An Awsome Honda

[xxkrnxstylezxx]

and 150lbs wont make up for 17hp and 22tq thwn the civic still has to wait longer to make that power

'04 S2000 registered 0.89 g  <---my damn escort can get a .93 wtf and a SVT focus will get a .89

handle my ASS

the 99 Si will rev to 8,000 but will still lose to a Escort ZX2 S/R that only reves to 6500, high rpm doesnt mean much. honda just tries to make up for tq.

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150 pounds will definitely make up for 17 horsepower. It'll only be like 10 hp to the wheels.

You seem to rate everything by the specs. Skidpad basically measures how well the tires grip. S2000 has a slalom speed of 71miles while the STI has 73 and Evo8 70.7. And you can't doubt that the STI or Evo's are awesome at handling. You think your escort can handle better than a S2000?

High RPM means you can keep pulling while the other car has to shift. I think Hondas are well designed. It's amazing how much power they can pull out from such a small engine.

[DarkMindsProject]

150 pounds will definitely make up for 17 horsepower. It'll only be like 10 hp to the wheels.

its 17hp and 22 tq hP isnt eveything if it was then why would a 99 zx2 s/r have 17less hp then a 99 Si? about 32tq thats y

You seem to rate everything by the specs. Skidpad basically measures how well the tires grip. S2000 has a slalom speed of 71miles while the STI has 73 and Evo8 70.7. And you can't doubt that the STI or Evo's are awesome at handling. You think your escort can handle better than a S2000?

higher exit speed then a c5 vette, guess vettes dont handle well?

High RPM means you can keep pulling while the other car has to shift. I think Hondas are well designed. It's amazing how much power they can pull out from such a small engine.

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ok so um why doesnt the 99-00 or 02+ Si have a better 0-60 then a zx2? car w/ 30hp less and has to shift shft at about 5800? they both run 7.2

It's called gearing the zx2 can hold 2nd gear till 60mph, the Si has to shift to 3rd

and for the record the 127hp Civic EX is concidered a joke to both the 130hp focus and the 130hp Escort why? because the fords have tq

[Frank]

I think what most people are thrown off is you are comparing a Honda to a BMW or a Mercedes. They are in two different classes. I would say the Legend was probably the high end car of the Honda series back in 91, wouldn't you? Well why not compare the Legend to the top end BMW of 91? You think the legend would top that car? Now I know you gonna come out with the "price" argument but that just proves my point. You Cannot compare two different classes of car to one another and expect to get a fair response.

It is like comparing a Honda Civic (Honda's Low end Car) to a BMW 3 series. It just doesn't work. It all comes down to a persons preference. You like your Legend and that is fine but personally I think it is ugly and that is my preference.

I also don't understand where you are getting these figures about the reliability of BMW's. I have a 1995 BMW M3 with 180,000 miles. You could tell it was getting tired but it ran great. I got it with 90,000 and at that point car was beat to hell. All four rims were bent, the suspension had been tweaked, the flywheel was shot, the clutch was burnt to hell and it looked like the fluids hadn't ever been changed (not sure about the oil). Even after all that abuse she lasted for almost another 100,000 miles until my brother decided to shift from 5th to 3rd doing 85mph down the interstate.

[xxkrnxstylezxx]

its 17hp and 22 tq hP isnt eveything if it was then why would a 99 zx2 s/r have 17less hp then a 99 Si? about 32tq thats y

higher exit speed then a c5 vette, guess vettes dont handle well?

ok so um why doesnt the 99-00 or 02+ Si have a better 0-60 then a zx2? car w/ 30hp less and has to shift shft at about 5800? they both run 7.2

It's called gearing the zx2 can hold 2nd gear till 60mph, the Si has to shift to 3rd

and for the record the 127hp Civic EX is concidered a joke to both the 130hp focus and the 130hp Escort why? because the fords have tq

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Not sure what you're saying on the first sentence. Well, obviously the escort has a higher exit speed since it's so much lighter. I never said higher RPM was for 0-60, I'm talking about real track, not drag. Obviously, bigger displacement means more torque. And the focus and the ZX2 are more performance oriented than the Civic, and will probably be considered a little better than the Civic stock. Civics are not meant to be track cars stock. They're made as cheap, economic cars to get you from point A to point B with little amount of fuel or trouble. Focus or the ZX2 are just a bit more sporty and IMO do not have the same target as the Civic. But, I still think it is a very close race and will depend on the driver. Similar skill drivers in both cars will probably have similar results.

