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[the evn show]

http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=505&Itemid=38

I still don't know what it does, maybe you'll have better luck understanding.

The conclusion looks like "AHCI helps on SandForce drives, doesn't matter on others". So I guess in our case the nerd advice is right: you have to enable it.

Still, yours does seam really slow, I'm not really sure why.

I have PC for warcraft only - every other thing I do is on a mac of some kind (imac/macbook pro). I don't care much for Windows and dont' really have a good explanation of why it's slow or how to fix it, and I don't really have a good background in how to fix it either. I just pick nerdy looking guys with microsoft stickers around the university when I need help. It's a stereotype, but damnit, it works.

Also, Chog'all at 0.5%, tank repairing gear right now.

[treemonster]

seems kinda slow, what kind of drive did you get?

Some controllers are apparently really slow (jmicron, indlix(?)) some are really fast (intel, sandforce). Yours looks like it's about half as fast as mine.

Some of that is addons - you've got carbonite i think, and probably a few more than me but that shouldn't make it that slow.

Mine's a RAID-0 set of SSDs but IMO the performance between the raid and single SSD wasn't noticable at all.

Do you have AHCI turned on for your SSD drive? that makes a huge difference. I don't know what it does, but some nerds at school practically crapped on my head when I told them I wasn't using it.

yeah i set up AHCI before i installed the drive. i do have some heavy add ons like carbonite though. i have it plugged into the normal intel controllers on my x58 motherboard. but it's below my hdd sata plug in.

it's still faster than the hdd, i just thought it would be faster.

also my hardcore stutter in org issue wasn't fixed like i thought it might be.

[Tharp Daddy]

So, i've finally stepped into the world of keybindings. I've managed for 5 years without them, and since i always used healbot on my main healer i never really had a need. But since I've been playing my Rogue alt i decided to set them up and WOW they make a huge difference. It was so clunky at first that i kept thinking "there is no way i'm going to remember/get good at these!" but, what do you know, within 2 hours i was wrecking my way through BGs. Does anyone happen to know of an addon/fix that will stop the error messages like "not enough energy" from playing more then once? It's gets damned annoying.

[treemonster]

i don''t think there is a fix for that.

and welcome to keybindings. if you find you can't get enough spells bound, consider an n52 with it's 6 thumb buttons to further increase your skill usage speed.

and just think, now you can stop keyboard turning too! XD

[Got3n]

So, i've finally stepped into the world of keybindings. I've managed for 5 years without them, and since i always used healbot on my main healer i never really had a need. But since I've been playing my Rogue alt i decided to set them up and WOW they make a huge difference. It was so clunky at first that i kept thinking "there is no way i'm going to remember/get good at these!" but, what do you know, within 2 hours i was wrecking my way through BGs. Does anyone happen to know of an addon/fix that will stop the error messages like "not enough energy" from playing more then once? It's gets damned annoying.

there are addons that will hide error text, you can find them on Curse.com, also i know of one that i used to use called error monster but it hasnt been updated since Nov 1 so its out of date.

[the evn show]

within 2 hours i was wrecking my way through BGs. Does anyone happen to know of an addon/fix that will stop the error messages like "not enough energy" from playing more then once? It's gets damned annoying.

ErrorFilter lets you block specific errors like not enough energy, not in range, etc. and leave others like invalid target.

[Lyric]

I actually started playing again a few weeks day, pretty hardcore as well. PvP has never been more fun, hehe.

logged 60+ hours this week alone so far.

[YounGMessiah]

I got two ten days passes, PM if interested.

[Tharp Daddy]

I'm beginning to think more and more that a raiding guild is not for me. I want to experience the raids, as to never do them is to leave out a large part of the game, but it's too time demanding. I don't want to grind heroics over and over to get geared for a raid, and once i get into said raid i don't want to sit there for 5 hours banging my head against a wall so we can get further progress. I would like to experience the fights when they are fun and not "progress fights", not when it's a hours long process of people ****ing up over, and over. I would like to experience the PvP side of things, but every time i log on it all i hear from GM or officers is "raid ready, heroics, progress" etc. I find myself having more fun with duels outside Org then i did with Bastion of Twilight.

