Happy Indivisble Day Everybody

[Borg77]

This is so pathetic. Now we are going to change everything. I can see it now where 'In elmo we trust' on the dollar bill.

Read this article. Jesse Ventura isn't running again as governor and then he signs this stupid proclamation since he has nothing to lose.

http://www.twincities.com/mld/pioneerpress/3595354.htm

Gov. Jesse Ventura's proclamation of the Fourth of July as "Indivisible Day" in Minnesota, an order sought by an atheist group, has upset the secretary of state and others who see it as a slap at religion.

There you go folks. Tell me what you think.

[tomwarren Veteran]

Lol what a ********

[aem4162]

Religion deserves to be slapped. It has caused more pain and suffering on this planet than any disease or war ever could.

People need to stop trying to force their religion on those of us who prefer to have our own beliefs. The Catholic Church executed those who did not believe what they were supposed to in the Middle Ages. They went on Crusades to the middle east to "convert" people and those who didn't convert were executed or put under siege and starved to death. Too many people died that way. Now we have Islamic extremists doing what they can to make the world believe in THEIR god and way of thinking and living and they do it by terrorism.

I've had people tell me what my life would be like if I didn't accept god and jesus and all that sh*t. Ya know what? My life is just fine the way it is without that trash. I have my ups and downs but I know that the only way I can get through it is to believe in myself and my abilities.

I always have to laugh when somneone says that god will help them get a job or a car or go to the bathroom, or when they say it was "god's will" if something bad happens. RIGHT. If the people who believe that crap would only take responsibility for what they do and what happens to them, they wouldn't need god because they are relying on themselves instead.

:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

anita, who thinks Jesse V is ok

[Keldyn]

Originally posted by aem4162

Religion deserves to be slapped. It has caused more pain and suffering on this planet than any disease or war ever could.

People need to stop trying to force their religion on those of us who prefer to have our own beliefs. The Catholic Church executed those who did not believe what they were supposed to in the Middle Ages. They went on Crusades to the middle east to "convert" people and those who didn't convert were executed or put under siege and starved to death. Too many people died that way. Now we have Islamic extremists doing what they can to make the world believe in THEIR god and way of thinking and living and they do it by terrorism.

I've had people tell me what my life would be like if I didn't accept god and jesus and all that sh*t. Ya know what? My life is just fine the way it is without that trash. I have my ups and downs but I know that the only way I can get through it is to believe in myself and my abilities.

I always have to laugh when somneone says that god will help them get a job or a car or go to the bathroom, or when they say it was "god's will" if something bad happens. RIGHT. If the people who believe that crap would only take responsibility for what they do and what happens to them, they wouldn't need god because they are relying on themselves instead.

:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

anita, who thinks Jesse V is ok

I could not have said it better myself. I live just fine without "god" thankyou very much.

[aco Veteran]

What's the point? I don't understand why people who aren't religious make such a fuss about God being mentioned here and there. :s

[LVirus]

Originally posted by aem4162

Religion deserves to be slapped. It has caused more pain and suffering on this planet than any disease or war ever could.

People need to stop trying to force their religion on those of us who prefer to have our own beliefs. The Catholic Church executed those who did not believe what they were supposed to in the Middle Ages. They went on Crusades to the middle east to "convert" people and those who didn't convert were executed or put under siege and starved to death. Too many people died that way. Now we have Islamic extremists doing what they can to make the world believe in THEIR god and way of thinking and living and they do it by terrorism.

I've had people tell me what my life would be like if I didn't accept god and jesus and all that sh*t. Ya know what? My life is just fine the way it is without that trash. I have my ups and downs but I know that the only way I can get through it is to believe in myself and my abilities.

I always have to laugh when somneone says that god will help them get a job or a car or go to the bathroom, or when they say it was "god's will" if something bad happens. RIGHT. If the people who believe that crap would only take responsibility for what they do and what happens to them, they wouldn't need god because they are relying on themselves instead.

:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

anita, who thinks Jesse V is ok

OMG! .. err OMC .. Oh my Creator or sumthing :)

This text is awesome! Just the way I think about it! And so damn true! This text has bring hope to me that there is intelligence in usa after all :)

[TimeRider]

Of all the people on Neowin I have the unique distinction of not only being a resident of the State of Minnesota, where Mr. Ventura is Governor, but also being a resident of the City of Brooklyn Park where Mr. Ventura was Mayor. I can carry that distinction even further because I am employed by the City of Brooklyn Park as well and have met Mr. Ventura on numerous occasions.

Having qualified myself by first hand knowledge of Mr. Ventura I can say without reservation that he is a hypocrite.

Mr. Ventura is an opportunistic individual who has used his office for personal financial gain. He has damaged the dignity of the office of Governor. His name isn't even Jesse Ventura, it's Jim Janos and he grew up in South Minneapolis yet claimed to be from California for the benefit of his "Pro" wrestling career. He claims that he was a Navy SEAL, but there is little evidence to verify that. he claims to have served in Vietnam, again with little evidence to back up his claim. As a Mayor, I once saw him ask a citizen to "step outside" when the citizen disagreed with Mr. Ventura's position. He was a bully.

I have seen him take credit for lowering the crime rate in our City, when his only contribution was having his picture taken for the magazine cover. He completely failed to acknowledge the efforts of the Citizens groups and Police Officers who worked hard to change the trends in our City.

When Mr. Ventura was elected, he made promises to the people of Minnesota . . . promises he later broke again and again. He traveled the world under the guise of State business but accomplished little. He took office with huge supluses and our State is now struggling to make up the deficit. He was elected by young voters mostly college students who flocked to the polls in record numbers to vote for Jesse, only to find their tuitions raised and their athletic programs cut. He cut aid to local education systems so drastically that many were forced to cut programs and close schools.

He has managed to alienate almost every group that put him in the Governor's office. He did little to find middle ground with the legislative branch of government . . . it was his way or no way. His son held parties in the publicly owned Governor's mansion and the staff had to clean up vomit and chase sleeping drunks, many under legal age, out of the public areas of the mansion so that primary school children could take their tours. He declared one day in January to be "Rolling Stones Day" so he could attend a concert in an official capacity when the Attorney General informed him that it was illegal for him to accept free tickets. Bear in mind this man is a millionaire.

He is a liar. He is a fraud. He is nothing more than a face and a personna. He is a Politician in the worst sense of the word. As far as I am concerned, he can take his indivisible day and stick it where the sun doesn't shine. November will not come soon enough for me so we can take our leave of him.

I must say though, his wife is one of the kindest most genuine people I have ever had the pleasure to meet.

JMHO

-TR

[IgwanaRob]

Originally posted by Borg77

This is so pathetic. Now we are going to change everything. I can see it now where 'In elmo we trust' on the dollar bill.

Read this article. Jesse Ventura isn't running again as governor and then he signs this stupid proclamation since he has nothing to lose.

http://www.twincities.com/mld/pioneerpress/3595354.htm

There you go folks. Tell me what you think.

Anyone who thinks it "as a slap at religion." is a stupid schmuck who should take their whiny PC liberal arse the hell out of this country. I'm sick of all these mindless PC morons trying to ruing this country with their hypocritical BS. Stop trying to force your damned religion down other people's throats. Today is July 4th, the day this country decided that we were free to decide what religion we wanted to follow, if we wanted to follow one. So stop trying to bypass that fact by forcing your religion into everyone elses desicions, especially when they religion wasn't part of them in the first place!

Jessie ain't a politician, he's a real American. He doesn't lie, cheat, or run political scams, and he tells things they way they are - Deal with it!

[TimeRider]

Jessie ain't a politician, he's a real American. He doesn't lie, cheat, or run political scams, and he tells things they way they are - Deal with it!

Fine . . . you can have him. Invite him to NY to run for Governor, if there's a buck to be made he'll come.

-TR

[Apollo]

Originally posted by aem4162

Religion deserves to be slapped. It has caused more pain and suffering on this planet than any disease or war ever could.

