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ok ive had enough.

its too bad there are so many microsoft haters out there that refuse to use a better product because it has a microsoft brand on it.

agentsmith, i dont kow what to tell you. of course im not going to load mozilla on startup, why would i? im not loading ie on startup. (and NO, explorer is not internet explorer. close down explorer.exe, open up internet explorer from the task manager - notice it still loads up in less than a second).

http://members.shaw.ca/d2store/moz1.JPG

http://members.shaw.ca/d2store/moz2.JPG

theres my proof. 3 windows, all maximized. first screen is when download.com has focus in mozilla, other is when ie has focus.

here are 2 other tests i did using visual basic 6:

Put both programs in visual basic to test (of course, gecko crashed the second i drew it on my form)

time to load download.com (deleted cache for both browsers for each trial)

Did 10 tests.

Mozilla: 4.206 seconds

IE: 3.671 seconds

once again this is without cache, so the lookup, download of images, and everything is started from scratch

Mozilla takes 11.2 seconds to start, internet explorer 0.6. Dont tell me explorer is linked to internet explorer cause thats BS. again, close explorer.exe, and launch ie - itll lload in the same amount of time.

Im done here i have to go to work. dont have time to argue with all the ignorant microsoft haters. proof is there, live with it

btw, agent, the screen you sent me shows explorer.exe using 29 mb of ram. explorer is not iexplore.exe. send me a screen of that please. your "proof" is not there. what i do see in that screen is mozilla using 28.980mb of ram, knidly scroll down and post how much iexplore is using.

You obviously have no idea on what your talking about. IE is loaded at startup. It leeches itself into all eliments of THE OS. Hence why MS in court has said that they cant take IE out because it IS THE OS. Which is bull but there claim.

Visual Basic is a bloated enviornment and your calling things that are ALL ready loaded into memory. I suggest that you read a book on how to benchmark because you have no idea how to do so and get acurate information. Your also dismissing the fact of IE and its runtime componenets. Get rid of them. There are components loaded into mem to load faster. IE uses heavy resorces and mem its a FACT. You would know this if you had any understanding, I think you do but dont want to admit this. I could be wrong.

I applaud you and what your trying to do. This is how we all learn. But I do strongly suggest you do some research on what your doing because you will find out its incorrect. Your benchmarks, your statements in regards to IE at start up, how integrated it is in the OS and how many eliments it has built around it. ITs much more then just IE

The explorer.exe is part of IE look it up and you will see its a fact. Dont dismiss what I say with a hatefull remark. Just research it and learn the facts. Thats all I can say.

im back ladies!!

so far , i got like 20 posts saying idiot crap like i work for microsoft, and only 2 were able to argue with my statement (above) and both are incorrect.

One guy says "its impossible to close explorer.exe and load internet explorer!!" For you: hit ctrl alt delete. follow me so far? locate the list for "explorer.exe" - this may take a while but youll find it. click end process and then - theres only 2 buttons - one of them is ok. click that. follow me? now, click File> Run, and run iexplore.exe. VOILA!

AgEnTsMiTh came up with some "proof" that mozilla used less ram then ie. he then sent me a screenshot. i wnot post it, because it will make him look like an idiot. he had selected EXPLORER.EXE on the screenshot thinking that was iexplore.exe. conveniently, iexplore.exe's mem usage was out of the screenshot. I however proved above with 2 screenshots that mozilla clearly uses more ram than ie, as well as more cpu. agentsmith also says "Visual Basic is a bloated enviornment and your calling things that are ALL ready loaded into memory". Ooh.. hes right there! But it proves NOTHING. I loaded ie in visual basic, and i loaded mozilla (gecko) in the app and tested. hands down, ie loaded the page faster. both programs were already loaded in memory agentsmith, if anything igave mozilla an advantage because of the HUGE amount of time it takes to load.

There is very simply, NO REASON to use mozilla except if youre a microsoft hater. here, carefully laid out are all the arguements people have.

1) IE loads faster because it is tied with explorer.exe, which is loaded at startup.

Wrong! close explorer.exe and you can still open iexplore.exe (in under a second). restart your computer if u like, close down explorer.exe before it even loads to "allow iexplorer to get launched in memory" and you can still oepn internet explorer in under a second. Even if it is (which it isnt) loaded at startup (again which it isnt) then why argue that ie loads faster because its tied with the os? who cares????? it still loads faster!! you cant run either program without the os, so since the os is already there, why even say something like "ie only loads faster cause its tied with explorer.exe" - its not like u can "stop the os" or something. it all matters on which loads faster - teh winnar is ie

2) Mozilla loads pages faster

Wrong! Look at the tests - did 10 of them for each browser. all 20 tsets were taken when cache was cleared, to prevent any headstarts, and only the pure capabilities of each browser could be seen. Time for Mozilla: 4.206 seconds avg. Time for IE: 3.671 seconds.

