FireFox or Opera ?

[worbd]

Remember that Opera's available for mobile phones, while Firefox isn't... So memory use... Well... ;)

[greg098]

firefox is way better.

[Joey992]

no obsious effect??

I'd like you to run MSN Messenger, Paint Shop Pro 8, RealOne and Opera (besides the background stuff like the firewall and antivirus) with 512mb... then tell me if you don't feel the lag...

I monitor my mem usage every time a instal a new app. I like to use my memory efficiently. :p

(call me a geek or what ever, but I will allways do it)

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Geek. :D

[Toxicfume Veteran]

no obsious effect??

I'd like you to run MSN Messenger, Paint Shop Pro 8, RealOne and Opera (besides the background stuff like the firewall and antivirus) with 512mb... then tell me if you don't feel the lag...

I monitor my mem usage every time a instal a new app. I like to use my memory efficiently. :p

(call me a geek or what ever, but I will allways do it)

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Well, just to make as close scenario as possible to yours, here I am running Opera 7.6p2, photoshop cs, virtual pc(with windows xp on), windows media player and winamp...and guess what? Opera's responsiveness is perfect. And over system doesn't feel choked.(i got 512mb of ram too)

I feel it's pointless to bother about cause it has nothing more than a psychological effect. oh well...each to their own. :)

[Chode]

Umm, that memory leak in Opera was accidently introduced with version 7, and corrected by 7.54. There is also a user option to indicate how many megs of RAM to use as memory cache (reopen closed pages). :rolleyes:

[vcv]

yeah firefox, your fanboy here forgot to mention the barrage of webpages opera doesnt load properly

and youd be suprised how many things it doenst load properly you dontnotice but will screw you up

i was an opera user for years until i discovered the web with firefox, will NEVER go back

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Yeah? Show us some sites that don't load properly in Opera.

Bloat isn't how big the file is. It's how much crap that's packed into the software. Firefox just happens to have higher quality images and and less compressed stuff, so it's larger. Doesn't mean Opera has less bloat. Mac OS X is regarded by many to have less bloat than Windows, yet OS X is much larger than Windows in file size.

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No. I've compressed/uncompressed both Opera and Firefox. Firefox is simply bigger. It simply HAS MORE CODE. I can GUARANTEE that to you. More code and bigger size do not mean bloat. Poorly written code causes bloat.

no obsious effect??

I'd like you to run MSN Messenger, Paint Shop Pro 8, RealOne and Opera (besides the background stuff like the firewall and antivirus) with 512mb... then tell me if you don't feel the lag...

I monitor my mem usage every time a instal a new app. I like to use my memory efficiently. :p

(call me a geek or what ever, but I will allways do it)

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I'm running: mIRC, Photoshop, AIM, Visual Studio.NET, Visual Basic 6.0, Opera, MSN Messenger, rAdmin server, Google Desktop, editplus, Dreamweaver, and Outlook.

512 megs of ram on a 3.0Ghz p4 laptop. No noticable slowdown.

As far as customizability.. FF is more customizable if you don't mind editing the source. Otherwise, Opera is more. Have you people ever looked at how much you can modify the toolbars, menus, mouse gestures, and shortcut keys? COMPLETELY.

Edited October 27, 2004 by vcv

[aldo]

As far as customizability.. FF is more customizable if you don't mind editing the source. Otherwise, Opera is more. Have you people ever looked at how much you can modify the toolbars, menus, mouse gestures, and shortcut keys? COMPLETELY.

Bull****. Opera has _no_ extension system. In FF you can modify the entire UI in CSS and XUL (XUL is HTML like and CSS.. is well, the same as you use for styling your website), not to mention the amount of customization you can do by going to about:config in the location bar - far bloody more than Opera.

Personally I prefer uncluttered menus and sane defaults but with unlimited power when it comes to getting under the hood than some cluttered option menus where you cant find anything.

Sorry, but Opera's main weaknesses are that it has no support for W3C DOM until Version7, and even now it's pretty terrible in supporting most of the standard which makes writing powerful javascript hard (why do you think there is no spell checker in Gmail, and Gmail didn't work at all without a load of hacks), and very little extensibility.

PS: It would be much better if Firefox and Opera worked toghter instead of fighting. Fighting like this only helps IE, which I'm sure we all agree is something we don't want...

[Arkiri]

I have been using Opera for years now and not had a problem apart fom on Fileplanet. Which i use IE for, as Firefox cant use the in built download manager so both suffer on this site.

I like Opera and i think that is what it comes down to what you like to use.

[fekimoki]

FF, because we got no Opera sub forum :D

[d_ralphie]

firefox is too insecure for normal people:

http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?t=149844

unless you are a geek who knows how to read code, be careful when installing those extensions!

