Actor Charlie Sheen Questions Official 9/11 Story


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oops :rolleyes:

I guess a was a bit over the line with the satan thing :laugh: sorry

But all americans have to agree with the fact that your nation has done a lot of bad things around the world to get success to their agenda, the greedy to rule and get profits.

You mean just like every other country, mostly of seen in 3rd world dictatorships. :rolleyes:

If the passengers of the accused BOEING flights in those airplanes didn't crashed to WTC 1, WTC 2, pentagon or only some of them did they had to be destroy somewhere right? There's stong evidence that pentagon plane was not boeing, so where is it? The passengers are dead.

Some proof of this...... hahaha You know, other than all the witnesses saying otherwise.

Twin towers had explosives installed. It was a demolition.

Theres hard video evidence that proofs this. Theres also eyewitnesses telling about the explsions they heard.

we are already discussing this. However what you describe is probably electrical exposions.

Pentagon attac, well that has been a clear fake job from the beginning.

All these strong statements and no evidence. :rofl:

America has to understand the fact that your goverment is behind these attacs. 9/11 was a hoax. Everything what happened after that is based on a lie. Afghanistan, Iraq, everything. The question is not whether they did it or not, but why they did and who did. One thing is for sure, Bush is involved. What adds all this is that Bush won the 2000 presidential election in very dubious circumstances.

WE JUST HAVE UNDERSTAND THIS, ALL OF IT. OK I WILL GET ON THAT :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

The Madrid attacks were staged. Its part of a globalist movement, why do you think leaders from around the world and other famous political figure heads such as Henry Kissenger attend the skull and bones meetings and rituals at places such as Bohemian Grove in San Francisco???

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so after 34,692 people, 82% are just lone nuts?

it doesnt matter that it's charlie sheen coming out, it's the fact that it's a public figure that people can relate to. when people like me or winmacsta try to say anything, people scoff... there has to be a public figure that's willing to put their credibility on the line for people to become interested.

daaman64... youre only regurgitating the "official" facts back at us when they are blatantly wrong. this is what we're trying to convey to the masses. just saying "what, the planes didnt fly into the towers?" and "there WERE al qaeda members on the planes!" doesnt mean anything. youre overlooking every fact that is brought up like " Why did WTC7 building fall?" "What happened to the millions of dollars in gold that was located under WTC1 and 2?" "why was nearly no debris found in Shanksville?" "where is the rest of the Pentagon footage?"

instead it's always the same replies from people like yourself... all they do is call us names, tell us we're crazy and go back into our holes. time and time again it's the same reaction instead of doing anything to prove us wrong. these people NEED to research and NEED to watch the numerous documentaries, judge the presented facts and then try to disprove them. you cant.

you cant disprove that fire couldnt destroy the steel towers. you cant disprove that the towers were built to withstand planes bigger than those that hit the towers, and multiple planes. you cant disprove that the towers fell in freefall, which is only possible w/ controlled demolitions. you cant disprove that WTC7 was a controlled demolition.

also, it has been proven that making those cell phone calls is next to impossible http://www.physics911.net/cellphoneflight93.htm

and honestly, just think logically for a second... al qaeda plans 9/11 from caves in afghanistan, uses inexperienced pilots to hit 4 bullseyes, hijacks the planes with BOXCUTTERS (oh no!), and finally, FTW, magically takes out the WTC7 building in late afternoon. c'mon.

and finally, here's a quote from a recent PrisonPlanet article:

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/march...harliesheen.htm

"Over the past two years, scores of highly regarded individuals have gone public to express their serious doubts about 9/11. These include former presidential advisor and CIA analyst Ray McGovern, the father of Reaganomics and former Assistant Secretary of the US Treasury Paul Craig Roberts, BYU physics Professor Steven Jones, former German defense minister Andreas von Buelow, former MI5 officer David Shayler, former Blair cabinet member Michael Meacher, former Chief Economist for the Department of Labor during President George W. Bush's first term Morgan Reynolds and many more." <-- are these people credible enough?

Just because Al Quada commited the Madrid bombings, that doesnt mean they commited the 9/11 bombings.

