entry level dSLR

[lawtai]

the dpa account is the "Dell Preferred Account." It's basically if you have their credit card. Most people probably don't, so you won't get that extra 2% savings, which isn't that much. Still only about 540ish without the 2% savings. My guess is it doesn't last longer htan the week, but I'm sure dell will have the sale again in the future.

[Draconian Guppy]

the dpa account is the "Dell Preferred Account." It's basically if you have their credit card. Most people probably don't, so you won't get that extra 2% savings, which isn't that much. Still only about 540ish without the 2% savings. My guess is it doesn't last longer htan the week, but I'm sure dell will have the sale again in the future.

they all say "expire: 00/00/00" Maybe forever :blink: ?

[Draconian Guppy]

Dang with those rebates on dell, the pentax *ist DL is around $479 !!! :wacko: !

[lawtai]

heh, I just picked up the d50 with the 18-55 lens for 575 after taxes. boo to them having a taxable location in NY.

[Pink Floyd Veteran]

(Y)

[lawtai]

aww boo, it's 6 weeks till delivery... oh well i'll just have to wait to get it i guess.

[Draconian Guppy]

heh, I just picked up the d50 with the 18-55 lens for 575 after taxes. boo to them having a taxable location in NY.

(Y) good pick up mate!!!

aww boo, it's 6 weeks till delivery... oh well i'll just have to wait to get it i guess.

How come 6 weeks till delivery ? :no: that's roughly almost 3 months :pinch:

Argghhhh If I had the money right now... oh well hope it's still there by the time I get the cash...

[sfalcon]

(Y) good pick up mate!!!

How come 6 weeks till delivery ? :no: that's roughly almost 3 months :pinch:

Argghhhh If I had the money right now... oh well hope it's still there by the time I get the cash...

Err...what? That's a month and a half.

[Draconian Guppy]

Err...what? That's a month and a half.

yeah... I was thinking "work weeks" ( Eg- monday-friday)... :blush:

[lawtai]

I noticed that the "sale" they had is supposed to expire on 4/20, so I'm not sure what the price of the camera'll be afterwards. Hopefully I won't have to actually wait the whole 5 weeks before I get the camera, but if so, I'll just start reading up on how to use the camera.

[Pink Floyd Veteran]

hmmm 6 weeks, the camera can be b/o. The D50 is such popular at the moment..

Just to try to get the new 18-200 VR2 Nikkor lens and you'll see ;)

[lawtai]

yea, i've noticed lots of places having sales on the D50 recently, and I think nikon lowered the price on the camera based on what their website said. i guess i'll just be patient and wait to get it.

[Draconian Guppy]

Well i've been doing a lot of reading on the entry level dSLR's, most of them mentioned in this thread. Most important thing I read was " Are you planning on buying any more lenses after you purchase a dslr with a 18-55". My answer to that is leaning a lot towards no. And suggestions on many websites to that is, get a high end prosumer SLR-like camera. Like a Fujifilm Finepix s9000, Kodak p880, Panasomic FZ-30 and so on, The only thing holding me back on my final choice is image quality, which I know dSLR stand out in that area, But like I said before, I really don't think I'll be purchasing another lense after the one that comes bundled ( 18-55mm), Maybe a year after I actually buy the camera. So my question is, will the standard 18-55mm Fit my needs and be better off than those fixed lens slr-like cameras? And in terms of "lens capability" will I be better off with 18-55 or 28-80mm, Pink floyd repplied it's subjective, but I want to know experiences from you people who seem to have used these lenses a lot..

Edited April 14, 2006 by maudit

[dailyplanet]

So my question is, will the standard 18-55mm Fit my needs and be better off than those fixed lens slr-like cameras? And in terms of "lens capability" will I be better off with 18-55 or 28-80mm, Pink floyd repplied it's subjective, but I want to know experiences from you people who seem to have used these lenses a lot..

What are your "needs?" Also, why don't you try both out before deciding instead of taking other ppl's word for it? If you're that stuck on the fence, go to your local Ritz Camera or whatnot, try both DSLR and SLR-like cameras. See which one satisfies you in terms of image quality, ask the guy/gal who works there about lenses and such.

[Draconian Guppy]

Well my needs, good low iso performance and high image quality..

Thing is the only ones they have available here for "Testing" are the Rebel XT and nikon d70, no High End Pro-sumer cameras, hence why i'm asking here...

[Fred Pocius 406]

http://www.buydig.com/shop/product.aspx?sku=CNDRXT1855B

I bought my Canon 20D from here, did the free shipping and got it 4 days...