3) Mozilla uses less ram

Wrong! look at the 2 screenshots. proof is right there. 3 pages weer loaded, neowin, download.com and google. screenshots were taking when download.com was in focus in the browser. http://members.shaw.ca/d2store/moz1.JPG and http://members.shaw.ca/d2store/moz2.JPG

4) Mozilla uses less cpu

Wrong! No it doesnt, test yourself, i couldnt take the screenshots fast enough and im not going to be bothered to to prove this fact either. mozilla: 37% cpu when loading the 3 pages. ie: 17%.

5) Oh oh yea?? Mozilla loads faster!!!

Wrong! Mozilla took 11.6 seconds to load on my computer, ie 0.6

6) You have a slow a$$ computer

Wrong! I dont call amd 1.2ghz w/ 448mb ram slow

7) Ooh ooh!! I can SKIN MOZILLA!! BEAT THAT !!

IE was designed to be extremely extremely flexible for programming - there are dozens of plugins available. if you like, you can download programs that contain ie but are skinnable (like neoplanet) for free

8) Mozilla has tabbed browsing!! And it blocks popups! WEE I WIN!

Download crazy browser if u want tabbed browsing with all of ies feature + dozens mroe (still loads faster/less ram then mozilla btw). You want to stop popups? Download a free popup blocker. add antoehr 600k to memory, which is really nothing. (still total ram will be much lower then mozillas)

9) Mozilla is standards compliant. KEKEKEK I WIN!!!!111

honestly, who cares. if ie can render a page correctly and mozilla cant, its mozilla which needs to be changed, not ie

come now ladies, if you were at least argueing for a decent browser like opera id have much much less to say to you. opera kicks as$ - but ie still kicks operas as$. but opera is much muchbetter then mozilla. have you noticed something? The 2 best browsers are non open-source, while the worst is.

I applaud you and what your trying to do. This is how we all learn. But I do strongly suggest you do some research on what your doing because you will find out its incorrect. Your benchmarks, your statements in regards to IE at start up, how integrated it is in the OS and how many eliments it has built around it. ITs much more then just IE

The explorer.exe is part of IE look it up and you will see its a fact. Dont dismiss what I say with a hatefull remark. Just research it and learn the facts. Thats all I can say.

And by the way. I would listen to your posts but the fact that your benchmarks are as inacturate and invalidated as it gets, I cannot nor can anyone else. Learn the correct way to benchmark there are many great books that can teach you how to do so. And anyone who knows anything will tell you that you cannot and will not get acurate readings using the most bloated enviornment VB to get a benchmark like this LOL. And how can you do so when IE is loaded at boot and your not doing the same with Moz. Get real please. DO YOUR RESEARCH!!!!!!!!!!

Originally posted by VaxoP

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9) Mozilla is standards compliant. KEKEKEK I WIN!!!!111

honestly, who cares. if ie can render a page correctly and mozilla cant, its mozilla which needs to be changed, not ie

i SUPPOSE your reasons are valid, i dont know.. i dont care. but this one (#9) is crazy-talk. how can you be against setting programming standards ? have you ever coded programs or html ? have you ever tried to read other people's work ? the whole point of standards is for it to work in all browsers.

agentsmith, how can explorer.exe be part of ie? it would make much more sense if u said ie is a part of explorer.exe. if explorer.exe is a part of ie, ie would be loaded at startup, which it isnt. you manually open ie. i just checked the dependencies of explorer and iexplore. explorer references to ie, ie does not reference explorer. then, it would be quite fair dont u agree that if i close explorer.exe before it even loads, that ie doesnt get a head start. well i did that, and guess what, iexplore still loads in a second or so. (this is after restarting, closing explorer.exe before it starts). but even if it was part of the os (which it isnt) who cares? point is it loads faster.

hold on ill do the ultimate test for u.. ill remove shdocvw.dll (ie core) and iexplore.exe from my hd (well back it up actually :) ) and restart my computer. i guarantee xp will still load, proving ie is not the os.

Just a note from a VB lover...

Let's see... You loaded Internet Explorer (also known as iexplorer.exe) from Visual Basic 6.. wait. The first lesson in VB I was taught was creating my own webbrowser because IE is part of the OS and thus can call functions and services from memory because of this.

Then you loaded Mozilla into VB 6 and it crashed. Guess what. I loaded a bunch of other non-visual basic/non-C compiled programs and tried to read them in the VB 6 enviroment and in the Interdev enviroment and guess what -- they crashed.

If you want more proof that IE is part of the OS, go check out the current drama of the DOJ trial. The whole point was people COULDN'T remove IE and outlook no matter how hard they tried, thus spawning the future release of Service Pack One for XP.