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Sunday, 8 September, 2002

Al-Qaeda initially planned to fly hijacked jets into nuclear installations - rather than the World Trade Center and the Pentagon - according to an Arab journalist who says he interviewed two of the group's masterminds.

The Arabic television station al-Jazeera says it will broadcast on Thursday the interview in which Osama Bin Laden's aides describe in detail how they planned the 11 September attacks.

Khalid Sheikh Mohammed told him he was head of the al-Qaeda military committee and Ramzi Binalshibh the co-ordinator of what they refer to as "Holy Tuesday".

Over the course of two days, Mr Fouda says, the men gave him an insight into how the terror group operates and how the 11 September attacks were planned.

For the benefit of those outside the US, who see nothing about this on the news, what is the American public's reaction to all this?

Is there enough reaction to make it an issue?

... Because all I can read about this is in here, located in the area 51 forum, next to topics like "Giant UFO Over Helsinki" and "Red Rain in India Could link to Aliens".

gunnerhkjp --- you could find plenty of information on the internet though.... you dont have to come here to find the facts. we're here to discuss the 9/11 coverup, but of course it always ends in name calling and arguments.

the vast majority of the American public have no idea b/c they are brainwashed by the media, the government, and "terrorist" drama shows like 'The Unit' and '24' ... and they continue to waste brainpower on things like watching sports, celebrities, and watching reality shows. im not trying to say it's bad to watch sports and American Idol, but most people get so addicted to them they start to blur reality. ever meet a guy who knows every fact about the NY Yankees from 1963, but doesnt even know where Russia is on a map? or a girl that knows everything about Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie, but couldnt tell you who the vice president is?

im actually really surprised to see the media give the Charlie Sheen topic so much attention... it's very unlike the media...

a good place to start is www.prisonplanet.com or www.infowars.com ... Alex Jones is a huge advocate of the truth movement (as i call it) and there are plenty of links to other sites on there too.

The Madrid attacks were staged. Its part of a globalist movement, why do you think leaders from around the world and other famous political figure heads such as Henry Kissenger attend the skull and bones meetings and rituals at places such as Bohemian Grove in San Francisco???

If this so *true*, then why are making the US the enemy?

so after 34,692 people, 82% are just lone nuts?

Yes

it doesnt matter that it's charlie sheen coming out, it's the fact that it's a public figure that people can relate to. when people like me or winmacsta try to say anything, people scoff... there has to be a public figure that's willing to put their credibility on the line for people to become interested.

WOOEH

daaman64... youre only regurgitating the "official" facts back at us when they are blatantly wrong. this is what we're trying to convey to the masses. just saying "what, the planes didnt fly into the towers?" and "there WERE al qaeda members on the planes!" doesnt mean anything. youre overlooking every fact that is brought up like " Why did WTC7 building fall?" "What happened to the millions of dollars in gold that was located under WTC1 and 2?" "why was nearly no debris found in Shanksville?" "where is the rest of the Pentagon footage?"

This isn't official information from the government dude, it is from a third party research organization.

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You bring up legit questions, but I hate that we jump to such negative conclusions, I am fighting this as I don't feel it is the truth and because I can debate regardless if I have very little evidence.

instead it's always the same replies from people like yourself... all they do is call us names, tell us we're crazy and go back into our holes. time and time again it's the same reaction instead of doing anything to prove us wrong. these people NEED to research and NEED to watch the numerous documentaries, judge the presented facts and then try to disprove them. you cant.

Looks like I provided a lot of information, jerk. You haven't made anything but comments w/ no sources. Oh and you can't disprove consiracy theories very easy, especially ones 5 years in the making.

you cant disprove that fire couldnt destroy the steel towers. you cant disprove that the towers were built to withstand planes bigger than those that hit the towers, and multiple planes. you cant disprove that the towers fell in freefall, which is only possible w/ controlled demolitions. you cant disprove that WTC7 was a controlled demolition.

