FireFox or Opera ?

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y0sh

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Ok, I'm sorry. I didn't realize you use FF too.

I guess it's what you're used to. I can make firefox more effecient than Opera for myself. It's what you get used to and the way you use the browser. I've layed out my FF so that it's similar to IE because that's what I've learned to use effeciently. Its like Macs. I can't use them.. and I'm not a n00b by any means. For something that would take me 30 seconds on Windows, it takes me 2-5 minutes on a Mac.. but that's all due to familiarity.

I know you didn't TELL him to leave, but just saying "you could leave" can imply the same thing, you know? I'm not saying he's right, but he's entitled to his opinion at least.

True. Well if you feel that strongly about correcting the misinformation, then by all means go for it. I personally don't think it'll give Opera a bad image. I mean if someone is going to switch to FF or Opera, there is going to be a learning curve regardless, so I doubt a few things like that would sway their opinion. Actually the only thing that disgusted me with Opera were the ads - and I know I don't have to dish out a lot to get them removed, but I'd rather not have them. So, to each their own.

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Elliott

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Now lets make a new analogy using cupboards! Opera doesn't provide slots. Opera is just a big block of wood, and any plugins you actually want to use go on the outside, all jumbled up. Firefox, on the other hand, provides an infinite array of slots that can be filled with whatever the hell you want to fill them with. They fix into the design of Firefox so they're not a jumbled mess.

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dj'

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Opera all the way IMO. I've really liked Opera for a year or two now. I used Firefox for a few weeks but I really cant understand what all the fuss is about, to me i think Opera is much better, especially for tabbed browsing, as I have about 500 favourites, I couldnt live without it now ;)

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worbd

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I dont know how you can say that. I have Fx and Opera on a pII 450mhz and opera is slower than molasus on the north pole. I use Fx with no extentions and i can have 20+ tabs open without it slowing.

I find this extremely hard to believe. I'be run Opera and Firefox on a 400 MHz PC with 64 MB RAM, and Firefox was nearly unusable, while Opera ran fine.

It is a well known fact that XUL makes Firefox unsuitable for lower-end systems.

R1ck13, the Mac ports of both Opera and Firefox aren't the best, but my comparison does show that Firefox ports better to other OS's than Opera.

It most certainly shows nothing of the sorts. Just because Opera uses more RAM on your system doesn't mean that Firefox "ports better". This has got nothing to do with the portability of either program.

Also, in my opinion (this whole thing is about opinion anyways) the toolbars in opera are much too fat compared to FF.

How about trying Opera 8 before commenting?

the multi-engine search bar in the top corner of FF is nice and small and clean. Opera has to have one bar for each search engine you want.

So, you haven't actually tried Opera? The search field in Opera's address bar is a multi-engine search. Click the dropdown arrow and see for yourself.

and frankly, I dont like how I have to config opera to make the site think im using some other browser in order to make some sites work properly. All I have to do for firefox is install it and surf.

All I have to do with Opera is to install and surf. Ever tried reading Slashdot in Firefox?

That's so very true! I was an Opera fan until I failed to enrol in one of university courses before the due date.

(Long story: Opera kept said the server was unavailable or something similar and I couldn't access the required page.

"Server was unavailable"? Sounds rather vague to me. Sure you aren't making this up?

I warn you guys: not rendering webpages properly in Opera is a serious issue. It can affect your life! So make sure you browser critical websites using several browsers.

The same goes for any browser, including IE. If you set the settings too strictly, sites will fail to work. This is not an Opera issue.

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worbd

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Now lets make a new analogy using cupboards! Opera doesn't provide slots. Opera is just a big block of wood, and any plugins you actually want to use go on the outside, all jumbled up.

That is not true, actually. Opera has panels, ini files and other ways to plug both external programs into Opera, and to customize Opera to do things it doesn't do bey default.

Firefox, on the other hand, provides an infinite array of slots that can be filled with whatever the hell you want to fill them with. They fix into the design of Firefox so they're not a jumbled mess.

I guess you could say that Opera has shelves so you can put things on them. In Firefox, you have to add your own shelves. And extensions do conflict with each other and cause quite a bit of clutter, unfortunately.

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Michael_C

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How about trying Opera 8 before commenting?

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That is beta software, have you tried the latest nightly of Firefox?

That is not true, actually. Opera has panels, ini files and other ways to plug both external programs into Opera, and to customize Opera to do things it doesn't do bey default.

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But with Firefox it is far simpler, just click a link, click "Install" and restart.

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vcv

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That is beta software, have you tried the latest nightly of Firefox?
Betas != Nightlies. Betas are put onto the front-page for Opera. Preview Releases are available, but you have to look on the ftp or the forums. Firefox has RC's which are probably the same thing as Betas. Wouldn't you say it's fair to compare a Firefox RC to Opera? I'm going to guess yes.
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worbd

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That is beta software, have you tried the latest nightly of Firefox?

Wasn't this thread started while Firefox was just a beta?

But with Firefox it is far simpler, just click a link, click "Install" and restart.

You have to restart Firefox? Heh. I can switch Opera themes, etc. without restarting. Funny, that :)

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vcv

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Just found an interesting tidbit.

Google sites (search, news, etc) send Mozilla and IE pages compressed via gzip, but send Opera the pages uncompressed even though it can handle them compressed just fine. However, identifying as IE or Mozilla tricks it enough.

Some pages were 70k uncompressed and 15k compressed. That's a noticable difference sometimes.

I wonder how many other sites do this kind of thing?

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Chode

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Just found an interesting tidbit.

Google sites (search, news, etc) send Mozilla and IE pages compressed via gzip, but send Opera the pages uncompressed even though it can handle them compressed just fine.  However, identifying as IE or Mozilla tricks it enough.

Some pages were 70k uncompressed and 15k compressed.  That's a noticable difference sometimes.

I wonder how many other sites do this kind of thing?

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Not doubting you, but you got linkage to back to up?

You make me curious...I've been identified as Opera for a long time now.

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Elliott

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notice you don't have to restart opera to do a simple things like applying a theme?

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Yes, but themes aren't extensions. And you do realize how little themes customize Opera in comparison to Firefox, right? Firefox themes are much more in depth. You can do a lot more with Firefox themes because of the power of CSS.

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vcv

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Not doubting you, but you got linkage to back to up?

You make me curious...I've been identified as Opera for a long time now.

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Don't need a link. Go to any google side and open the info panel. Look at the byte sizes. Load each page twice, once as opera, once as mozilla or ie.

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vcv

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Yes, but themes aren't extensions. And you do realize how little themes customize Opera in comparison to Firefox, right? Firefox themes are much more in depth. You can do a lot more with Firefox themes because of the power of CSS.

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Actually, they're about the same. Show me a theme in firefox that has something Opera can't do.

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