Back to the original topic: Why Mozilla is Great! Not "Why Microsoft should be given sexual favors cause we love it"..

Mozilla is great *because* of the W3C standards. Just as much as your printer/usb/firewire/etc port is great only because of the IEEE standards. Anyone remember Winchester harddrives? Buahahaha!

Standards = Guidelines for progress. Just because some 5yr old learned basic HTML doesn't mean he's a web designer/developer. It means he learned the basics and needs to polish his/her skills. OPaul's web page is a perfect example. He learned CSS but forgot how to implement them. You have to let the browser know what is to be changed. The browser, if it doesn't have this information supplied, actually reverts to your default settings -- which for IE is Times New Roman 10pt. Konquer and Netscape I believe in Linux are Helvetica 12pt... So yeah, if you are used to seeing the page in Times New Roman/Tahoma 10pt/9pt and change browsers, of course its not going to "display correctly". Cause its not "dislaying correctly" on any browser.

Sloppy code is like sloppy sex, it gets the job done but its hell of lot better when done correctly.

Originally posted by Vidar

Just a note from a VB lover...

Let's see... You loaded Internet Explorer (also known as iexplorer.exe) from Visual Basic 6.. wait. The first lesson in VB I was taught was creating my own webbrowser because IE is part of the OS and thus can call functions and services from memory because of this.

Then you loaded Mozilla into VB 6 and it crashed. Guess what. I loaded a bunch of other non-visual basic/non-C compiled programs and tried to read them in the VB 6 enviroment and in the Interdev enviroment and guess what -- they crashed.

If you want more proof that IE is part of the OS, go check out the current drama of the DOJ trial. The whole point was people COULDN'T remove IE and outlook no matter how hard they tried, thus spawning the future release of Service Pack One for XP.

Back to the original topic: Why Mozilla is Great! Not "Why Microsoft should be given sexual favors cause we love it"..

Mozilla is great *because* of the W3C standards. Just as much as your printer/usb/firewire/etc port is great only because of the IEEE standards. Anyone remember Winchester harddrives? Buahahaha!

Standards = Guidelines for progress. Just because some 5yr old learned basic HTML doesn't mean he's a web designer/developer. It means he learned the basics and needs to polish his/her skills. OPaul's web page is a perfect example. He learned CSS but forgot how to implement them. You have to let the browser know what is to be changed. The browser, if it doesn't have this information supplied, actually reverts to your default settings -- which for IE is Times New Roman 10pt. Konquer and Netscape I believe in Linux are Helvetica 12pt... So yeah, if you are used to seeing the page in Times New Roman/Tahoma 10pt/9pt and change browsers, of course its not going to "display correctly". Cause its not "dislaying correctly" on any browser.

Sloppy code is like sloppy sex, it gets the job done but its hell of lot better when done correctly.

THANK YOU!!!

You are 100% correct and he choses to ignore all my statements on these facts trying to support his invalid and incorrect claims and proof. Like I said, I applaud what he is trying to do but to have credibility YOU MUST learn how to 1. do it correctly and 2. Learn the basic facts of IE.

All you have proven here today is how much info you need to learn about.

lol, it's sorta funny when someone doesn't even realize how wrong they are, and they keep going.

don't forget, he also had no clue about xhtml, and his websites don't validate, so his opinion pretty much carries no weight.

Originally posted by parrots

Yeah, they don't, and its a shame. And they don't care simply because they are too lazy to read the specs and code right, not because the specs aren't good. W3C has great specs and its a shame people don't follow them.

One day the Web will be like there is now...full of standards that people follow. Just like Samsung can't make RAM that breaks the standards that a motherboard is built around and still be bought, one day Web sites will comply to the same standards.

yep one day the web will be like that but now the web is not like that. An average internet user don't have to worry about these. IE renders them correctly, so he would use IE. Mozilla is a perfect browser and is standard compliant but IE is more than perfect.

Standards = Guidelines for progress. Just because some 5yr old learned basic HTML doesn't mean he's a web designer/developer. It means he learned the basics and needs to polish his/her skills. OPaul's web page is a perfect example. He learned CSS but forgot how to implement them. You have to let the browser know what is to be changed. The browser, if it doesn't have this information supplied, actually reverts to your default settings -- which for IE is Times New Roman 10pt. Konquer and Netscape I believe in Linux are Helvetica 12pt... So yeah, if you are used to seeing the page in Times New Roman/Tahoma 10pt/9pt and change browsers, of course its not going to "display correctly". Cause its not "dislaying correctly" on any browser.

If I code a non standard compliant webpage most of the poeple browsing the web can view them correctly because most of them are using IE. then who cares about standards.

Originally posted by Vidar

Just a note from a VB lover...