I know pretty much nothing about Fords tho, so I'm not sure. Seriously tho, I don't think Hondas are junk. Different cars from Honda have different purposes for different people. THey are made to fulfill that. I believe a Honda S2000 will beat a similarly priced Mustang in a real track (not talking about 0-60 or 1/4). I just don't see why you say Hondas are junk. I think they have great engineering and technology. I don't like domestics but that doesn't mean they're junk.

Edited March 8, 2005 by xxkrnxstylezxx

[LUTZIFER]

Hmmm, looks nice and in great shape and all, but I don't think Honda and Awsome go together, lol, but that may just be my opinion.

[ximian]

God that car is ugly

[DarkMindsProject]

Obviously, bigger displacement means more torque. And the focus and the ZX2 are more performance oriented than the Civic, and will probably be considered a little better than the Civic stock. Civics are not meant to be track cars stock. They're made as cheap, economic cars to get you from point A to point B with little amount of fuel or trouble.

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the S/R and svt focus both make more tq then the new 2.0 Civic Si. and i compaired the (1999)13k ZX2 to the (1999)17k Si, you cant say the Si isnt aimed performance.

so you basicly said that its ok for a (2002)13k car that Ford itself didnt even support to be on the same performance level as a (2002)19k sport compact? The Si wasnt designed with the same objectives as the EX or LX trims.

[xxkrnxstylezxx]

Ah, well first of all, I haven't driven either cars so I'm just saying all this from info I read. But I think that the Si is much more capable than the escort. Close ratio transmission to make it a better track car, stiffer suspension, tighter cornering ability, and all that crap. The SVT Focus and the Si are competing against each other, so they are very likely. I think they have the same acceleration (SVT may be barely faster, but again - driver's race IMO) and similar handling abilities. I've heard that the Honda has a smoother transmission and engine tho. They're both worthy competitors and very similar in performance and reliability. I think they're both great cars. However, I think the escort just has the same engine/speed as the Focus. It's probably not as refined, comfortable, reliable as the SVT or Si. If I was looking for a cheap car tho, I'd probably go for the Civic just because of their heritage and well-known reliability vs. the escort.

[DarkMindsProject]

the SVT and ZX2 S/R will beat a 02+ Si in both autoX and drag the lower powered ZX3 base model will also beat the Si in drag and only lose by a narrow margin in autoX

1/4 specs(assuming a good driver)

Focus ZX3 - 16.0 - $14,000

Escort ZX2 - 15.7 - $13,000 (fastest car under 20k till the 99 Si was released)

02+ Si 15.7 - $19,000

SVT Focus - 15.3 - $18,000

99-00 Si - 15.4 - $18,000

ZX2 S/R - 15.4 - $17,000 (was released in 99 and 00 but never tested for official numbers as it was a VERY limited run)

for the record i have seen more Si owners screw up their cars then ZX2 owners

[Athlonix]

Bottom line here mate,

Your Honda is nice, Personally I hate it to hell cos you've got all many of parts on it, that don't look stock and it's fugly racer mobil to me, it's an executive car, treat it like one. + those rims sux0r.

don't compare it to a BMW or a Merc, and tbh a car from back in the 90's had roughly the same spec in that "type" of car.

price aside, I wouldn't want it, Jap cars are renowned for the amount of plastic on the interior, there artifical carperts, no whool, or cotton here, and fake wood surrounds.

it's your car and fair enough you like it, but don't expect to come on here, and everyone to big you up. Even if you had a Nissan Skyline R34, there would still be people saying they'd prefer a Dodge Viper. I have a BMW 318iS I love it, but I know people won't say sweet car...

if I were you i'd stop trying to seek peoples approval, and just get out there and drive?

sorry for being harsh, if i am but seriously, there are better cars out there, and probably better performance, live with it.

heres a test

here's a picture of my BMW lets see how many people love it,10 ten replies after this post, and draw a conclusion from it. i'd ask anyone who posts after this to rate my car,in the name of this test.