Steel can melt with fire, controlled demolittions require detcord, which cannot be hidden.

also, it has been proven that making those cell phone calls is next to impossible http://www.physics911.net/cellphoneflight93.htm

So your telling me that all those poeple who died cooperated with the government within a just a few minutes of being placed on the plane after being dropped off by the people they later called? Just as radical as "making the calls""

and honestly, just think logically for a second... al qaeda plans 9/11 from caves in afghanistan, uses inexperienced pilots to hit 4 bullseyes, hijacks the planes with BOXCUTTERS (oh no!), and finally, FTW, magically takes out the WTC7 building in late afternoon. c'mon.

First it was early moring.

They all went to flight school.

Boxcutters look sharp from threatening people, that threaten a bomb as well.

And again it was early moring.

and finally, here's a quote from a recent PrisonPlanet article:

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/march...harliesheen.htm

"Over the past two years, scores of highly regarded individuals have gone public to express their serious doubts about 9/11. These include former presidential advisor and CIA analyst Ray McGovern, the father of Reaganomics and former Assistant Secretary of the US Treasury Paul Craig Roberts, BYU physics Professor Steven Jones, former German defense minister Andreas von Buelow, former MI5 officer David Shayler, former Blair cabinet member Michael Meacher, former Chief Economist for the Department of Labor during President George W. Bush's first term Morgan Reynolds and many more." <-- are these people credible enough?

Nope none of em.

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gunnerhkjp --- you could find plenty of information on the internet though.... you dont have to come here to find the facts. we're here to discuss the 9/11 coverup, but of course it always ends in name calling and arguments.

debating is bad ok great.

the vast majority of the American public have no idea b/c they are brainwashed by the media, the government, and "terrorist" drama shows like 'The Unit' and '24' ... and they continue to waste brainpower on things like watching sports, celebrities, and watching reality shows. im not trying to say it's bad to watch sports and American Idol, but most people get so addicted to them they start to blur reality.

A. I don't watch any of those shows.

B. Would the American public like drama like conspiracies then? You know like the pole says.

C. Brainwashed by the Government? Media? Hahaha, I don't think I can be brainwashed by both of them as they each have their own standpoint. Also, the Government has almost no voice, as the media ripes them appart when they open their mouths.

im actually really surprised to see the media give the Charlie Sheen topic so much attention... it's very unlike the media...

No it's not, they love this stuff.

a good place to start is www.prisonplanet.com or www.infowars.com ... Alex Jones is a huge advocate of the truth movement (as i call it) and there are plenty of links to other sites on there too.

Oh yes start with theorys, don't start with what we actually know, that'll get ya going strong. :/

How's it a theory when the government can't even answer the questions to these so called theories?

Why don't you look at infowars.com, instead of just looking at what the government has presented us with, the government is just as human as everyone else!

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debating is bad ok great.

A. I don't watch any of those shows.

B. Would the American public like drama like conspiracies then? You know like the pole says.

C. Brainwashed by the Government? Media? Hahaha, I don't think I can be brainwashed by both of them as they each have their own standpoint. Also, the Government has almost no voice, as the media ripes them appart when they open their mouths.

No it's not, they love this stuff.

Oh yes start with theorys, don't start with what we actually know, that'll get ya going strong. :/

How's it a theory when the government can't even answer the questions to these so called theories?

Because it is a waste of time and money, to the government, they may know the truth and that's all that matters, besides maybe we haven't rangled up anough people to get anough of the governments attention. No biggie.

It is a theory, theories are based on facts but are not proven. This would be the case, as they theory has not been proven.

Why don't you look at infowars.com, instead of just looking at what the government has presented us with, the government is just as human as everyone else!

erm... It was a research organization not related to the gonvernment, sorry it's not info wars, I will work on that.

Have I not made valid points in my posts?

I don't find them valid, because yet again your open to only one view on the 9/11 tragedy and that is what the government tells you. If you are unwilling to look at anything else but towards sources that believe this was done by Al Qaeda, then you will NEVER ever see it any other way.

So again I wouldn't consider your points valid because you only look at one view and that is supporting the same story you hear from places such as Fox News, this current Administration, and the Government.