[j005u]

somebody mentioned a 17-200 tokina (i think it was tokina :p)...

i know you're not considering it so it doesn't really matter but if you were i'd discourage you.

it's a fact that the bigger the range the worse the image quailty and light power (that's probably not the right term in english but you get the idea).

the longer the range the more lenses it needs so the quality degrades.

fixed lenses are of the highest quality but that's not really very good for 'carry around'.

so if you can get the 18-55 for a good price go for it.

then again i'm no expert and if someone says i'm terribly wrong then they just might be right.

i myself am using a Canon EOS 20D with a Sigma 17-70 (new model...they say it's a lot better then the 'stuff' sigma used to make.) with macro and whatnot and allmost compares to similar Canon lenses.

[dailyplanet]

Well my needs, good low iso performance and high image quality..

Thing is the only ones they have available here for "Testing" are the Rebel XT and nikon d70, no High End Pro-sumer cameras, hence why i'm asking here...

High ISO doesn't necessarily mean poor image quality. The D50 only has a minimum ISO of 200 while most Canons have ISO of 100. Regardless, both Nikon and Canon take great pictures. And believe it or not, Wal-Mart carries the D50 (and SLR-like cameras).

[Monkeh]

Well my needs, good low iso performance and high image quality..

Thing is the only ones they have available here for "Testing" are the Rebel XT and nikon d70, no High End Pro-sumer cameras, hence why i'm asking here...

Check pbase.com and see if the pro-sumer point and shoots meet your ISO and IQ expectations. IMO, ISO performance and image quality are two of major pros of DSLRs, but if you can live with what you see on pbase...

[Draconian Guppy]

http://www.buydig.com/shop/product.aspx?sku=CNDRXT1855B

I bought my Canon 20D from here, did the free shipping and got it 4 days...

Sadly not in the US, So I guess the MIR doesn't apply to me :no:

somebody mentioned a 17-200 tokina (i think it was tokina :p)...

i know you're not considering it so it doesn't really matter but if you were i'd discourage you.

it's a fact that the bigger the range the worse the image quailty and light power (that's probably not the right term in english but you get the idea).

the longer the range the more lenses it needs so the quality degrades.

fixed lenses are of the highest quality but that's not really very good for 'carry around'.

so if you can get the 18-55 for a good price go for it.

then again i'm no expert and if someone says i'm terribly wrong then they just might be right.

i myself am using a Canon EOS 20D with a Sigma 17-70 (new model...they say it's a lot better then the 'stuff' sigma used to make.) with macro and whatnot and allmost compares to similar Canon lenses.

Odd you're the first person to not recommend getting a 17-200mm ( or similar), how come? Yeah I guess I'll be going for the 18-55mm, since the 28-80mm has only positive feedback on kenrockwell.com

High ISO doesn't necessarily mean poor image quality. The D50 only has a minimum ISO of 200 while most Canons have ISO of 100. Regardless, both Nikon and Canon take great pictures. And believe it or not, Wal-Mart carries the D50 (and SLR-like cameras).

I agree, atlhough High ISO would mean probably noiser images, which in my book are disliked :cool:

Check pbase.com and see if the pro-sumer point and shoots meet your ISO and IQ expectations. IMO, ISO performance and image quality are two of major pros of DSLRs, but if you can live with what you see on pbase...

Yeah been checking on pbase a lot, thanks to one of your posts back earlier in this thread.

Either way, I think I'll pick the D50, since the only pro-sumer fixed lens who gets good reviews against dSLR cameras is the Sony R-1 Costs over $900, which is WAY over my $700 budget.

Thanks for all your replies :D really helped toward my decision, anyway, in other question I'll be posting again for you thoughts/knowledge :)

Edited April 15, 2006 by maudit

[Draconian Guppy]

Well after reading kenrockwells review @ KenRockwell.com, of the *ist DS, might go that way, not so sure yet, but the AA is a very good pro and the 11 AF points are nice as well, anyway, got a couple of weeks before pay day to decide + the "i'm sure I want it, but is it really what I want decision time...", Just updating what i've found that could be useful for others... I wish my local stores had more dSLR brands like olympus, pentax, etc. To try them out myself, but sadly, online reviews will have to do. We are so far behind in everything...

[Pink Floyd Veteran]

Can I ask you a question? Why low iso performance? Usually, ppl search for high iso performance since low light is often a problem.

D50 is known to be awsome at higher ISO with lower noise. But this is something very hard to see anyway IMO..

[lawtai]

woohoo! my camera has been shipped by dell! Should be getting it within a few days.

[Draconian Guppy]

Can I ask you a question? Why low iso performance? Usually, ppl search for high iso performance since low light is often a problem.

D50 is known to be awsome at higher ISO with lower noise. But this is something very hard to see anyway IMO..

sorry my bad, I meant "low noise performance"... :wacko:

Been checking out lately the Konica Minolta Maxxum 5D any feedback on that camera? (aside it not being in production )

@lawtai! :woot: be sure to post pics of the camera, pics taken by the camera !