FireFox or Opera ?

[Rix]

Firefox - because with the number of extensions out there it is incredibly customisable with as many or as few features as you want.

For example the gmail notifier and the sage rss reader from www.extensionsmirror.nl

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:blink: What, you mean opera cant get RSS news without ANY extensions? - heh, Talking about standard installations here, Opera is less in filesize (yeah sure its been compressed..whatever..). Opera includes Mail And IRC (Useless..yadayada, still smaller then firefox, and thats just a browser). You need to download extensions to make firefox be able to do what opera can do without any extensions.

Opera is faster then firefox, and IE, for me.

Erm, yeah you have to pay to remove the ads, but even if you dont, the ads only tiny.

'Opera --> 7.54

Firefox --> 1.0 Preview Release'

Erm, ok then, if Opera is so many builds ahead, why compare them?.

[Gulfisland]

I love Opera for most of my browsing.. I have an "open in Firefox" button in Opera for the few sites that dont load with opera.. mostly Gmail ( which is gonna work with the next release of opera ) and a few others...

I like both... but once opera works with 95% of webpages I will stick with it all the time...

just my 2c :)

[Rix]

I love Opera for most of my browsing.. I have an "open in Firefox" button in Opera for the few sites that dont load with opera.. mostly Gmail ( which is gonna work with the next release of opera ) and a few other...

I like both... but once opera works with 90% of webpages I will stick with it all the time...

just my 2c :)

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7.6 Preview, works with Gmail already :) (you can get it from the Forums.)

[Gulfisland]

7.6 Preview, works with Gmail already :) (you can get it from the Forums.)

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cool was wondering about that!

thanks

here is a few new things that are coming out with Opera7.6

Works with Gmail, loads even faster!!!

Latest Changes:

One of the first things you will notice when you start Opera is the ability to select whether to use Opera as an Internet suite or as a browser only

This release comes with a set of voice libraries that enable the user to control Opera by speaking commands to it

Opera 7.60 features in-line error pages, allowing you to continue to work if a page loading in the background gives an HTTP error

Created Medium-Screen Rendering (MSR), available by selecting "Fit to width" from the "View" menu

Edited October 23, 2004 by Gulfisland

[Elliott]

'Opera --> 7.54

Firefox --> 1.0 Preview Release'

Erm, ok then, if Opera is so many builds ahead, why compare them?.

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Because Firefox can do everything that Opera does, and Firefox isn't really even at 1.0 yet.

Face it, Firefox has the ability to customize that Opera can't even come close to. Since when were Extensions a bad thing? Makes it a lot easier for a beginning user to get around if he/she can navigate just the browser, then worry about adding whatever features they want. Makes a lot more sense than packing the thing with features that most people don't even use. Also, Opera's rendering engine doesn't come close to Firefox's. You'll find Firefox is able to display more sites correctly than Opera.

[Neil]

What about AOL ;-)

[jayfromtaiwan]

What about AOL ;-)

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IE-based

[Neil]

Indeed thats why it is so good!

[semifamous]

K-Meleon is better because it loads faster than either of them, still has tabs (called Layers instead) and other plugins, uses Gecko, is open source, and has a fast responsive interface based on windows widgets instead of XUL.

It's like the best of both worlds.

[Rix]

Because Firefox can do everything that Opera does, and Firefox isn't really even at 1.0 yet.

Face it, Firefox has the ability to customize that Opera can't even come close to. Since when were Extensions a bad thing? Makes it a lot easier for a beginning user to get around if he/she can navigate just the browser, then worry about adding whatever features they want. Makes a lot more sense than packing the thing with features that most people don't even use. Also, Opera's rendering engine doesn't come close to Firefox's. You'll find Firefox is able to display more sites correctly than Opera.

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Since when did i say extensions were a bad thing?.

Makes a lot more sense than packing the thing with features that most people don't even use.

Most people dont use Email? Ok, Irc, i can understand. Erm, may i ask, how long has mozilla been in development, you think there COMPLETLEY different rendering engines? Sure...

Maybe it dose display pages better, but not any pages that i visit, unless there completley IE Only.

[fobban]

I've been using Opera mostly, but tried Firefox a few times (different versions), and each time I've been switching back to Opera pretty fast.

Sure Firefox displays some pages better but there's no problem with the sites i visit most.

For me Opera is faster than Firefox plus imo it really SUX that you have to download plugins for tabbed browsing and mouse gestures, those really should be included in the installer.

The mail client in Opera is pretty neat, the IRC client I honestly don't know why it's there, rather useless (well you don't need to use it ;p).

For the sites Opera can't handle I use IE.

And for those comparing the version numbers.. geeeeez, how long haven't they been developing Mozilla?

