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Well, if you are looking for a warrior or a paladin I'll offer my experiences with a pally. And the "needed" classes are all based on what server you play on, so it's really a factor.

I have never rolled a warrior so I'm not even going to comment on it. I know the class, but I'll share my personal experience with my pally.

I am Horde, and used this guide here: http://<< spam >>/yutv8d for my builds, leveling, etc. (It's for a Prot spec pally) I thought it was really fun to level with. It's not 1-button fighting, that's for sure.

I could take down mobs with 8 people beating the crap outta my pally while I laughed and took them all down, having more than 1/2 my life available at the end of the fight. Now, starting off, you really have to get into a pattern and know the seals, judgements, auras, etc. in order to be effective. But man, I thought it was really fun being prot spec. And it never gets old having an audience of people (alliance in my case) look at you and start to laugh until they realize that you pulled 8 people to fight on purpose and beat all of them to the ground without bubbling.

Then I got to Outlands and I couldn't stand it. Since most people on my server hate prot pallies (since none of them seemt o be able to tank worth a damn) I specced to more of a shockadin build. That was ok, but only if you had the gear for it.

I grouped more in Outlands than anywhere else because I would basically stalemate fights unless I was fighting undead or demons, where pallies have a nice dps advantage. The dps isn't high enough to take people down quick, so if you can't beat a healer down in time, he'll continously heal the other enemy that is beating on you while you are trying to kill the caster. Then he'll heal himself, rinse and repeat. You won't lose any life, but you can't burn them down quick enough with that spec. That was my findings anyway.

I'm now the main healer for my guild and only need help when in Kara or something larger than a 5 man heroic. Then I grab our druid healer and we own!

But I really thought the paladin was fun to play with. I'd honestly roll another one and do it again with the same build spec. I had that much fun doing it. BUT, you have to be ok with not having high dps...and funny looking ears. This is a build that makes you very hard to kill, so you have to give and take with the build.

[+orgitnized Subscriber¹]

Are mages easy to pvp with though? They seem to break at any damage.

If you know your mages they are absolutely phenomenal. We get nailed at Tarren Mill all the time. About 8 alliance 70's think it's fun to come runnin' on in to destroy the place.

I get on with my healadin, another in my guild (shadow priest in blues) and this mage

Fae Victus is a fantastic guild on my server. In my opinion, one of the best I've seen or had the pleasure of playing with.

We can take on all their 70's with Sunfire doing so much damage it's absolutely incredible. I laugh until I cry at the amazement when we have done it in the past. Now, you can blame the other alliance characters as being n00bs or whatever you want. Point is, he absolutely owns, whether they bring in shamans, druids, warriors, etc.

He absolutely obliterates them. He has the gear for it, but man - just like a good shadow priest...they can really beat you down. Most of the clothies that I play with (that are very good with their characters) get whispers from warriors and other plate-wearing classes in amazement when they get owned in duels or PvP like "I'm dead already!? WTF?!" Glass cannons, but gear definitely helps out.

Both Mages and Rogues are arguably the best DPS classes in the game. I had Tmoney shred me to pieces in oh....10 seconds maybe? Yeah, I'm not geared like him, but the damage is incredible.

[CUBBYJR2005]

wait for the deathknights class that may change your opinions on the warriors and pallys lol.

Edited January 24, 2008 by CUBBYJR2005

[Prosidius]

I rolled a Warrior, he's progressed 3/6 SSC, 1/4 TK. If you roll a warrior you'll be asked to tank. Warriors are the primary tanking class no matter what anyone says. I leveled my toon via the arms tree which is PvP. Was he a pain to level? Yes, it was a nightmare. You die alot and you cant heal yourself. However the leveling pays off at 70 when you have the most HP(I stand at around 15.2K unbuffed), your OPed in PvP and it requires a 10 man raid to take you down.

[Phunkbutt]

I am currently playing a with the Horde on a Level 64 Enhancement Shammy. . . as I near 70 I was looking for information on how people feel about 70 Shamans in PVP and if Enhancement is the way to continue.

Additionally any other websites with information regarding PVP and Shamans would be well received.