Because it is a waste of time and money, to the government, they may know the truth and that's all that matters, besides maybe we haven't rangled up anough people to get anough of the governments attention. No biggie.

It is a theory, theories are based on facts but are not proven. This would be the case, as they theory has not been proven.

erm... It was a research organization not related to the gonvernment, sorry it's not info wars, I will work on that.

Have I not made valid points in my posts?

I don't find them valid, because yet again your open to only one view on the 9/11 tragedy and that is what the government tells you. If you are unwilling to look at anything else but towards sources that believe this was done by Al Qaeda, then you will NEVER ever see it any other way.

This again? :rolleyes: I have used a resource from an independent research company not affiliated with the US government and not biased either way. I am deeply sorry it isn't from infowars, which I do read, but I don't like, because it is very dramatazided like TV news, which I don't watch.

So again I wouldn't consider your points valid .

This is such bs dude, your not looking at my stuff from "equally" valid places, infact my source doesn't even take sides! Dude once again your redicuolous all your listening to is what you want to hear.

because you only look at one view and that is supporting the same story you hear from places such as Fox News, this current Administration, and the Government

I have to repeat this yet again???????? This is crazy!!! How can I be looking at only one view when the governemnt and the media both take a different stand point!!!! I have read infowars and seen the freakin evidence, and all it is is dramatasized stuff to promote the theory!!! I am not hitting it's credibility I am just not emotially moved by it! Give a break buddy and read the stuff I wrote! Your crazy!!!

I never just use infowars.com for my sources, I use over 50 sites for my information, and not just infowars.com so that comment is irrelevant....

Most of your links basically lean towards the fact that Bin Laden planned and conducted these attacks, no matter whether the sources are independent or not. They are not looking at other people that could have conducted these attacks. Also absolutely none of them answer the questions people such as Sheen and Alex Jones have brought up! Which is what this topic is about!!!

Your crazy :rofl: !!! because as you would say...your obsessed with your view point that Al Qaeda must have done this!!

I get a kick out of this :laugh:

Most of your links basically lean towards the fact that Bin Laden planned and conducted these attacks, no matter whether the sources are independent or not. They are not looking at other people that could have conducted these attacks. Also absolutely none of them answer the questions people such as Sheen and Alex Jones have brought up! Which is what this topic is about!!!

I post my reason for those links and what they suggest, there is no "otherside" because these are all facts, there is no "otherside" in facts, facts are facts.

Your crazy :rofl: !!! because as you would say...your obsessed with your view point that Al Qaeda must have done this!!

I get a kick out of this :laugh:

I am not obsessed with anything, I am just trying to prove you wrong.

Now buddy how can you question my sources when you get yours from Charlie Sheen.

Also sounds like you read a lot, why arn't you aware of what I stated? You seem to be looking over my argument with your thread! They arn't irrelevent points, they are valid! And they are facts from a legit orginization! Your theory is only a series of question, not even facts, and they are from an actor no less, not a expert of any kind.

Your not even reading anything I posting unless it attacks you, why am I wasting my time?

Well I'm waiting for the experts in demolition etc. to challenge Sheen's questions, whether he's an actor or not its besides the point. Have the experts challenge him and be done with it! I want to know what Silverstein(owner of the towers) meant when he said the towers were "pulled" in the PBS documentary, I want him to answer that question on live television, and I want him to see the video of himself saying this to be played to him on air!

I also want to know why he promptly took out an insurance policy covering terrorist attacks for the towers, two months before 9/11?

Also why were bomb sniffing dogs pulled from the WTC the week before the attack?

I post my reason for those links and what they suggest, there is no "otherside" because these are all facts, there is no "otherside" in facts, facts are facts.

I am not obsessed with anything, I am just trying to prove you wrong.

Now buddy how can you question my sources when you get yours from Charlie Sheen.

Also sounds like you read a lot, why arn't you aware of what I stated? You seem to be looking over my argument with your thread! They arn't irrelevent points, they are valid! And they are facts from a legit orginization! Your theory is only a series of question, not even facts, and they are from an actor no less, not a expert of any kind.