People need to stop trying to force their religion on those of us who prefer to have our own beliefs. The Catholic Church executed those who did not believe what they were supposed to in the Middle Ages. They went on Crusades to the middle east to "convert" people and those who didn't convert were executed or put under siege and starved to death. Too many people died that way. Now we have Islamic extremists doing what they can to make the world believe in THEIR god and way of thinking and living and they do it by terrorism.

I've had people tell me what my life would be like if I didn't accept god and jesus and all that sh*t. Ya know what? My life is just fine the way it is without that trash. I have my ups and downs but I know that the only way I can get through it is to believe in myself and my abilities.

I always have to laugh when somneone says that god will help them get a job or a car or go to the bathroom, or when they say it was "god's will" if something bad happens. RIGHT. If the people who believe that crap would only take responsibility for what they do and what happens to them, they wouldn't need god because they are relying on themselves instead.

/me applauds

[BananaMan]

Originally posted by aem4162

Religion deserves to be slapped. It has caused more pain and suffering on this planet than any disease or war ever could.

People need to stop trying to force their religion on those of us who prefer to have our own beliefs. The Catholic Church executed those who did not believe what they were supposed to in the Middle Ages. They went on Crusades to the middle east to "convert" people and those who didn't convert were executed or put under siege and starved to death. Too many people died that way. Now we have Islamic extremists doing what they can to make the world believe in THEIR god and way of thinking and living and they do it by terrorism.

I've had people tell me what my life would be like if I didn't accept god and jesus and all that sh*t. Ya know what? My life is just fine the way it is without that trash. I have my ups and downs but I know that the only way I can get through it is to believe in myself and my abilities.

I always have to laugh when somneone says that god will help them get a job or a car or go to the bathroom, or when they say it was "god's will" if something bad happens. RIGHT. If the people who believe that crap would only take responsibility for what they do and what happens to them, they wouldn't need god because they are relying on themselves instead.

:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

anita, who thinks Jesse V is ok

I'm going to respectfully disagree here, hehe. I'm don't subscribe to any religion myself (not anymore, for some of the very reasons you've stated), but I'd like to think myself as a spiritual person.

Why you are very right about how bloody annoying it is when people try to cram religion down your throat, not all people are like that. I have a fair few christian friends, and why some are pretty nutty, a few others are really really cool. They believe in christianty but without the fundamentalism involved (such as the "It's god's will!" BS), they happily discuss with people about their religion but don't treat the rest of the non-christian world as flaming heretics. I'd like to say that most people who belong to a religion and nice and reasonable, but I really have nothing to back that up, all I know is not ALL of them are close-minded crackpots. And when I was chrisitan, I definately wasn't like that, I detested that behaviour.

Also, with your reference to the middle ages, I don't really think that's fair. The christians of today aren't responsible for what the other middle ages nutters did. It's sort of like blaming all the germans for the behaviour of the Nazi party, y'know?

Anyway, that's just my two cents!

EDIT: I have to agree with you about one thing, religion, or at least key religious representatives deserves a slap for some of the BS being pumped out their to the public, and the wrongful acts that have been done. In Australia ATM, the catholic church is under fire as it's been revealed that a priest (or two) have molested some poor children, although it's being denied. Sick sick people.

[intensityx]

Originally posted by IgwanaRob

Anyone who thinks it "as a slap at religion." is a stupid schmuck who should take their whiny PC liberal arse the hell out of this country. I'm sick of all these mindless PC morons trying to ruing this country with their hypocritical BS. Stop trying to force your damned religion down other people's throats. Today is July 4th, the day this country decided that we were free to decide what religion we wanted to follow, if we wanted to follow one. So stop trying to bypass that fact by forcing your religion into everyone elses desicions, especially when they religion wasn't part of them in the first place!

Jessie ain't a politician, he's a real American. He doesn't lie, cheat, or run political scams, and he tells things they way they are - Deal with it!

Uhh...do you know which side you are on??? You just expressed a quite liberal slant in your opinion, but in it you attacked liberals at the same time???....You are also defending Jesse Ventura, and you guessed it... he is a liberal. Maybe you should take a political quiz so you better understand which side you are on.