Ty,

Phunk

[CUBBYJR2005]

I rolled a Warrior, he's progressed 3/6 SSC, 1/4 TK. If you roll a warrior you'll be asked to tank. Warriors are the primary tanking class no matter what anyone says. I leveled my toon via the arms tree which is PvP. Was he a pain to level? Yes, it was a nightmare. You die alot and you cant heal yourself. However the leveling pays off at 70 when you have the most HP(I stand at around 15.2K unbuffed), your OPed in PvP and it requires a 10 man raid to take you down.

true but pallys are taking over the warriors class even if you disagree and say its warriors not be takening over. Truth is pallys are becoming more and more popular even though I agree with you that warriors are the main tanks and should be.

[Prosidius]

Yeah I dont mine pallys tanking. It makes it easier. I ran heroic SH w/ a pally tank a few weeks ago and he made the instance ezmode.

[the evn show]

I notice a lot of talk about "the way things are". Class X must spec Y. Nobody wants to do Z with class/spec A, B, or C.

Some classes/specs are more desirable than others but In the raid game you can justify just about any class with a PVE spec: the only thing that can really hamper your success is access to gear that make your spec choice viable.

For the record:

• Frost puts up competitive DPS when you have access to Tier 6.
  
• An ideal raid will at most 1 holy priest, the others should be shadow.
  

[CUBBYJR2005]

guys what do you think of the deathknight class and what deathknight class do you want?

[SMELTN]

guys what do you think of the deathknight class and what deathknight class do you want?

What do you mean by what deathknight class we want? Deathknight is the class, do you mean what race of Deathknight?

Deathknight itself will probably be alot of fun, since its a warrior/pally/warlock combo. Will probably be extremely overpowered at first and have to be nerfed like most classes, but I am interested to see how it will play out.

I am kinda iffy on the "everyone can be one" though. I think it needs to be a special unlock for a warrior/pally/lock myself, like a higher Tier level of the exsisting class, since thats what Archmages are, etc.

[Emorex]

Wow, thanks for all the superb info. Ya, I think warrior is out of the picture, now my choices are Mage or Paladin. I am leaning towards paladin because I can do more than DPS while with mage I have a feeling it will be a 1 button class (frostbolt or fireball with fireshock).

Thanks for all your help.

What do you mean by what deathknight class we want? Deathknight is the class, do you mean what race of Deathknight?

Deathknight itself will probably be alot of fun, since its a warrior/pally/warlock combo. Will probably be extremely overpowered at first and have to be nerfed like most classes, but I am interested to see how it will play out.

I am kinda iffy on the "everyone can be one" though. I think it needs to be a special unlock for a warrior/pally/lock myself, like a higher Tier level of the exsisting class, since thats what Archmages are, etc.

While I do agree with you on the lore aspect, I don't think it's fair if some people cannot get access to a brand new class, with new skills and everything. It would make more sense if all classes got "epic" or higher tier versions.

[SMELTN]

all classes WILL be getting higher tier versions.. This is just the first in the Heroic Class, blizz said long ago they want to add a a ton of heroic classes to the game, and if someone wants to be a deathknight, then go level one of the classes it takes to unlock it.

I mean come on you seriously want the main tank Deathknight in your end game guild to be some random mage that doesn't know the FIRST thing about tanking, or aggro or anything else? I mean when you unlock deathknight they start at level 40 NOT level 1, so you don't get the full idea of leveling the toon and learning it.

[Emorex]

So? You do realize a new full class, with over 100 skills is kind of unfair to only a group of people. I mean c'mon, what makes you special just because a few of you decided to roll a warrior on the first day. If you expect blizzard to do what you are saying, they better release a higher tier version for all the other classes as well. I am not waiting 3-4 years while few of you are on another tier.

[Kasandoro]

I've read DeathKnights will begin at or around level 58...I'll see if I can find a source.

[the evn show]

I mean come on you seriously want the main tank Deathknight in your end game guild to be some random mage that doesn't know the FIRST thing about tanking, or aggro or anything else?

No, but I wouldn't want a warrior, druid or paladin that can't play to be the main-tank either.

There was a time when I didn't know a damn thing about even basic group play. I took notes when I first started playing, I'll try to find them so you can see how laughably wrong some of my observations were.

mean when you unlock deathknight they start at level 40 NOT level 1, so you don't get the full idea of leveling the toon and learning it.

I think most of the content between the starter zone and outland can safely be skipped. You don't really learn a hell of a lot between the two: it's mostly practice of the things you learn in the first 10-20 hours of play.