Your not even reading anything I posting unless it attacks you, why am I wasting my time?

Edited by WinMacsta06

Here is some evidence against the story:

This is taken from the American Society of Civil Engineers website:

Among the major findings, the report concluded that the towers withstood the impact of the two hijacked jetliners, and if not for the intense fire ignited by the thousands of pounds of fuel carried by the planes, and fueled by the contents of the buildings, the towers likely would have stood indefinitely. However, the two events occurring simultaneously led to the collapse.

The team also concluded that fireproofing materials adhered to the steel structure during construction were likely blown off by the impact of planes and thus left the structure more vulnerable to the heat of the fire.

This would probably also explain the noise the witnesses heard.

Also here is a picture of some of the recovery done on the pentagon, looking close you can see that there is luggage in that stack.

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I would assume this is probably after the larger remains of the jetliner were taken away. Also remember that there were multiple witnesses of the jetliner hitting the pentagon.

Understand that I am only providing evidence to counter Charlie Sheen and his groups accusations, thank you.

We need evidence to all the questions being asked, not just a picture of a piece of luggage laying on a heap of building remnants and it's in front of the Pentagon! Sheen wants questions answered about the Twin Towers! You could post a hundred pictures of that pile of remants with a piece of luggage sitting there at different angles, and it still wouldn't matter, it does NOT answer the questions, simple as that!

I want Sheen's questions answered, I want to know why Silverstein said the WTC was "pulled" in the PBS documentary. I want to know what he meant I want him to answer it personally on tv for all to see.

Again this picture has nothing to do with the questions Sheen asked! Is that so hard to understand?? Why do you post stuff that goes around the questions Sheen asked and which is what this topic is supposed to be focused on, the public needs these questions answered by Mr. Silverstein and our government!

How much more clear do I have to be??? The topic is about answering Sheen's questions don't bring up other topics on 9/11 or his personal life, answer his questions! :rolleyes:

Edited by WinMacsta06

Here is some more evidence:

Source:

"CatHerder; a member of AboveTopSecret.com"; ownership of the work to the author and AboveTopSecret.com, LLP; the title of the message thread, 9/11: A Boeing 757 Struck the Pentagon; and this full link URL: http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread79655/pg1.

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Source: http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=820812

^ There you will find additional information and a break down of each frame of that gif/video. Here is the original if you are wondering:

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We need evidence to all the questions being asked, not just a picture of a piece of luggage laying on a heap of building remnants and it's in front of the Pentagon! Sheen wants questions answered about the Twin Towers! You could post a hundred pictures of that pile of remants with a piece of luggage sitting there at different angles, and it still wouldn't matter, it does NOT answer the questions, simple as that!

I want Sheen's questions answered, I want to know why Silverstein said the WTC was "pulled" in the PBS documentary. I want to know what he meant I want him to answer it personally on tv for all to see.

Again this picture has nothing to do with the questions Sheen asked! Is that so hard to understand?? Why do you post stuff that goes around the questions Sheen asked and which is what this topic is supposed to be focused on, the public needs these questions answered by Mr. Silverstein and our government!

How much more clear do I have to be??? The topic is about answering Sheen's questions don't bring up other topics on 9/11 or his personal life, answer his questions! :rolleyes:

Sheen has clearly asked how a commercial plane hit the pentagon, and there is a how a plane hit the pentagon. Strike on Sheen dude.

Give up man its the Pentagon! Its not answering Sheen's questions, you must be having fun plastering pictures all over this discussion avoiding the questions at hand!

Yes he makes a small reference to the pentagon but almost every question revolves around the WTC but you can't seem to answer those questions, try to explain what Silverstein meant then maybe you'll look more credible. The pictures still don't answer the questions anyways so its irrelevant... :rolleyes: Get Mr. Silverstein on tv to answer what he meant by the towers were "pulled", I'm sure he'll answer that question for you, because he has yet to explain what he meant by that to anyone!

But for now it makes you look foolish because you can't answer Sheen's questions :rofl:

also this is for the most part this is unrelated, but it is funny for all:

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Give up man its the Pentagon! Its not answering Sheen's questions, you must be having fun plastering pictures all over this discussion avoiding the questions at hand!