[ev0|]

There is no comparison. Firefox is and always will be, free, and Opera isn't. End of Story.

[DOGglee]

firefox :)

[vcv]

Bull****. Opera has _no_ extension system. In FF you can modify the entire UI in CSS and XUL (XUL is HTML like and CSS.. is well, the same as you use for styling your website), not to mention the amount of customization you can do by going to about:config in the location bar - far bloody more than Opera.

Personally I prefer uncluttered menus and sane defaults but with unlimited power when it comes to getting under the hood than some cluttered option menus where you cant find anything.

Sorry, but Opera's main weaknesses are that it has no support for W3C DOM until Version7, and even now it's pretty terrible in supporting most of the standard which makes writing powerful javascript hard (why do you think there is no spell checker in Gmail, and Gmail didn't work at all without a load of hacks), and very little extensibility.

PS: It would be much better if Firefox and Opera worked toghter instead of fighting. Fighting like this only helps IE, which I'm sure we all agree is something we don't want...

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Firefox's extension system does give it points, ill give it that.

But I'm talking about customization for the average user with the default install. With Opera, everything is there and customizing keyboard shortcuts, menus, interface.. is EASY. In firefox, it requires a bit more work.

[worbd]

Firefox's extension system does give it points, ill give it that.

Beware of potential security problems, though:

http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?t=149844

[javurn]

firefox is open source and thus super customizable right? but to take full advantage of that the majority of users must have a working knowledge of code and be able to write their own extensions etc for their own specifiied purposes. however, i think the normal joe sixpack user just dls these extensions which other people release. there is no big difference in ideology then downloading addons for MSIE/ or winamp.

opera on the other hand allows the user to customize pretty much anything minus the broswer engine, with no need to download/patch/code.

There is no comparison. Firefox is and always will be, free, and Opera isn't. End of Story.

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free-- and end of story? they gave out free pepsi vanilla down the street. that wasnt the end of the story for my stomach. there's no free lunch. somebody must have told you there is always an opportunity cost to anything free. time is the opportunity cost. and time is what i dont have to sit like a goof in front of my computer downloading and deleting extensions and figuring out that im working on a skeleton of a broswer with an average site rendering engine.

but opera, imo, really is different. but w/e firefox users should continue to use it, keeps the security/spyware issues on other less popular browsers down. if using firefox makes you feel smarter, then use it.

[wuzz]

IE :)

but if you have to choose then ff.

because it has more developers and fixers + bug reporters. and has less html rendering bugs.

but ff has dirty past (you remember netscape :)) :whistle:

[EduardValencia]

between these 2 browsers i choose firefox

being my #2 browser

:laugh:

[felixml]

1.Mozilla (install Browser only)

2.Firefox

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9. Opera

[KayMan2K]

PS: It would be much better if Firefox and Opera worked toghter instead of fighting. Fighting like this only helps IE, which I'm sure we all agree is something we don't want...

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It's competition. You could extend your argument, why not FireFox and Opera work together with Microsoft? I am not suggesting this. We just need competition to entice people to create bigger better things.

I prefer Opera, but have found times I need to use IE because FireFox nor Opera could render the page. I have had no other trouble with Opera, it is customizable enough for my tastes and very fast.

However, Opera and FireFox are fighting different battles. FireFox is 100% fighting IE on the Desktop. But Opera is fighting for the mobile devices also and offering innovative new features.

So for the Desktop, FireFox may actually be better.. but for some reason I just like Opera's simplicity.

[betasp]

I use Opera everyday. Not that I think it is better than FF, but I find it to be more intuituve and faster for MY needs. Try both, I have both installed but find myself always using opera.

PS. Call me crazy, but I actually own a copy of Opera (that is right, I paid then). I thought they deserved my money for making a good product that is fast and simple to use for my needs. The interface is faster on my computers, too.

[doubledragonxz]

Firefox for me baby, its FREE and has extensions what else you want?

[Farstrider]

Still the best: All the rest are crap! Maxthon :devil: :devil:

[Gersson]

Hmm. Opera crashes for me a lot.

[xp1ode]

I say opera, works great, takes way less memory than ff does on my comp, is faster than FF on my comp, and just overall the usability of it, no need to be looking for extentions and what not, everything is in it and the file dl is smaller than FF. i tried ff for about a month of 2 and didnt feel comfortable with it, but when 1.0 final gets out i'll give it another try just to see if is worth it, to see if it can actually perform as good as opera 7.6 becuase as of right now opera is just way better in every way... alot of people prefer ff becasue is free, well if you pay for opera you get what you deserve, free software is not the best just because the source gets worked on nby many people, but thats just my opinion of course....

[jmhnzax]

Opera is fastest for me ,i love it. :D

Edited October 30, 2004 by lotuis