Busted for bittorrent!

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I got an email From telus because i got caught downloading a really OLD movie from eMule which i couldnt find anywhere. But it was just a warning, i stick to free porno now :ninja:

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Head on over to giganews.com or easynews.com and poke around. For a very small monthly fee you can download gigs of legal stuff.

I have used both GigaNews and EasyNews....Currently I am in love with EasyNews global search feature.

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w33zy

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Its a scare tactic if the ISP can't tell you what you downloaded. Its possible that someone on your ISP is using it heavily and you were just one of many that were contacted.

If you're ISP doesn't contact you again, then you are ok, but again its not illegal to use BitTorrent, because of some of the stuff being shared through it, like the Neowin supported AutoPatcher. I know the developers rely heavily on BT to get it distributed.

In Holland such information (is still) regarded private, but with the amount of available bandwidth to customers and the current piracy problems in the world even I think it won't be long before software transactions are monitored and filtered by 'heavy users'.

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yeah but we can download every how much i can ^^

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lol ISP'S don't like heavy downloaders even if its legal files after all they have to pay for bandwidth the more you use the connection the less profit they make

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Heh they hate me right now, I decided last month I was going to try every linux distro :ninja:

I did not read all the pages here, but j0j081 I was surprised to read that you told your parents what was going on, since your dad had no idea what the guy was talking about you could have just acted like you did not either. That you told them means you are willing to be accountable for your actions (Y)(Y)(Y) In the world we live in not many people do that.

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isnt it invasion of privacy if the isp logs what you download?seriously

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Umm.. No. You are paying to use THEIR hardware!

They are legally liable if you do something illega using their hardware and they do nothing.

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1.? Do you think someone in accordance with the DMCA is on to me and sent my ISP a letter telling them to warn me about downloading stuff?

2.? Do you think my ISP (alone) is using scare tactics to get people like me to stop using file sharing completely even though they haven't been asked by any outside authority?? Obviously it would be pretty easy for them to monitor what I'm doing online.

3.? My ISP told my dad to remove bittorrent from any of our computers it was installed on...What if we were using it for LEGAL purposes?? Would they still track what I was doing and think it was illegal just becaue it is bittorent?? I have downloaded free/shareware on bittorrent before.

4.? I don't want any trouble so I'm not going to download anything more for the time being BUT what are the chances I'm gonna get charged with something for what I've already done?? I downloaded a few apps like I said no music or movies.

5.? What the hell is everyone else doing and why was I warned?????

Thanks for reading through that and I hope you guys/gals will be able to settle me down a bit.

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1. I dunno if the DMCA is after you, but I'd be careful just in case.

2. Your ISP could be using this as scare tatics, however I don't think they would come after you unless you use more bandwidth than most ppl in your area.

3. They shouldn't tell you to remove BT b/c there are many cases where it is legal and actually helps companies save bandwidth.

4. Usually they give you a warning but it depends on how bad your case is.

5. Use the SafePeer plugin (blocks bad ips and RIAA etc) and use Azur:)s! :)

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morficus

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this whole thing is just a scara tactic...

if they can not pin point what, when and from where you where downloaing... it is all just bull...

I got warned from my ISP back in Febuary, for using DC++. I got busted 'cause I left it up and in the same channel for about 30 - 35 hours..... and I was sharing NFS....:no:... so that was my mistake (spend the weekend out, and left my PC on...)

but yeah... just stay away from BT for about 40 - 50 days.... they usually get rid of you log after 25 - 30 days.

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BTW.. for every one doesn't know... DMCA = Digital Millennium Copyright Act.

it's an anti-piracy law - not an org. as some my think ;)

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just look at my sig - and support the movement! :p

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Trojanman

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Time to pay the piper.

Hope you have a couple of grand saved up when you go to court.

It's good to know thieves are finally getting caught stealing.

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bkellner

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These companies only take legal action against people who share a large database of pirated software. I've only ever heard of them to take legal action against p2p portals and filesharers with large shared databases. With bittorrent, you are most likely safe since your sharing only what you are downloading.

Think of it this way, they are out to make money. If they find one person with 2 files shared, and another with 500 files shared, and another downloading 50 files. They can say:

500 files shared to 1000 people, that is 500,000 copies.

2 files shared to 1000 people, that is 2,000 copies.

A guy downloading 50 files, that is 50 copies.

Which would they make more money off of per copy illegally transfered? Plus, with bittorrent they don't know how many illegal files you have on your computer. Unless they got lucky and caught you downloading on multiple torrents from multiple trackers, they are to consider you a 'one-time offender' - they have no proof of anything else.

Why sue over one illegal file? This is why you hear about them attacking people who share thousands of files on kazaa, or going after big bittorrent trackers, but never hear about a guy who only had two illegal songs downloaded.

It costs them money to take you to court, it costs them money to consult their lawyers, would it really be worth it to them to try and tackle EVERYONE who is only caught downloading one file?

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This is only my point of view based on what I've heard from multiple sources. I don't recommend filesharing regardless of how anonymous you feel you are. The best way not to get caught is to not break the law.

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My take on the whole p2p issue is pretty pragmatic - but if you usually don't like what I say here, then you can just hobble forward to the next post :whistle:

Given:

1. P2P, in and of itself, is not illegal. It's a purely legitimate service, protocol and use of the Internet.

2. Filesharing of music files, movies and software has been deemed illegal by the courts and copyright protection & industry agencies.