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[VGVL]

here's a picture of my BMW lets see how many people love it,10 ten replies after this post, and draw a conclusion from it. i'd ask anyone who posts after this to rate my car,in the name of this test.

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I think that's a pretty sweet car. I would give it a 7.5/10. But then again, any car that isn't European doesn't score higher than a 2 in my book. I love BMWs, the E36 was very nice for its day even though I do like the E46 better and I am looking forward to seeing an E90 in person so I can draw my conclusion, I'm not good at judging cars by pictures.

[DarkMindsProject]

except for the 318, i'd take any BMW over an Acura

[berz]

Like any other form of art, car designs are completely subjective. I, for one, will never understand why some people absolutely drool over the *aesthetics* (performance notwithstanding) of cars such as the Impreza WRX, Lancer Evo, Sklyine..etc. They all seem dull, cheap, and even tacky as far as I'm concerned, yet people flock to them. I always thought that a high performance car should look, well, high performance - not share the same body platform as a grocery fetcher. Ultimately, though, it is to each his own.

[Ultomato]

except for the 318,? i'd take any BMW over an Acura

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the 318? whats wrong with the 318 its a nice coupe/hatchback whatever it is

the 1 series are gonna kick ass

[giantsnyy]

Ah, well first of all, I haven't driven either cars so I'm just saying all this from info I read. But I think that the Si is much more capable than the escort. Close ratio transmission to make it a better track car, stiffer suspension, tighter cornering ability, and all that crap. The SVT Focus and the Si are competing against each other, so they are very likely. I think they have the same acceleration (SVT may be barely faster, but again - driver's race IMO) and similar handling abilities. I've heard that the Honda has a smoother transmission and engine tho. They're both worthy competitors and very similar in performance and reliability. I think they're both great cars. However, I think the escort just has the same engine/speed as the Focus. It's probably not as refined, comfortable, reliable as the SVT or Si. If I was looking for a cheap car tho, I'd probably go for the Civic just because of their heritage and well-known reliability vs. the escort.

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well i know i've been known for honda bashing (see my previous posts) but if i were given a choice between the SVT focus or the Civic Si, i'd take the civic. Yes, i've test driven both, and yes i do drive a focus as my daily driver but when i test drove the civic it did feel more comfortable than the focus and it wasn't as rough (my 2.0L Zetec engine has a very rough idle). The only thing i could never get used to is the console mounted shifter. Its just awkward. I hope they fix that in the new Si. As much as I love my car I admit it has many problems (i.e. my suspension just decided to 'go' on me the other day, as well as my wheel bearings). I love how my focus beats little ricers with their DX and EX civics who think their cars are super super fast with their dual exhausts and 10" high spoilers.

I mean... i've said some really stupid things in this thread, and i stand corrected on those. I shouldn't say i hate hondas in general... i just hate ricers with a passion. Anyways, i was given the ability to drive a legend coupe in a stick the other day. I was needless to say, quite impressed, so i must say to the thread starter you have a nice car.

edit: BMW's are sweet cars but... in my town they're so over abundant. Almost everyone has one so they're kinda eyesores now. It is fun however to see the occasional M3 driving around (theres this really nice bright green one which has an air ride suspension).

[DarkMindsProject]

how about that the 318 is slow as crap, its as big as a joke as the Benz C230 Kompressor. May carry a nice name but both lose to 13k cars in the performance area.

For the idle of the Zetec just put on FordRacing wires, and a coil and it disapears. just plugwires on my Zx2 made a very noticable difference.

do you have a regular Foci or a SVT?