Let's see... You loaded Internet Explorer (also known as iexplorer.exe) from Visual Basic 6.. wait. The first lesson in VB I was taught was creating my own webbrowser because IE is part of the OS and thus can call functions and services from memory because of this.

Then you loaded Mozilla into VB 6 and it crashed. Guess what. I loaded a bunch of other non-visual basic/non-C compiled programs and tried to read them in the VB 6 enviroment and in the Interdev enviroment and guess what -- they crashed.

If you want more proof that IE is part of the OS, go check out the current drama of the DOJ trial. The whole point was people COULDN'T remove IE and outlook no matter how hard they tried, thus spawning the future release of Service Pack One for XP.

Back to the original topic: Why Mozilla is Great! Not "Why Microsoft should be given sexual favors cause we love it"..

Mozilla is great *because* of the W3C standards. Just as much as your printer/usb/firewire/etc port is great only because of the IEEE standards. Anyone remember Winchester harddrives? Buahahaha!

Standards = Guidelines for progress. Just because some 5yr old learned basic HTML doesn't mean he's a web designer/developer. It means he learned the basics and needs to polish his/her skills. OPaul's web page is a perfect example. He learned CSS but forgot how to implement them. You have to let the browser know what is to be changed. The browser, if it doesn't have this information supplied, actually reverts to your default settings -- which for IE is Times New Roman 10pt. Konquer and Netscape I believe in Linux are Helvetica 12pt... So yeah, if you are used to seeing the page in Times New Roman/Tahoma 10pt/9pt and change browsers, of course its not going to "display correctly". Cause its not "dislaying correctly" on any browser.

Sloppy code is like sloppy sex, it gets the job done but its hell of lot better when done correctly.

I will admit one thing now..

i guess yes iexplore is loaded with windows. tried removing it and restarting, but xp put it back. but.. the point still remains that ie loads faster. who cares if its with the os, the point is it starts faster (btw i loaded the ghey mozilla thing in the taskbar which is really no different from loading ie in the tray but ie still loaded faster).

Now Vidar, time to teach u some stuff about vb. first, go to mozilla.org. look through it and after a half hour of searching you should be able to find the instructions and the latest build of the embedding engine (which is based on the latest build of mozilla). now embed that. it crashed for me the first time, worked the second.

now, the benchmark was not to tset how long the apps took to load, it was to test how long it took for a page to be rendered.

here is the code for you:

<pre>[color="#0000A0"]Private[/color] x [color="#0000A0"]As[/color] [color="#0000A0"]Long[/color]

[color="#0000A0"]Private[/color] [color="#0000A0"]Sub[/color] cmdStart_Click()

x = 0

WB.Navigate "http://www.download.com"

Timer1.Enabled = [color="#0000A0"]True[/color]

[color="#0000A0"]Do[/color] : DoEvents : [color="#0000A0"]Loop[/color] [color="#0000A0"]Until[/color] WB.Busy = [color="#0000A0"]False[/color]

Timer1.Enabled = [color="#0000A0"]False[/color]

MsgBox x

[color="#0000A0"]End[/color] [color="#0000A0"]Sub[/color]

[color="#0000A0"]Private[/color] [color="#0000A0"]Sub[/color] Timer1_Timer()

x = x + 1

[color="#0000A0"]End[/color] [color="#0000A0"]Sub[/color]</pre>

WB is the webbrowser, either mozilla or ie.

that was the benchmark i used, its completely fair. both browsers were allowed to completely load before i clicked start.

i dont get it though... IE for macintosh follows the standards, yet IE for windows does not. Is the IE MAC team smarter than the IE windows team?

Scratch that, im wrong, i had a fried compare the two (mozilla and ie for x) and mozilla displayed correctly. Next time i should read the facts

I appear to be wrong... He was using mozilla on X and IE for windows... what an idiot... 2>

Originally posted by prasanth

yep one day the web will be like that but now the web is not like that. An average internet user don't have to worry about these. IE renders them correctly, so he would use IE. Mozilla is a perfect browser and is standard compliant but IE is more than perfect.

If I code a non standard compliant webpage most of the poeple browsing the web can view them correctly because most of them are using IE. then who cares about standards.

the average internet user never sees the code, anyway. i fail to see your point.

Originally posted by VaxoP

I will admit one thing now..

i guess yes iexplore is loaded with windows. tried removing it and restarting, but xp put it back. but.. the point still remains that ie loads faster. who cares if its with the os, the point is it starts faster (btw i loaded the ghey mozilla thing in the taskbar which is really no different from loading ie in the tray but ie still loaded faster).

you know whats funny, is that for me, and for several other people, moz loads in 1-2 seconds, just like IE. that 11 seconds thing is a little ridiculous.