Political Quiz

[+BudMan MVC]

I have to agree with aem4162! And happy "Indivisible Day" everyone. At first glance I thought it said "Invisible" which brought to mind the "IPU" which would of been better :)

http://www.palmyra.demon.co.uk/humour/ipu.htm

All should bow to the IPU, or she will smite you with her Hooves :)

PBUH

[ziddey]

well! i guess this is well said and the way i wanted it to go. at least the first few posts. i didnt keep going. and keldyn, almost 5000 now. sheeeesh

[lucidrain]

I can not believe what some people are saying. I never post topics on Neowin, but I am now. First of all, I would NEVER FORCE my "religion" on ANYONE. But you all are honestly trying to sit there and say that there is NO god?! So basically you are saying that you were put here on this earth just to live and die and that is it? That your life has absolutely no meaning whatsoever? We just live to die, and... The End. That's it, and there is no more anything?

Just something to think about.

Goodbye.

[ziddey]

Originally posted by lucidrain

I can not believe what some people are saying. I never post topics on Neowin, but I am now. First of all, I would NEVER FORCE my "religion" on ANYONE. But you all are honestly trying to sit there and say that there is NO god?! So basically you are saying that you were put here on this earth just to live and die and that is it? That your life has absolutely no meaning whatsoever? We just live to die, and... The End. That's it, and there is no more anything?

Just something to think about.

Goodbye.

errr im so sorry for saying this, but telling me to think about it? well i might not speak for others but i think thats a bit of pressing a religion on me again? just my opinion

[Keldyn]

Originally posted by lucidrain

So basically you are saying that you were put here on this earth just to live and die and that is it? That your life has absolutely no meaning whatsoever? We just live to die, and... The End. That's it, and there is no more anything?

My life has meaning. I am here to enjoy myself and i do not need to seek worship in any god or religion to be satisfied in life. But yes, essentially we are born, we live and we die. There is no afterlife. We only get one chance on this earth and is all the more reason to make the most of it.

Thanks

[BananaMan]

Originally posted by lucidrain

I can not believe what some people are saying. I never post topics on Neowin, but I am now. First of all, I would NEVER FORCE my "religion" on ANYONE. But you all are honestly trying to sit there and say that there is NO god?! So basically you are saying that you were put here on this earth just to live and die and that is it? That your life has absolutely no meaning whatsoever? We just live to die, and... The End. That's it, and there is no more anything?

Just something to think about.

Goodbye.

We aren't chimps, of course we've thought about religion, and most of us are old enough to make our own conclusions about religion. And like what Keldyn said, absense in religion in life doesn't make it meaningless, that's an insult.

[SimGuy]

Originally posted by lucidrain

I can not believe what some people are saying. I never post topics on Neowin, but I am now. First of all, I would NEVER FORCE my "religion" on ANYONE. But you all are honestly trying to sit there and say that there is NO god?! So basically you are saying that you were put here on this earth just to live and die and that is it? That your life has absolutely no meaning whatsoever? We just live to die, and... The End. That's it, and there is no more anything?

Just something to think about.

Goodbye.

Some of us believe that. Some of us don't. Personally, there's got to be something more to life than simply biological existence, but I'm not going to try to force that upon someone else.

Believe what you wish, but keep it to yourself and don't try to force it on others :) :)

[ziddey]

phew... and i thought i was alone on this one as i usually am alone about everything :p

[Borg77]

Originally posted by IgwanaRob

Anyone who thinks it "as a slap at religion." is a stupid schmuck who should take their whiny PC liberal arse the hell out of this country. I'm sick of all these mindless PC morons trying to ruing this country with their hypocritical BS. Stop trying to force your damned religion down other people's throats. Today is July 4th, the day this country decided that we were free to decide what religion we wanted to follow, if we wanted to follow one. So stop trying to bypass that fact by forcing your religion into everyone elses desicions, especially when they religion wasn't part of them in the first place!

Jessie ain't a politician, he's a real American. He doesn't lie, cheat, or run political scams, and he tells things they way they are - Deal with it!