Yes he makes a small reference to the pentagon but almost every question revolves around the WTC but you can't seem to answer those questions, try to explain what Silverstein meant then maybe you'll look more credible. The pictures still don't answer the questions anyways so its irrelevant... rolleyes.gif Get Mr. Silverstein on tv to answer what he meant by the towers were "pulled", I'm sure he'll answer that question for you, because he has yet to explain what he meant by that to anyone!

But for now it makes you look foolish because you can't answer Sheen's questions rofl.gif

This isn't small dude:

The Pentagon incident

Sheen outlined his disbelief that the official story of what happened at the Pentagon matched the physical evidence.

"Show us this incredible maneuvering, just show it to us. Just show us how this particular plane pulled off these maneuvers. 270 degree turn at 500 miles and hour descending 7,000 feet in two and a half minutes, skimming across treetops the last 500 meters."

We have not been able to confirm that a large commercial airliner hit the Pentagon because the government has seized and refused to release any footage that would show the impact.

"I understand in the interest of national security that maybe not release the Pentagon cameras but what about the Sheraton, what about the gas station, what about the Department of Transportation freeway cam? What about all these shots that had this thing perfectly documented? Instead they put out five frames that they claim not to have authorized, it's really suspicious," said Sheen.

He is implying(much of which Sheen has done) that a plane did not hit the Pentagon. I am merely proving him wrong. Which is what this discussion is for.

Source: http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/march...harliesheen.htm

OH and please no one shoot at the American's close mindedness anymore, you can clearly see from the dumb CNN poll that American's are listening to all sides.

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Reply:The biggest story to me is the WTC, it has the most evidence, the Pentagon doesn't. The Government won't even release the tapes that they had taken that had important footage of the Pentagon!

That one quote from Silverstein means alot, and the fact people have contacted him asking for him to explain what he meant with no reply is shocking!

The small fact that the bomb sniffing dogs were removed from the WTC a week before the attacks is also suspicious. This is in an issue of Popular Mechanics that I have!

You see Sheen's questions haven't been answered and neither have mine, yours however have because you only listen to the questions that have been answered (by the government, sites that you follow, etc), and you seem satisfied with what you have been told.

I am not satifised with what I have been told, because not all the questions have been answered! None of Sheen's questions nor mine have yet to be answered, nor have many others, we're not alone!

That's where you and I greatly differ, so arguing over this is irrelevent! :whistle:

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DAaaMan64:

This isn't small dude:

He is implying(much of which Sheen has done) that a plane did not hit the Pentagon. I am merely proving him wrong. Which is what this discussion is for.

Source: http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/march...harliesheen.htm

OH and please no one shoot at the American's close mindedness anymore, you can clearly see from the dumb CNN poll that American's are listening to all sides.

Edited by WinMacsta06

Reply:The biggest story to me is the WTC, it has the most evidence, the Pentagon doesn't. The Government won't even release the tapes that they had taken that had important footage!

That one quote from Silverstein means alot, and the fact people have contacted him asking for him to explain what he meant with no reply is shocking!

The small fact that the bomb sniffing dogs were removed from the WTC a week before the attacks is also suspcious. This is in an issue of Popular Mechanics that I have!

You see Sheen's questions haven't been answered and neither have mine, yours have however because you only listen to the questions that have been answered (by the government, sites that you follow, etc), and not any of the questions that have yet to be answered! That's where you and I greatly differ! :whistle:

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DAaaMan64:

This isn't small dude:

He is implying(much of which Sheen has done) that a plane did not hit the Pentagon. I am merely proving him wrong. Which is what this discussion is for.

Source: http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/march...harliesheen.htm

OH and please no one shoot at the American's close mindedness anymore, you can clearly see from the dumb CNN poll that American's are listening to all sides.

I have yet to use any Government sposored sites, and the questions about the pentagon have not been officially(by the goverment I am assuming you mean) answered by anyone.