Originally posted by giantsnyy2002

i dont get it though... IE for macintosh follows the standards, yet IE for windows does not. Is the IE MAC team smarter than the IE windows team?

yeah, i would guess so. the office v.X team is a different team. and office for mac kicks office for xp's arse.

Originally posted by prasanth

yep one day the web will be like that but now the web is not like that. An average internet user don't have to worry about these. IE renders them correctly, so he would use IE. Mozilla is a perfect browser and is standard compliant but IE is more than perfect.

If I code a non standard compliant webpage most of the poeple browsing the web can view them correctly because most of them are using IE. then who cares about standards.

Oh thank god!! Someone with a working brain finally posted.

the fact is, almost ALL of the best webpage creators (including dreamweaver) will sometimes not create html that works in mozilla. but ie still loads it fine. what does that mean? ie is bad for loading it or mozilla is bad for not loading it? its not hard to realize that if mozilla cant load it, IT is the inferior program.

also guess what, some people dont have time to imagine how a webpage will look by codnig html in notepad. they are good designers and would rather design the webpage with dreamweaver. dont blame them for making awesome pages that work in ie and dont in mozilla.. blame mozilla.

and yes w3c invented the www. (i think??). so they get to decide standards? wutzhisname invented the telephone - was he making standards for it? IE has 98% of the market share. if it can display a page properly, so should its competitors if they want to become better than ie. IE decides these "standards" - though it isnt official, it sure is the case.

Browser Load speeds.. as far as surfing the web is concerned, Mozilla loads pages faster then IE does for proof on this, simply do a google search on this. Microsoft themselves have done benchmarks and in leaked emails stated that they needed to improve there performance of web caching and loading. So, I guess by all your statements that you know more then MS?

I also do not appreciate your immature attitide and attacks twards the facts we know, and the facts you dismiss trying to support yourslef in order to refrain from looking like you know nothing, which is obviously too late.

Fact and point of this whole issue is that you have made many unvalitated comments and have shown how little you know about this discussion you have taken part in. I would hope above all that mabey you will later take the time out to research and learn the facts about this and walk away knowing more then you thought you did.

Originally posted by BroChaos

IE is not more than perfect. it was their stupid deviations from the standards, in a dirty attempt to get more people to use their browser, that started this whole incompatibility thing in the first place.

Who cares about microsoft's stupid deveations from standards.All i have to care about is does the page view correctly.the answer is no so i will use IE. I will use mozila when the internet is full of standard compliant webpages.