I'm thinking of dropping off the grid and restarting on a PvP server, i want to try to get into a guild that raids and makes progress, but also PvPs. I know this is most likely a impossible dream, and i hate to leave behind the guild and the people i enjoy, but damn i can't stand the grind. My gm likes to throw the term "Casulul" around lately, but after talking to an old officer of the guild, who has been demoted to Guild Social, has says it's the best thing that's happened to him for the enjoyment of the game. He said "I got **** tired of being forced to show up tons of nights per week from 8:30 till 12, having to spend every moment of my online time focusing on raids. Now i just do whatever the hell i want, and i enjoy every minute of it." The thing is i was in this same guild back in 07 and i quit the game for a bit suddenly. The GM of my guild is not exactly a calm dude, so if i did dissapear again it would most likely use up the last chance. So if i make this move it would be for good, because if i attempted to split my attention between the new server and old no doubt he would begin bitching at me for not acting like a raider. So, should i do a total restart, and not get caught in this grind? Or just stick it out, as once the ball gets rolling on raiding things will calm down? Wow that was a wall of text, anyone have opinions on this?

[enigma-penguin Veteran]

@ruran

There are guilds who raid that are more casual and this is probably more to your taste. They take a longer time to get going at the start of a given tier, but once they get going it's at a slower and steadier pace. Start asking around on the server about casual raiding guilds or even the realm boards and you wont have to move too far.

[Tharp Daddy]

@ruran

There are guilds who raid that are more casual and this is probably more to your taste. They take a longer time to get going at the start of a given tier, but once they get going it's at a slower and steadier pace. Start asking around on the server about casual raiding guilds or even the realm boards and you wont have to move too far.

Eh, i feel like moving on from my server. I've always enjoyed PvP and i think a PvP server would be very fun to play on. I know the people on my server, and.. well.. i'm mostly tired of them. The only large scale progress on our server is between two guilds that are Dark Pact, and Stay On Target. I think it would be cool to try playing alliance this time, as in the 5 years of playing the game i have yet to play alliance. PvP on my server is dead, and our battlegroup for instances and battlegrounds is absolutely horrid. We have Warsong which is the "Official Brazilian server", and a bunch of other servers which are just as horrid. I can't think of a single battle ground I've been in recently that the horde has actually won. In typing this i've really gotten down to what I'm really feeling. Logging in is feeling more like a chore than something that is going to be fun. The game, as is, has lost most of it's entertainment value for me. I want to try a total restart to see if playing it more casually can bring back the entertainment, because if it doesn't then i will have no problems quitting since i know it would not suddenly leave my guild high and dry.

[the evn show]

but it's too time demanding. I don't want to grind heroics over and over to get geared for a raid

So don't. Find good players with a "Skill > gear" attitude and start raiding now.

i want to try to get into a guild that raids and makes progress, but also PvPs. I know this is most likely a impossible dream

Many of the people in my guild have gladiator alts in an alliance-side guild. Some people left to play there exclusively, some (including the gm) still hang out horde side for alt runs and raid/PVP alliance side. Our new main tank (replacing one going away to grad school) is from there - and others come and go as their real lives and schedules change. xoxo was roughly half-done with current normal mode raid content which is pretty respectable for a guild that focuses on PVP and the average arena rating is over 2000. There's nothing special going on, it's a matter of finding like minded people and building a social circle.

He said "I got **** tired of being forced to show up tons of nights per week from 8:30 till 12, having to spend every moment of my online time focusing on raids

It sounds to me like he was doing it wrong. The whole point of being in a "hardcore" raid guild is that you only have to sink 100 hours into learning content once. If you only care about being "reasonably competitive" you can get by with 8 hours per week. If you look at 'bosses killed this week': the difference between me and a priest in the #55 US guild - 1 boss. Between top-100 world-wide: 2 bosses.