The gif that was posted showed someting going into the Pentagon. It looks like it could have been a 747, but didnt the official story say that the plane bounced off the lawn? :whistle:

It doesnt show that in the gif. Bottom line is, if bulding 7 is fishy, the whole thing is fishy.

The gif that was posted showed someting going into the Pentagon. It looks like it could have been a 747, but didnt the official story say that the plane bounced off the lawn? :whistle:

It doesnt show that in the gif. Bottom line is, if bulding 7 is fishy, the whole thing is fishy.

It really happened in an instant, and if this is the official story wouldn't this prove that it was a commercial jetliner anyway? Besides the gif can't depict everything, I don't think you could see it bounce of the lawn in the gif even if it did. Besides at that kind of speed I would definetely think it would do something other than "bounce".

Also, I did bring up some evidence that was relevent to the WTC, right here:

Here is some evidence against the story:

This is taken from the American Society of Civil Engineers website:

Among the major findings, the report concluded that the towers withstood the impact of the two hijacked jetliners, and if not for the intense fire ignited by the thousands of pounds of fuel carried by the planes, and fueled by the contents of the buildings, the towers likely would have stood indefinitely. However, the two events occurring simultaneously led to the collapse.

The team also concluded that fireproofing materials adhered to the steel structure during construction were likely blown off by the impact of planes and thus left the structure more vulnerable to the heat of the fire.