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In the box F4-425 Pro TNAS device Power adapter LAN cable (CAT 6) Quick guide [full online guide] Limited warranty notice Screws (for HDD bays) Stickers 2x rubber feet (spares) Design As has become kind of common with TerraMaster, certainly in the last three years, the 2025 F2- and F4-series have received a makeover that really adds to the premium feel of the NAS. Gone are the plastic shells, now replaced with an aluminum outer shell, with the front and back retaining the textured black plastic we saw on the 2024 models. Some key differences from the 2024 series include placing the power button back on the front, along with the addition of a Type A USB port. It's not much bigger or heavier either; in fact, it weighs 500 grams less than the F4-424 Pro. It's slightly shorter in height and depth (length), but only by a few millimeters. The front and back do retain a similar style to the 2024 series. On the front, you just have your four bays along with LED indicators for the HDDs and power. The welcomed change is having a USB port on the front for quick access, should you need to back up a USB drive, for example. Around the back, from top to bottom, you have a reset pin hole, an HDMI port, two 5 GbE Ethernet ports, two USB 3.2 Gen 2 (10 Gbps) Type A ports with a Type-C port below them, and a connector for the barrel port power source. Again, there's no Kensington Security Slot present, which is a bit of a shame considering it's a data storage device. Left side Right side On the left and right of the F4-425 Plus, it is completely smooth aluminum with a TERRAMASTER logo printed on both sides. On the bottom, there are some holes to assist ventilation. Unlike with the F4-425 Plus, the rubber feet did come unstuck during the teardown, which was also an issue on the 2023 series. It seems like other customers have lodged complaints about them, as TerraMaster now includes two spare rubber feet in the box, in case any of the preinstalled ones are lost; however, this seems more like a papering over the cracks solution rather than actually fixing the issue with better quality rubber stand-offs. There are also four screws that must be removed in order to access the internals. Teardown Upon removing the four screws, you can slide the device out of its shell to reveal the three NVMe M.2 slots (PCIe 3.0 X1) and single SODIMM slot connector, which is populated with a single 16GB DDR5 4800MT/s module. I added a couple of MP44Q M.2 PCIe 4.0 SSDs (2 x 4TB) that can be availed on Amazon for $492.99 that TEAMGROUP supplied us with, along with a 250GB 970 Evo Plus that my colleague Chris White sent me by accident and let me keep a few years ago. As I have said in previous reviews, TerraMaster support staff actually encourage installing whatever you want on their devices, and happily, the USB port for the bootloader is now easily accessible should you want to use it for your own flavor of NAS OS, such as TrueNAS, Unraid, or maybe Xpenology. Yes, because TerraMaster has now switched to a 256 GB NAND Flash card (3rd photo above) for the TOS bootloader. This is also replaceable, but you can also simply add a USB bootloader, access the BIOS, and tell the F4-425 Pro to boot from that instead of the Flash card. Unlike earlier iterations of TerraMaster NAS, you don't have to tear this down any further than the four screws on the outer shell in order to be able to access and manage the memory, NVMe slots, and USB bootloader. However, if you need to access the NAND Flash card or CMOS battery, then eight more screws (four on each side) need to be removed in order to take off the rear panel with the 120mm fan, and then the motherboard can be lifted off and removed from the SATA connector PCB. There's also no risk of threading the screw holes, because the four that hold the shell in place are metal on metal, while the screws that hold the rear panel on do screw into plastic. Either way, like last time when I reviewed the F4-425 plus, I was just happier to see larger screws being used. Overall, it follows some great improvements in build quality from the 2024 series and earlier. Setup BIOS The F4-425 Pro includes an Aptio BIOS from American Megatrends [1, 2], and you can setup pretty much everything here including the boot order, which is locked to the UEFI OS, however above that choice you can enable or disable booting to the USB bootloader so this would still allow you to switch to a USB stick with an alternative bootloader and boot from it, or disable it to instead always start from the first disk with an OS installed on it. Initial Setup Setup is roughly the same as the F4-425 Plus, along with the new TOS 7 setup dialogs, so there will be no surprises here. Upon connecting to the LAN and booting up, the F4-425 Pro can be reached by navigating to http://tnas.local. If that doesn't work, you can use the local address assigned via DHCP, which you can find using the TNAS PC desktop application, which is essentially a TerraMaster NAS finder. The setup process is pretty straightforward, through a wizard, and in full below: TOS 7 Initialization As you can see, TOS 7 received a new coat of paint, and the initialization requires fewer interactions. Happily, TOS no longer decides to throw all disks into the same Storage Pool; 2.5-inch HDDs are allocated into Storage Pool 1. This is because two of the HDDs are allocated to hold system files. Previously (with TOS 5 and 6), if you pre-installed HDDs and SSDs, they were all placed into Storage Pool 1, even if you did not select the SSDs for inclusion during the onboarding. TOS 7 Setup On first boot, there is a tutorial and some steps to take to harden the TNAS (or not), which includes an immediate update from TOS 7.0.0616 to 7.0.0706, of which the changelog screenshot is also included in the above gallery. It must be noted that the Security Advisor still contains (in my opinion) a pretty major bug in that if you enable SPC and then do the required rebooting, the Security Advisor still says that SPC is disabled. TerraMaster provided the following statement about it: It is disappointing that TOS 7 has been in beta since December, and this OOBE issue is still there. Shutdown option has moved Instead of a Taskbar option to manage the NAS, all of these options have been moved to the Control Panel, initially I did not see it and my contact had to show me how to power off the F4-425 