The only thing that you don't really learn is how to raid (vs 5-man party). Molten Core used to serve as the 'welcome to end-game' instance but there's no reason to go there any more. With Naxx being re-released as the intro to raiding zone the major gap for new-character progression will finally be plugged.

NINJA EDIT:

I finally scraped together enough to get a flying mount for my mage. It took a while but my girl's all grown up.

LF9M: kara.

Edited January 24, 2008 by the evn show

[CUBBYJR2005]

yes what deathknight race and class warrior or hunter or lock or etc.I know it unlocks at 58 and think it starts off for the locks first or pallys or warriors not all races and class will have the deathknight class open to all. I think there slowly do one class and race at a time per a patch or etc.

[the evn show]

yes what deathknight race and class warrior or hunter or lock or etc.I know it unlocks at 58 and think it starts off for the locks first or pallys or warriors not all races and class will have the deathknight class open to all. I think there slowly do one class and race at a time per a patch or etc.

That's incorrect. The ability to create a deathknight will be unlocked for your account after completing a quest at level cap. Details were provided at

.

They plan to offer additional 'hero classes' in the future but haven't said anything with respect to their future plans, dates, names, abilities, etc.

[CUBBYJR2005]

oh

[abulfares]

I have technical question: how well does WoW run on Macs (iBooks and iMacs)?

im playing it on Windows and wondering how it would perform on a mac (if I get one) without DirectX?

[the evn show]

im playing it on Windows and wondering how it would perform on a mac (if I get one) without DirectX?

It runs flawlessly on the current generation iMac/Macbook pro/Macbook Pro with all options maxed. Playable—barely—on macbooks/mac mini/macbook air. Raiding on the low-end machines isn't really an option on one the framerate drops to the single digits, but you can solo-quest and run 5-man content easily enough.

[abulfares]

^^ thnx alot for the info; so iMacs or Macbook Pros are the way to go in my case

[Emorex]

evn, what are your main characters and how much do you enjoy them? Also I assume you are mainly into PvE over PvP?

[the evn show]

evn, what are your main characters and how much do you enjoy them? Also I assume you are mainly into PvE over PvP?

I don't want to say too much, but my main is a priest (COH) and my alt is a mage (Arc/forst).

I focus on PVE now, prior to 60 I did the honor grind to 99% through rank 10 - I quit because I couldn't really dedicate 30-60 hours a week to getting high warlord. After that I started casual progrsesion PvEing and made it into nax/aq before expansion.

My priest logs in almost exclusively to raid or do daily quests to pay for raiding (I'm writting this post between trash-pulls in BT now). I really dislike pvp on him now because I have neither the spec nor gear to be competitive, and I don't have the time to farm it either. I spend 90% of my time playing this character.

My mage is currently pugging battlegrounds for 'welfare epics' and it's fun. I prefer pvp on her for a number of reasons, not the least of which is not being expected to babysit badly-geared warriors that think they're gods gift to pvp.I enjoy playing on her but I'll probably never raid on her (unless you count karazhan) for the same reason I don't pvp on my priest: no time.

If I was retired and had nothing else to do I'd play both characters in PVE and PVP, both are fun in their own right. I prefer PVE on the priest and PVP on the mage but that might just be a function of gear/spec.

[Spookie]

• Frost puts up competitive DPS when you have access to Tier 6.
  
• An ideal raid will at most 1 holy priest, the others should be shadow.
  

- Oh right only tier 6? ;/

- While I prefer druid and pally healers, most guilds starting out won't get the choice of having loads of shadow priests.

[the evn show]

- Oh right only tier 6? ;/

For some reason I was specifically thinking of how 2/5 T5 + MSD + LC made arcane worthwhile. With changes to the frost talents a PVE spec should be competitive with fire (?3-5%).

- While I prefer druid and pally healers, most guilds starting out won't get the choice of having loads of shadow priests.

Maybe this has to do with when we started raiding? Our priests mostly went shadow before patch 2.1 (between being out classed by paladins, stupid-easy access to best-in-slot items, and the awesomeness of VT+VE it was an easy choice). Most of them have stayed and those that don't typically work out a roll-swap with one of the holy priests that wants to take a break from healing.

It's also much easier to find a geared shadow priest: Tailoring + AH + badge + welfare epics = tier 6 ready (more or less). A holy priest still requires raid loot (IMO) to be competitive in tier 6 content.

Edited January 25, 2008 by the evn show