[MR_Candyman]

how about that the 318 is slow as crap, its as big as a joke as the Benz C230 Kompressor. May carry a nice name but both lose to 13k cars in the performance area.

For the idle of the Zetec just put on FordRacing wires, and a coil and it disapears. just plugwires on my Zx2 made a very noticable difference.

do you have a regular Foci or a SVT?

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See, there's more to the mercedes and the bimmer than performance. If you don't realize that, you've never driven one. I'll be the first to admit they don't have the engine power cheaper cars have, but they're more expensive for the build quality, the independant suspension, materials for the inside, paint, etc.

[Athlonix]

mines a 318iS which means it's more powerful than a 318i

and yes it's not fast but i'm 21 and the insurance is still stupid money 1,300?

[DarkMindsProject]

See, there's more to the mercedes and the bimmer than performance. If you don't realize that, you've never driven one. I'll be the first to admit they don't have the engine power cheaper cars have, but they're more expensive for the build quality, the independant suspension, materials for the inside, paint, etc.

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my friend has a c230 Kompressor, i thought it was a total POS it handeled for **** and i could take it in a line w/o any problem with a stock escort. It wasnt even comfortable.

1/2 the damn car said "daimler chrysler" on it

[giantsnyy]

how about that the 318 is slow as crap, its as big as a joke as the Benz C230 Kompressor. May carry a nice name but both lose to 13k cars in the performance area.

For the idle of the Zetec just put on FordRacing wires, and a coil and it disapears. just plugwires on my Zx2 made a very noticable difference.

do you have a regular Foci or a SVT?

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regular zx3

[nmeu]

i dont know about that beemer but i'd take that girl in your sig for a ride........ haha... j/k nice tho!!! :omg:

[DarkMindsProject]

regular zx3

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teh SVT has a pcm usprade that should smooth the idle out more.

but on a regular zx3 get a scream'n damon coil and ZX2 FR plug wires it makes a huge diff.

(you need zx2 wires cuz the coil is made for the zx2 but sold for the zx3 and has different terminal connectors)

[Sharque]

Bottom line here mate,

Your Honda is nice, Personally I hate it to hell cos you've got all many of parts on it, that don't look stock and it's fugly racer mobil to me, it's an executive car, treat it like one.? + those rims sux0r.

don't compare it to a BMW or a Merc, and tbh a car from back in the 90's had roughly the same spec in that "type" of car.?

price aside, I wouldn't want it, Jap cars are renowned for the amount of plastic on the interior, there artifical carperts, no whool, or cotton here, and fake wood surrounds.?

it's your car and fair enough you like it, but don't expect to come on here, and everyone to big you up.? Even if you had a Nissan Skyline R34, there would still be people saying they'd prefer a Dodge Viper.? I have a BMW 318iS I love it, but I know people won't say sweet car...

if I were you i'd stop trying to seek peoples approval, and just get out there and drive?

sorry for being harsh, if i am but seriously, there are better cars out there, and probably better performance, live with it.

heres a test

here's a picture of my BMW lets see how many people love it,10 ten replies after this post, and draw a conclusion from it. i'd ask anyone who posts after this to rate my car,in the name of this test.

First off the Bmw's r wayyyy too popular and has nothing "special" to it. My car is mostly stock exepct for some cosmetic things like rims ect... I havent touched the engine yet... and seriously take a look at the merc's and bmw's from 1990's they arnt that sophisticated or refined and needed constant servicing to keep em running. Even if i did not own this car i would have still posted it here simply because its a unique car from its era!

I'd Agree with you if you called this BMW "cool" but every thing else looks so mundane and boring!

[Jason]

My car is a Honda Civic Type R

2 litre - 200 BHP 0 to 60mph in 6.6 seconds and top speed of 147mph (all this from a 2 litre car and standard)

Picture for illustraiton purposes but mine is identical.

[Tobb555]

Yeeze that pics huge