Pro. To logout, reboot or power off you can find those controls at the top right of the Control Panel. It is also possible to power off through the TNAS mobile app beta. Storage setup Above, you can see the steps I took to create the Storage Pools and Volumes. I made a second Storage Pool using TRAID on two 4TB MP44Q SSDs (which, in this instance, is similar to RAID 5), and finally, I added the 250GB 970 Evo Plus drive as Hyper Cache on Storage Pool 1 in Balanced mode. Registering If you decide not to lock down the F4-425 Pro in Security Isolation Mode (blocking all external connections), then you could set up a TNAS device ID through the Remote Access setting in the Control Panel (which must be unique). This works in combination with an online TerraMaster account. TOS 7 TNAS Online Creating a TerraMaster account and linking the device online activates the warranty when you provide proof of purchase and the serial number, but it also gives you access through the TNAS mobile app, which allows you to complete certain operationsб including powering off and restarting the NAS remotely. A TNAS mobile update is required to gain access through TOS 7, and this is provided on the TerraMaster website, as it is not yet on Google Play. The app is evolving all the time and has made leaps and bounds since I first started reviewing TerraMaster devices almost three years ago. It is not quite there yet if you are comparing the likes of Synology, which, sadly, a lot of users online do all the time. OpenClaw setup One of the main selling points of the new F4-425 Pro is the inclusion of OpenClaw, with TerraMaster claiming that it is "powered by the world's first AI-native TOS 7 OS, supporting local-first smart workflows and independent data control." However, I immediately ran into problems trying to enable OpenClaw. After waiting 20 minutes at the "Enabling" message of the OpenClaw app following installation, I decided to do some searching online and discovered that it couldn't complete the installation process due to SPC being enabled, which is something TOS 7 immediately recommends to be enabled on first boot. SPC for NAS (TOS 7) is basically the same principle as UAC in Windows; it blocks executables from being launched by non-Super Users. After reaching out to my contact about these issues, I received the following response: Anyway, this only became clear when I closed the OpenClaw app screen and clicked on the OpenClaw icon in the taskbar; that is when I saw the message about disabling SPC. I think, due to the fact that this is a requirement, this should be a prompt during the installation process, not when closing the App Market and then trying to launch OpenClaw. There's also no 'Getting started' guide for people like me who have never used OpenClaw. I tried to add an LLM and discovered the tutorial led nowhere. That's when I started looking around the official TerraMaster forums, and I found a guide that helpfully explains that you won't get anywhere with OpenClaw unless you have a paid plan, which is disappointing because I imagined there would be an option to use a local LLM as I do in SubtitleEdit with Whisper-XXL. In addition, with the marketing imagery on the official site, it says that the OpenClaw feature is "all processed 100% locally for absolute privacy." which led me to believe that I could install a local LLM, not one that required paid tokens. In any case, TerraMaster does not provide guidance for this new feature, which was also a selling point of the F4-425 Pro! My contact also provided clarification about the above points I raised with TerraMaster Since it is not in the scope of the review to add paid services, I'll leave that to the people who are more qualified with OpenClaw. F4-425 Pro Surveillance App TOS also comes with a Surveillance app, which is not installed by default; it can be found in the App Market recommended section. In addition, after installing, it doesn't drop a shortcut on the Desktop or top taskbar, but you can "Send to Desktop" from the App Market listing for the app for a quick way to open it. Adding my Reolink POE doorbell camera was painless. TerraMaster doesn't appear to have a repository of preconfigured cameras; instead, the camera must be added using ONVIF or RTSP. No mobile Surveillance app TerraMaster still doesn't have a dedicated Surveillance app, although from searching online, Surveillance can be used and managed through the TNAS mobile app. I tried this with the updated TNAS mobile app beta in combination with TOS 7 and got a message that Surveillance was "Only accessible through web browser," so I reckon this must be limited to the stable versions of TOS 6 and the mobile app. More quirks In addition, whenever I minimized the Live View window in the browser Surveillance app, the feed appeared to switch to the Low-bandwidth stream, and there was no way to get the High-quality stream back. To get the High-quality stream back, I had to close Live View and then reopen it. Benchmarking A pretty cool feature of the TOS 7 is that it allows you to install directly to the NVMe M.2 SSD. In order to do that, you would have to leave out any HDDs during initialization, and even then, the system partitions are always written to two HDDs when they are eventually added. With three NVMe slots, this also gives an interesting scenario where you could build a TRAID storage Pool for installing all your apps and Docker on, and keep the third for SSD cache on the HDD pool. Limitless options! SATA PCIe 3.0 X1 A CrystalDiskMark test on a mapped network drive from within a Windows 11 25H2 PC (image above) connected over a 5 GbE hub was well within acceptable ranges. Although the read result on SATA was a little less than with the F4-425 Plus, for some reason, while writes were generally better. SATA PCIe 3.0 X1 I also ran the NAS Performance tester, which tests the link speed performance. As you can see, it pretty much maxes out the 5GbE connection. Of course, you can also opt to bond the two 5 GbE connections for a bit more umph, but I didn't do that. TOS 7, which, as of testing, is still in Beta, comes with an App Center that has a bunch of handy programs you can install right off the bat, such as Emby, Plex, Docker, as well as in-house Backup and Surveillance solutions. As you can imagine, any media streaming services you would want to host off the F4-425 Pro will work great, thanks to the Intel Core N350 CPU and