If you're prepared to spend 1 football game worth of time playing each week then you can clear end-game raids on hard mode. If you want to progress at the same rate as the top-100 guilds in your region: well, I'm doing that averaging about 6 hours per week (due to holidays, deaths in the real world, etc) though we intended to spend 9 hours.

would like to experience the fights when they are fun and not "progress fights", not when it's a hours long process of people ****ing up over, and over.

Transfer to shadowmoon and I'll sell you a tourist run. We probably need a few more weeks before we could 9-man the current raids but by the end of the month I think it'd be reasonable.

For me the fun part of raiding is learning new encounters. I got to spend the 85% of my time doing a fun and challenging boss encounter (whatever we're working on), 10% of my time in a corpse run chatting with friends forming strategy/analyzing mistakes/improving how we play, and about 5% clearing trash. When you break it down like that, it's a pretty awesome way to blow a couple of hours.

[treemonster]

if you're dead set on transferring consider evn's or smeltn's servers and guilds. i think you'd have better time on either of those places. having played vindictus with smeltn i know he is very cool and laid back to play with. we got through some decent content in that game togehter and he was always very cool about wipes and such. not that vindictus was exactly wow level challenging. it was good times though for sure. :D you seem to want to do pve mainly but if you decide pvp might be your thing i always welcome regulars to pvp with me. i onlyrage occasionaly and mostly at myself/ the opponenet(omfg ****ing shamns and healer classs that can dps and heal themselves OMFG). my guild is planning to raid too, but i have doubts about that.

ps HAPPY NW YEARS to all my wow pplz.

got a tb win and my robes and a waist upgrade tonight. plus some enchants and gems. think i'm going to need to slow down the honour grind soon and get back to grinding gold. down to like 2.5k

otherwise 1.8k res does make a difference as well as 100k hp as a mage.i am living longer in fight in bg's and able to to do more stuff. not quite able to get away yet though(mainly from warriors and persistent rogues)

[Got3n]

Woot finally my dailies paid off!

[Ambroos]

Woot finally my dailies paid off!

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Grats! I'm still pretty far off, and I think I'm going for the wolf first... I don't really like the coloring on that drake :p

[treemonster]

btw anyone using win 7 x64 and getting bsod's in wow? ive been getting a few lately(last couple weeks) and a guildie mentioned he was getting bsod's and though it might be win 7 x64

[Slane]

btw anyone using win 7 x64 and getting bsod's in wow? ive been getting a few lately(last couple weeks) and a guildie mentioned he was getting bsod's and though it might be win 7 x64

I'm fine here.

[treemonster]

i figured it might have something to do with a hotfix conflicting with my hardware.

i guess if i really wanted to troubleshoot it i could disable restart on bsod and track down the error code.

anywyas, what's better for farming gold? normal 5mans or world quests?

i tried doing the dailies in tol borad but it didn't seem like it gave a fair amount of gold, and i died too often to mobs alone(they hit hard and have miss chance of players it seems-though i have 4.2% hit now)

[Tharp Daddy]

So don't. Find good players with a "Skill > gear" attitude and start raiding now.

Many of the people in my guild have gladiator alts in an alliance-side guild. Some people left to play there exclusively, some (including the gm) still hang out horde side for alt runs and raid/PVP alliance side. Our new main tank (replacing one going away to grad school) is from there - and others come and go as their real lives and schedules change. xoxo was roughly half-done with current normal mode raid content which is pretty respectable for a guild that focuses on PVP and the average arena rating is over 2000. There's nothing special going on, it's a matter of finding like minded people and building a social circle.

It sounds to me like he was doing it wrong. The whole point of being in a "hardcore" raid guild is that you only have to sink 100 hours into learning content once. If you only care about being "reasonably competitive" you can get by with 8 hours per week. If you look at 'bosses killed this week': the difference between me and a priest in the #55 US guild - 1 boss. Between top-100 world-wide: 2 bosses.