[jack_canada]

firefox!

[Qarth]

I like Firefox because it's free and open source. But really, I used to be a dedicated IE user until I tried Firefox. great browser and te security makes me feel well, secure.

[biorK]

Because Firefox can do everything that Opera does, and Firefox isn't really even at 1.0 yet.

Does FF have speech-enabled browsing?

Does FF work with the very popular Gmail?

What you gotta understand is that Opera isn't only a web browser. It's a web browser and a e-mail client a IRC client etc. etc. (Features)

Face it, Firefox has the ability to customize that Opera can't even come close to.

What do you base that on? You can customize your Opera to almost anything you want..

Since when were Extensions a bad thing? Makes it a lot easier for a beginning user to get around if he/she can navigate just the browser, then worry about adding whatever features they want. Makes a lot more sense than packing the thing with features that most people don't even use.

How about packing everything in one, and you can use the features you want!? :o

You think Opera got the "Best Browser of 2004" because Firefox is better? Doesn't make any sense to me :rolleyes:

To the threadstarter, my advice is to test them both for about two weeks each.. test all your regular websites.. and surf around a lot. Choose the one that deserves it.

I'm sure you'll make the "right" choice ;)

[elliot]

Does FF have speech-enabled browsing?

Nice example of opera bloat. That's why a lot of people don't like it, nobody needs speech-enabled anything, other than in extreme cases.

But hey, I'm sure it's a nice novelty for, oh, at least 15 minutes!

Does FF work with the very popular Gmail?

Has done since I got gmail, can't be sure if it worked before then.

What you gotta understand is that Opera isn't only a web browser. It's a web browser and a e-mail client a IRC client etc. etc.

It's never going to be as good as three programs specialising though. Ever heard the saying, jack of all trades, master of none?

What do you base that on? You can customize your Opera to almost anything you want..

Open source. 'Nuff said.

How about packing everything in one, and you can use the features you want!? :o

How about having a basic browser that most people use, and let the minority download the extra stuff? I have zero extensions, it's still great.

You think Opera got the "Best Browser of 2004" because Firefox is better? Doesn't make any sense to me  :rolleyes:

Some random site says it's the best, it must be the best. In addition to "the best browser", they also said what was the best in about 400 different catagories. To be honest I can't imagine they went into great depth.

[Linkinfamous]

Also, for the speed thing, The processor optimized builds of firefox are a bit faster than the regular one downloaded from mozilla.org

[Rockett15]

:p

I have both of them on my comp, i primarily use Firefox tho.

I'm not saying Opera is bad, its rendering speed is impressive. it's the UI i don't really like, Firefox's UI is cleaner.

You can't really say Opera's UI is cluttered or "not clean" when you can pretty much customize it how you want.. that is remove practically everything

[Neil]

What you gotta understand is that Opera isn't only a web browser. It's a web browser and a e-mail client a IRC client etc. etc. (Features)

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Mozilla Suite is the same and free, that had e-mail and IRC. Now there is Thunderbird :)

[giga Veteran]

Firefox = Free with no ads. (Y)

[Rell]

The only problem I have with Firefox is its slow speed in loading Firefox.

[D0401]

The only problem I have with Firefox is its slow speed in loading Firefox.

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try an optimized build... i just started using an optimized build and my load times for the app are lower than the normal firefox release.

[caerma]

Opera all the way...

[D0401]

firefox all the way

[MrA]

Opera. Why? I guess it's just personal preference. I've used it for the past couple of years and have grown accustomed to it. It renders pretty fast, has tabs (firefox has as well) and has the middle clicky thingy (I'me sure FF has this too). It's standard's support is very good, much better than IE. The only problem I have with it is the load time. It take a couple of seconds to load, a tad bit slower than FF.

Another thing I like is it's customizability. Maybe it's not as good as FF, but I've got it the way I want. I've got 5 buttons on my bar, 3 of them are useless (back, fwd, new) which I can remove, but don't feel like it.

Oh, and I've used FF before and think it's a very good browser. It's open source, free, pretty quick, free, and did I mention open source? It's cross platform (as is opera). It's standards compliant (except for CSS2, but no browser is compliant, not even amaya). It's customizable and support extensions. There are lots of reasons to use FF. In then end, I guess it comes down to whatever floats your boat.

P.S. I've also use konqueror (KHTML) and it's pretty good as well. Not as good as FF and Opera.

[TmasterT]

firefox. why? because you can add wahtever you like. do i reallyneed a piece of bloatware taht can read email, do irc, take notes, etc etc? no i have mirc and outlook for that. ( which function better than their opera counterparts) i find its very fast although opera DOES have some nice featres