I frequently use p2p software on more than one system at one time in my home office; however, you won't find me sharing any files of popular musicians/artists, current movies that have not been on broadcast television, or current software titles. The whole answer to this issue is using P2P software responsibly, in a manner consistent with driving a car; It's not illegal to drive a car if you are "of age" and have a valid driver's license, but it is illegal to drive a car in a manner which is against the law (speeding, driving recklessly, DUI/DWI, etc).

A prime example: My sons discovered the old "My Favorite Martian" TV show from the 60's starring Bill Bixby and Ray Ralson, which IMHO was the basis for the worst film that Christopher Lloyd has ever appeard in. They enjoy slapstick comedy, and shows like this an "F-Troop" have them splitting their sides on the weekends. The show is currently playing on The AmericanLife TV Network ( AmericanLife TV ), but they want more episodes, so I'm currently downloading any episodes I find via WinMX. For myself, I have become hooked on "Ghost In The Shell: Stand Alone Complex" anime series ever since I saw the original movie and the series started showing on Cartoon Network's "Adult Swim" show CartoonNetwork's Adult Swim, so I've been downloading episodes from that show as well.

:yes:

The trick to using P2P networks and software is this: DON'T DOWNLOAD OR SHARE ANYTHING POPULAR! Fly under the radar and download & share content that would be difficult to obtain in any other manner, including going to the store. I've downloaded some fascinating NASA footage reaching back from the Mercury program all the way through to ISS footage. I've downloaded excellent F-22 & F-35 video as well (I'm an Aviation buff as well), and even dowloaded some Christmas music from The Mormon Tabernacle Choir last Christmas.

There IS a valid use for P2P - just don't abuse it by downloading or sharing stuff that one could buy at the store with alot less money than you would be fined if you were found to be sharing & downloading "highly visible" content.

This is only some of my mental meanderings, but this is what I would like to propose:

1. a 20-year moratorium on filesharing content such as movies and music - meaning that if the content you're downloading and/or sharing is 20 years old or more, then it's legitimate for it to be shared and downloaded on P2P Networks. If it's younger than 20 years old, then it's prohibited.

2. If a movie, film or video has been shown over "Broadcast" TV (not Cable) - meaning on TV Channels that can be received via TV Antenna and not Cable or Satellite - then it is free to be shared and downloaded on P2P Networks.

3. In regards to software: If the software downloaded is more than 5 versions old or older than 10 years old and is no longer sold or supported by the manufacturer, then it is free to be shared and downloaded on P2P Networks.

That's just my 2.7kb worth...

--ScottKin

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Krpano

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If i was you i should not stop using BT Clients, because its totally legal.

Just be carefull with what you dl for a while.

In case you get in real trouble, deny everything...since you use wireless router, say that someone could be loggedin into your network without your knowledge.

I have my bt client working 24/7, but im not sharing anything illegal.(not actually :shifty: )

Im still seeding some free documentary DVDs, and im sure my ISP must be ****ed about the traffic i create. :laugh:

I really want to get for all money i spend in high speed conection.

At the end ISPs enjoy a lot this kind of sharing thing....because its why they win so much money....why would you need an expansive high speed conection to only browse the web ?

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Jojo81

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I am living at home with parents like I said. If I had my own ip address from the same ISP but under my name and I was caught one day would my parents be liable?

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JiveMasterT

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Time to pay the piper.

Hope you have a couple of grand saved up when you go to court.

It's good to know thieves are finally getting caught stealing.

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and it's good to know that trolls are finally getting assaulted with trout.

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j.r.l.

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1.  Do you think someone in accordance with the DMCA is on to me and sent my ISP a letter telling them to warn me about downloading stuff?

2.  Do you think my ISP (alone) is using scare tactics to get people like me to stop using file sharing completely even though they haven't been asked by any outside authority?  Obviously it would be pretty easy for them to monitor what I'm doing online.

3.  My ISP told my dad to remove bittorrent from any of our computers it was installed on...What if we were using it for LEGAL purposes?  Would they still track what I was doing and think it was illegal just becaue it is bittorent?  I have downloaded free/shareware on bittorrent before.

4.  I don't want any trouble so I'm not going to download anything more for the time being BUT what are the chances I'm gonna get charged with something for what I've already done?  I downloaded a few apps like I said no music or movies.

5.  What the hell is everyone else doing and why was I warned?????

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1. It's possible. But if not, check if the ISP states it monitors stuff you download because I don't think it is legal to do so. If they didn't get a notice, they usually don't check your stuff. Use PeerGardian next time.

2. It is possible but if they haven't been asked, I do not think it's legal, you could check that with someone who knows more than me about US laws... I think it goes with the DPA, Data Protection Act... Google for it.

3. Your ISP can't dictate you what to do. It is legal to use BitTorrent. It's not more illegal then using a web browser. As always, it's illegal to download copyrighted stuff without authorization (license stuff...). Use PeerGardian next time ;)

4. Chances? Unless your ISP is comparable to Microsoft, they can't do anything, the judge will laugh at their faces :yes:

5. We use PeerGardian and you were warned because your ISP didn't want to get in trouble and it is their responsability to warn you... (if it was asked by some authority)

You shouldn't worry about it. By the way, it is legal to download (in Canada) but it is forbidden to upload.

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I am living at home with parents like I said.  If I had my own ip address from the same ISP but under my name and I was caught one day would my parents be liable?

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if you're not I would assum 18, than yes...

and yes, thank heavens that I live in Canada...:laugh:

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