If you're prepared to spend 1 football game worth of time playing each week then you can clear end-game raids on hard mode. If you want to progress at the same rate as the top-100 guilds in your region: well, I'm doing that averaging about 6 hours per week (due to holidays, deaths in the real world, etc) though we intended to spend 9 hours.

Transfer to shadowmoon and I'll sell you a tourist run. We probably need a few more weeks before we could 9-man the current raids but by the end of the month I think it'd be reasonable.

For me the fun part of raiding is learning new encounters. I got to spend the 85% of my time doing a fun and challenging boss encounter (whatever we're working on), 10% of my time in a corpse run chatting with friends forming strategy/analyzing mistakes/improving how we play, and about 5% clearing trash. When you break it down like that, it's a pretty awesome way to blow a couple of hours.

Do you primarily play horde or alliance on your server? Also, you say 6 hours a week or what not, do you do that all in one night? I'm not looking to play past 11ish as I'm an early riser. Your server is a PvP server, so that seems great. I'm not sure if my GM was doing anything wrong, but i just found nothing fun in wiping over and over on the first boss in Bastion.

[the evn show]

Do you primarily play horde or alliance on your server? Also, you say 6 hours a week or what not, do you do that all in one night? I'm not looking to play past 11ish as I'm an early riser. Your server is a PvP server, so that seems great.

Our intention was to raid 3 nights a week for three hours, starting somewhere between 8:00 and 8:30 and ending when we run out of content, trash respawns, or it gets later than 11:30: whichever comes first. Real life issues have cut that down to 2 nights a week but that should clear up with the holidays ending. There aren't any attendance requirements and it's more of a "hey friends, lets kill internet dragons" thing so it's hard to be more precise than that. If you really want to see PVE content without working through it, we've been selling gear, mounts, and titles for years and I'm sure I could arrange something by the end of January.

We used to have a pretty solid "Alt/Pug" community among, I'd guess around 100 people successfully doing hard mode ICC one day a week. Nobody is running one of those yet (as far as I know) but I expect they'll start up fairly soon. There are a number of active guilds on the server doing both 10 and 25 man raiding. Horde side is pretty miserable for PVP, alliance apparently has it pretty good.

I'm not trying to recruit, I'm just saying it's entirely reasonable to play at a high-ish level without major time commitments provided you find people with similar goals. You only need 9 friends now, that's not hard to come up with.

'm not sure if my GM was doing anything wrong, but i just found nothing fun in wiping over and over on the first boss in Bastion.

Wipes are telling you that you're doing something wrong. He's got no mechanics that are tricky so either your strategy is wrong, you've got a completely busted raid setup (3 tanks, 1 healer?), or you've brought people that are playing poorly. If you've got enough gear to get past his trash then you should be able to kill him. If you know why you're wiping but aren't making progress: thats your player's fault. If you don't know why you're wiping, that's leadership's fault. If you're wiping but making steady progress: that's what you're supposed to be doing, you're earning the knowledge you'll need to one-shot the place next week.

[treemonster]

unfortunately that's raiding for most raid guilds ruran. banging their heads on teh brick wall until the wall breaks.

tbh it's the reason i don't raid(aside from raiders hating people who go afk every 45 minutes)

[Tharp Daddy]

Our intention was to raid 3 nights a week for three hours, starting somewhere between 8:00 and 8:30 and ending when we run out of content, trash respawns, or it gets later than 11:30: whichever comes first. Real life issues have cut that down to 2 nights a week but that should clear up with the holidays ending. There aren't any attendance requirements and it's more of a "hey friends, lets kill internet dragons" thing so it's hard to be more precise than that. If you really want to see PVE content without working through it, we've been selling gear, mounts, and titles for years and I'm sure I could arrange something by the end of January.