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    • New AMD graphics driver fixes install issues and FSR 4.1 crashes on RX 7000 GPUs by Taras Buria AMD is rolling out yet another graphics driver. Version 26.6.4 is now available for download, bringing two important fixes. One is for those still using Windows 10 and having trouble installing driver 26.6.2. In fact, this patch is coming from the recently released hotfix, so it is not new if you are already running version 26.6.3. The second fix is for RX 7000 owners. AMD recently brought FSR 4.1 support to the previous-gen graphics cards, but there was a bug with certain games crashing when using FSR 4.1. I experienced this issue with Forza Horizon 6, so today's driver should take care of that. Here is the official changelog: Intermittent install issue seen when installing AMD Software: Adrenalin Edition 26.6.2 on Windows® 10 systems for Radeon™ RX 7000 series and above graphics products. Intermittent application crash may be observed in some games with AMD FSR Upscaling 4.1 enabled on Radeon™ RX 7000 series graphics products. Known issues include the following: Intermittent application crash or driver timeout may be observed while playing Battlefield™ 6 on AMD Ryzen AI 9 HX 370. AMD is actively working on a resolution with the developer to be released as soon as possible. Texture flickering or corruption may appear while playing Battlefield™ 6 with AMD Record and Stream on some AMD graphics products. AMD FSR Upscaling and AMD FSR Frame Generation may show as inactive in AMD Software: Adrenalin Edition while playing Battlefield™ 6 when enabled on Radeon™ RX 9000 series graphics products. Failure to install may be observed while installing AI Bundle components in some regions with limited access to HuggingFace and GitHub. Model flickering or rendering failure may be observed in Maxon Cinema 4D and Blender on Radeon™ RX 7000 series and above graphics products. Users experiencing this issue are recommended to install AMD Software: Adrenalin Edition 26.3.1. Intermittent application crash may be observed on some models while running Blender on Radeon™ RX 7000 series and above graphics products. Users experiencing this issue are recommended to install AMD Software: Adrenalin Edition 26.3.1. You can download the AMD Radeon driver 26.6.4 from the official website here. Full release notes are available on the same page.
    • Amazon may use OpenAI and Nova models after Anthropic reportedly raises costs by Karthik Mudaliar Amazon is reportedly considering to use OpenAI models and even its own Nova family of AI models after Anthropic raised the cost of using Claude inside Amazon services. According to a report from The Information, Amazon is weighing its options to reduce costs under a new arrangement with Anthropic. But back in April, Amazon said it would invest $5 billion more in Anthropic, with the possibility of adding up to another $20 billion if certain commercial milestones are met. That investment actually came on top of another $8 billion Amazon had already put into the Claude maker. Anthropic, meanwhile, committed to spend more than $100 billion over 10 years on AWS technologies, including Amazon’s Trainium chips. Amazon isn't just a customer of Anthropic but also one of the most important backers and cloud partners. This is why it makes it interesting that Amazon is considering other alternatives to handle its internal workloads. Although Amazon has been building its own options for a while now. Its Nova family of AI models was announced in late 2024 for Amazon Bedrock, with models aimed at text, image, and video tasks. Amazon pitched the model around cost and latency at that time. With that said, OpenAI has also become a more realistic option recently for AWS customers as well as for Amazon itself. Earlier this year, OpenAI brought its latest models and Codex coding agent to Amazon Bedrock, after changes to its previously more restrictive Microsoft cloud arrangement. This allowed AWS to serve even those customers who wanted other alternatives from Claude, without having to move workloads out of Amazon's cloud. Evaluating alternatives could also be due to commercial pressure and not necessarily a sign of a damaged partnership between Amazon and Anthropic. Whether or not Amazon is actually considering switching entirely to OpenAI's models or its own Nova models remains unknown at this moment.
    • Samsung introduces new AI classroom tools and interactive displays at ISTELive 2026 by Fiza Ali Samsung has announced several new education-focused software features and interactive displays for schools during ISTELive 2026, taking place in Orlando, Florida, from 28 June to 1 July. The focus of these updates is on making shared classroom displays easier to use for teachers while giving IT administrators more control over managing devices. One of the key additions is the Samsung Account Management Solution (AMS). In many schools, multiple teachers share the same interactive display throughout the day, which means signing in and setting everything up can become repetitive. With AMS, teachers can log in by scanning a QR code or tapping an NFC-enabled ID card. Once signed in, their personalised workspace, including wallpapers, bookmarks, app shortcuts, and files, can be instantly accessed through Home Personalisation. Samsung has also included a screen lock feature, allowing teachers to lock the display if they need to step away briefly. Furthermore, the company is also updating its Education Portal with new tools designed for school IT administrators. The portal will allow IT administrators to register teachers, enrol devices, and manage user access from a central dashboard. Administrators can also link NFC cards to teacher accounts, making sign-ins quicker across shared displays. Another addition is a Tags feature that lets schools organise displays by building or classroom. Those tags can also be used to send emergency notifications to selected Samsung Interactive Displays through compatible platforms such as InformaCast and Raptor. Moreover, the tech giant's AI Assistant is gaining several new features aimed at supporting everyday classroom tasks such as lesson planning and classroom engagement. One of the features is Circle to Search, which lets teachers circle text or images on the display to quickly find related information, videos, or web results without interrupting the lesson. The content can then be brought into Samsung Whiteboard. Another feature, Live Transcript, converts spoken lessons into real-time captions, which could be useful for students with hearing impairments or those in multilingual classrooms. The AI Assistant also introduces AI Summary and AI Quiz. The summary tool creates summaries of recorded lessons, while AI Quiz generates questions based on lesson content so teachers can quickly check how well students are following along. Teachers signed in through Samsung AMS can also return to their previous AI-generated lesson materials without logging in again. Alongside the software updates, Samsung has expanded its Android-based Interactive Display range with three new models: the WAF-S, WAFX-PS, and WAHX-M. The WAF-S and WAFX-PS ship with Android 16, bringing updates to security, accessibility, and overall usability while maintaining compatibility with Google's education services including Google Classroom and Google Drive through EDLA certification. Meanwhile, the new WAHX-M is the biggest addition to the lineup, introducing a 98-inch display for larger spaces such as lecture halls and conference rooms. It will also be available in 65-inch, 75-inch and 86-inch sizes. Samsung says the WAHX-M further includes on-device AI features such as voice commands, text-to-speech, and an AI calculator, alongside support for Samsung AMS and AI Assistant. Samsung AI Assistant has been available since April, while Samsung AMS and the updated Education Portal will begin rolling out in July.
    • It's been $24 (single) or $89 (4-pack) for many days on both Amazon and Walmart as far as I know. That isn't a big discount. If these end up like the 1st gen, the 4-pack will routinely get down around $80, give or take a dollar. I think they have even hit $69 at times.
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