its 16 GB of DDR5 memory. Accessing from mobile is only possible if Security Isolation Mode is disabled, which can put your NAS at risk from external sources, so there was no way to access it from the TNAS Mobile app. It's also quiet. I had this sat next to my computer on my work desk for the past week, and I did wonder if the noise I was accustomed to with NAS devices would annoy me, but all I could hear was a soft whirring of the rear fan (which was a little annoying) when the disks were not actively copying or reading data. Conclusion So what have I learned? Unfortunately, this release raises a few important questions and concerns that I feel haven't been adequately addressed. What I didn't like Our variant shipped with TOS 7 beta, and it's advised not to use it in a production environment. I feel that's a bit limiting on an $800 device. The mobile app is also still in beta and does not support some of the first-party apps, like Surveillance, and it still has quite a few bugs. I am a bit confused about the OpenClaw marketing along with the F4-425 Pro. I feel like that if it's going to be a main selling point, then offer official guidance on how to get started with it. TerraMaster recommends enabling SPC, but then markets the NAS for use with OpenClaw, which requires disabling SPC to be able to use it, opening up genuine security concerns for the NAS; and that's before you get into the security concerns of OpenClaw itself. Of course, the above issues won't be a problem if you decide to install something else on it, or even go back to the stable TOS 6. I wish TerraMaster had just given TOS 7 as opt-in rather than shipping with it. TOS 7 has been available as a preview since December 2025 (so well before my last TerraMaster review), and according to a thread on Reddit where a user shared a screenshot from the TerraMaster Facebook page, it is scheduled to launch today, June 23, but there's nothing about that in the TerraMaster news blog. My contact confirmed over email that TOS 7 exits beta today. The rubber feet also deserve a mention as they continue to be a problem, with them coming unstuck the moment you shift the F4-425 Pro anywhere on your desk. What I liked What it comes down to, though, aside from what I already mentioned, you are still getting a quality, affordable device here, so recommending it will depend on the individual's use case. If you're just looking for a relatively small NAS device to manage virtual machines on, backup your files, and take care of your home theater streaming, then it is a great device that will certainly futureproof you for some time. It provides good performance, takes up little space, and is, on the whole, very quiet. Four bays afford proper redundancy using TRAID or RAID 5, and you can even expand on storage capacity by adding the 2-bay D5, or 4-bay D8 Hybrid DAS over a USB 3.2 (10Gbps) link. Considering the 2024 releases were more about power, with the likes of an Intel Core i5-1235U high-end laptop CPU under the hood, I asked my contact last time if we could expect more of the same in higher-end models and was told: It makes a lot of sense to use Intel's N350 chip inside a NAS; it is more than capable of doing what the F4-425 Pro is intended for, media streaming and backup. The only downside is still the clear lack of community and even staff support on the official forums. In the past, I have had topics go unanswered for days, or there would be generic-type "we've noted this and passed it onto our developer team" type responses. Along with the other things I mentioned, it all ends up costing it a couple of points. If you are comfortable with the command line, Docker, and setting up TrueNAS or Unraid, you'll be fine. You can do great things with this hardware. In TOS, the apps are a bit lacking, and things don't always work as expected.\ AI NAS?! What has become clear to me this year is that we are going to start seeing all kinds of "AI NAS" come to market, and while that might be good for us consumers, be diligent and research these claims. Although the F4-425 Pro technically comes with AI, it is really using a cloud service that is externally sourced off-device through the third party OpenClaw app. My colleague did review a newcomer to the NAS space earlier this year, and it includes a local AI assistant inside the Zettlab D4 NAS, and they do not even use AI in the product name, check out Chris' review here. Where to buy and a discount coupon However, it does not change the fact that this is truly a great entry-level home media-class NAS that you can buy right now. TerraMaster is having a 20% off launch discount, plus you can also still apply our unique 10% off coupon on checkout, which only works on the official website. So here is a breakdown of the pricing that is only valid on the official TerraMaster website. TerraMaster F4-425 Pro (N350) + 20% discount + 10% coupon = $575.99 TerraMaster F4-425 Pro (N305) + 20% discount + 10% coupon = $503.99 TerraMaster F4-425 Pro (N350) + 20% discount + 10% coupon = £525.59 TerraMaster F4-425 Pro (N305) + 20% discount + 10% coupon = £460.79 Use NEOWIN coupon code during checkout for 10% discount Over on Amazon US and UK, the F4-425 Pro also gets a 20% launch discount, but here, the above 10% coupon cannot be applied. TerraMaster F4-425 Pro (N350) for $639.99 at Amazon US (was $799.99) TerraMaster F4-425 Pro (N305) for $559.99 at Amazon US (was $699.99) TerraMaster F4-425 Pro (N350) for £583.99 at Amazon UK (was £729.99) TerraMaster F4-425 Pro (N305) for £511.99 at Amazon UK (was £639.99) As an Amazon Associate, when you purchase through links on our site, we earn from qualifying purchases.
    • I used to use Google assistant, not on the phone i have now, but about 7 years ago, then I decided it did not really do anything for me. Because i had Echo units over the house I added Alexa to the phone to control stuff and that is how it is now. Not the new Alexa+, as that is not really available in the U.K yet apart from on new units and to be honest, not interested in it. I went though the stage years ago of using voice to do text and call people, quicker to do it using my hands. I had a muck about with Siri on my Mac when I first got it, but not having a microphone permanently plugged in makes it a pain. I know it can be used by text. Siri like Apple AI is disabled on my Mac and will stay disabled.
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