Ok Mr. IgwanaRob. I don't think its a slap at religion and I am not a liberal either. But the fact remains is that I could have easily sent in a proclamation wanting my agenda to be fowarded. However, I have neither an agenda or a goal at destroying this wonderful country I live in like this athiest group wanted to do.

Its people like you sir that want to destroy our country and tear down any decency it STILL has. This athiest guy out in California that is representing her daughter is an example. His daughter is actually a Christian because her mother is Christian and the Father even admits that she said the Pledge voluntarily. Therefore, he has an agenda driven ideology just like you who want to tear down our country so you liberal freaks can take it over. But I can tell you this you won't succeed.

Here is the article on the Athiest Father controversy.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article....RTICLE_ID=28160

The ironic revelation that the child and her mother are Christians who attend the Calvary Chapel in their home town of Elk Grove, Calif., was announced by Pastor Chuck Smith of Calvary Chapel in Costa Mesa, Calif., on his radio program Sunday night, and first reported by CPI News, a newssite run by homeschoolers. According to CPI News, the mother and daughter pleaded with the father not to file the case.

Sacramento atheist activist Michael Newdow mounted the now-infamous legal challenge against Congress for inserting the phrase "under God" in the Pledge in 1954, and against the Elk Grove Unified School District for its policy to have teachers lead students in reciting the Pledge in class. Newdow filed the case on behalf of his daughter, whom he told the Associated Press he is raising as an atheist.

"It's my parental right to keep the government off my child," AP quoted Newdow as saying.

But as Fox News reported, Newdow admitted that his 8-year-old daughter voluntarily says the pledge along with her classmates.

So you see that this guy, unlike yourself IgwanaRob, want to impose your beliefs on us. This guy is on a rampage just like what Jesse Ventura has done with our Independence Day (a.k.a Indivisble Day now) because they have nothing to loose. This country wouldn't exist and you wouldn't of existed either if it weren't for our Declaration of Independence, Constitution, etc.

Now you say that Jesse Ventura is a True American. You sir are wrong. Independence day should remain Independence Day but this bad ass wrestling type can do anything he wants because he has the power to do so.

Also, I do freely admit that people that represent the Christian Faith at the top like Pat Robertson should be exiled. The reason being he is doing the same thing that Michael Newdow and Jesse Ventura are trying to do which is imposing beliefs on others. I don't condone Pat Robertson's ideology at all and he doesn't represent me when he speaks against non-believers. You have the CHOICE to believe what you want to believe. Thats up to you and only you.

[lucidrain]

Originally posted by [AMD]-SimGuy

...Believe what you wish, but keep it to yourself and don't try to force it on others :) :)

Exactly (sort of). Thank you for semi backing me up. It is like some people are afraid to speak up how they feel. Every one else has stated their OPINION and that is all I am doing as well. I even stated in my original message that I am not forcing my beliefs on anyone. I simply stated that it was something to THINK about. If you chose to, that's fine, if you do not, that is fine as well. I simply stated my opinion on here just as everyone else has. I do not care if I get flamed to death. Everyone is entitled to speak their mind. THAT is what you call FREE SPEECH.

Comments are welcome. Express how you feel if you see it necessary. Also, I will not be commentng on future posts.

Goodbye.

[Spyder Veteran]

Originally posted by lucidrain

But you all are honestly trying to sit there and say that there is NO god?!

Yes

So basically you are saying that you were put here on this earth just to live and die and that is it?

No. I wasn't "put here". I was created from my parents egg and sperm. If you really want to boil right down to it, my purpose is to procreate.

That your life has absolutely no meaning whatsoever?

my life has lots of meaning without believing in a god. its insulting to think that you're implying otherwise.

We just live to die, and... The End. That's it, and there is no more anything?

um..yep? but hey...if you want to believe otherwise, thats your business. whatever makes you sleep better at night.

[Keldyn]

Originally posted by lucidrain

I even stated in my original message that I am not forcing my beliefs on anyone.

Goodbye.

Well yes. After you went back and edited your post.:rolleyes:

[Spyder Veteran]

Originally posted by Keldyn

Well yes. After you went back and edited your post.:rolleyes:

bahahaha