We used to have a pretty solid "Alt/Pug" community among, I'd guess around 100 people successfully doing hard mode ICC one day a week. Nobody is running one of those yet (as far as I know) but I expect they'll start up fairly soon. There are a number of active guilds on the server doing both 10 and 25 man raiding. Horde side is pretty miserable for PVP, alliance apparently has it pretty good.

I'm not trying to recruit, I'm just saying it's entirely reasonable to play at a high-ish level without major time commitments provided you find people with similar goals. You only need 9 friends now, that's not hard to come up with.

Wipes are telling you that you're doing something wrong. He's got no mechanics that are tricky so either your strategy is wrong, you've got a completely busted raid setup (3 tanks, 1 healer?), or you've brought people that are playing poorly. If you've got enough gear to get past his trash then you should be able to kill him. If you know why you're wiping but aren't making progress: thats your player's fault. If you don't know why you're wiping, that's leadership's fault. If you're wiping but making steady progress: that's what you're supposed to be doing, you're earning the knowledge you'll need to one-shot the place next week.

Sounds just like a guild i'm looking for, i sent you a message.

Yeah, i'm not sure what our problem was. I feel it was our DPS not being geared enough, and it did not help many people were having connection problems. The whelps were not dieing fast enough, we got him to around 20% before he enraged. Not to mention it was an unplanned 25 man, so we kinda took who we could get. This meant a large chunk of undergeared people (including myself, i was only 342 ilevel), and some DPS who were sub par.

[the evn show]

This meant a large chunk of undergeared people (including myself, i was only 342 ilevel), and some DPS who were sub par.

The DPS requirement in 25 man is about 15% higher than 10-man - mostly to account for the additional raid buffs and higher margin of error allowed. In both cases you're going to need DPS doing somewhere in the realm of 17k raid-buffed DPS which is around 9k unbuffed when you factor in raid buffs, bloodlust, and the bonus from whelps.

We killed Chimaeron last week, we're so cool!

Boring to watch, fun to play once it's clear that "your last 10k HP are your own responsibility, don't expect the healers to save you".

There first 80% is butt-clenching as you look at your raid frames and see your tank at 1 HP with a mob that hits for 300k) and the

last 20% are pretty funny as he just goes to town nomnomnoming your raid.

[Tharp Daddy]

The DPS requirement in 25 man is about 15% higher than 10-man - mostly to account for the additional raid buffs and higher margin of error allowed. In both cases you're going to need DPS doing somewhere in the realm of 17k raid-buffed DPS which is around 9k unbuffed when you factor in raid buffs, bloodlust, and the bonus from whelps.

We killed Chimaeron last week, we're so cool!

Boring to watch, fun to play once it's clear that "your last 10k HP are your own responsibility, don't expect the healers to save you".

There first 80% is butt-clenching as you look at your raid frames and see your tank at 1 HP with a mob that hits for 300k) and the

last 20% are pretty funny as he just goes to town nomnomnoming your raid.

Is that you recording? The games looks like it's running at constant 60 fps, while in a raid, and recording the video in HD. I'm using a nvidia 460, and my framerate drops to around 30 in 25 mans with max graphics, if i tried to record HD video at the same time it would slow to a crawl.

[the evn show]

Is that you recording? The games looks like it's running at constant 60 fps, while in a raid, and recording the video in HD. I'm using a nvidia 460, and my framerate drops to around 30 in 25 mans with max graphics, if i tried to record HD video at the same time it would slow to a crawl.

Hardware isn't anything special: i760, 8 GB ram, radeon 6870. Warcraft runs from a raid-0 set of SSD drives, and I record to a pair of cheap western digital drives in raid-0.

I have v-sync turned on because I hate tearing, and I'm probably recording at 60 FPS so it doesn't make sense to try and play higher than that because fraps will just throttle

your frame rate anyway.

The only thing that sucks about that setup is that you burn about 4 GB per minute of video.