Chris Pirillo says it like it is...

[David24]

I agree lets all go get Macs, who's with me!?

We can all buy Mac Mini's. There almost less money then Vista Ultimate alone!!

Who's with me?!

No one? Ok then I guess were stuck with Vista.

I do agree Vista looks like a cross between Windows 2000, WinXp and the Mac operating systems.

[MtnDewCodeRedFreak]

They have already started on SP3. All the fixes following SP2 (quite a lot of fixes in fact) are part of SP3.

SP3 won't be nearly as dramatic as SP2; SP2 was a rare exception in that it brought in a nice handful of new features to XP.

And IE 7, WMP11, etc would be included in SP3.

[Jedipottsy]

You whinning inbred idiots!

For god sake, would you rather just have XP re-skinned?

Vista is a large undertaking. It will overtake windows XP, which is the largest OS in use, with Microsoft accounting for 90% of the computer market.

Don't get me wrong, i like linux - but its not for everyone. I tried setting Ubuntu for some mates, and they hated it. They had pretty generic hardware but things weren't smooth at all. And alot of the programs and applications they liked just wouldnt run. They liked cedega but didnt see why they had to pay an annual fee for something which didnt run as well as it could on their windows partitions.

Mac OSX - perfect for "Some" people. Ie the people who just have a small task of things to do, ie Video editing, Audio editing, web browsing and some office work. For anything else i find Mac OSX to be very undesireable. Also i love building my own computers - its fun and i get to be in control, which is why i dont use Mac. I do however consider the macbook and macbook pro to be excellent, and with bootcamp they are very nice pieces of hardware, im saving to buy a macbook because i only need to web-browse and do some word processing.

Windows - love it or hate it, but its the ONLY OS that does it all right. It works on all 99% of the consumer hardware sold, it runs majority of the apps made, M$ created excellent APi's which help developers.

[chavo]

You whinning inbred idiots!

For god sake, would you rather just have XP re-skinned?

Vista is a large undertaking. It will overtake windows XP, which is the largest OS in use, with Microsoft accounting for 90% of the computer market.

Don't get me wrong, i like linux - but its not for everyone. I tried setting Ubuntu for some mates, and they hated it. They had pretty generic hardware but things weren't smooth at all. And alot of the programs and applications they liked just wouldnt run. They liked cedega but didnt see why they had to pay an annual fee for something which didnt run as well as it could on their windows partitions.

Mac OSX - perfect for "Some" people. Ie the people who just have a small task of things to do, ie Video editing, Audio editing, web browsing and some office work. For anything else i find Mac OSX to be very undesireable. Also i love building my own computers - its fun and i get to be in control, which is why i dont use Mac. I do however consider the macbook and macbook pro to be excellent, and with bootcamp they are very nice pieces of hardware, im saving to buy a macbook because i only need to web-browse and do some word processing.

Windows - love it or hate it, but its the ONLY OS that does it all right. It works on all 99% of the consumer hardware sold, it runs majority of the apps made, M$ created excellent APi's which help developers.

Hi welcome to NeoWhine! Great first post (Y)

[kaiwai]

UI is the latest thing on my list...and the retard like Chris can't see a lot. Nobody ever talks here about kernel, NTFS system, DX10.0, Full Backup feature....**** like i care how the OS looks. OSX might looks nice, but Mac OS was and it will be a crap..Windows outperforms OSX in every aspect...especially in gaming...

Btw I always use classic feel and look (windows 95)....

He mentioned a GNOME, KDE...give me a ****ing break...Linux is the most retarded OS....

Star Wars Episode I was a good movie...I don't know what was he expecting but...probably Saw II is good movie for him and people similar to him...

1) KDE and GNOME do not equate to Linux - KDE and GNOME are available on FreeBSD, NetBSD, OpenBSD, Linux, OpenSolaris.

2) What is wrong with GNOME or KDE? if you're running GNOME or KDE, with all KDE or GNOME applications, all of them integrate well into the desktop, infact, alot better than what Microsoft achieves; take a look at the consistancy of GNOME applications when running in GNOME for example.

3) I prefer the 'classic' look; give me a CDE like user inteface with vector based icons, and anti-aliasing for text, and I'd be a happy man (aka XFCE)

[Mathiasdm]

I agree!

OS X and Windows users always go on about how 'the Linux interface sucks' (even though Linux can look like anything you want), but Linux is the OS with vector based icons and nice effects using AIGLX and Compiz.

Linux isn't what it used to be. It's good.

That said, I do hope Vista turns out better than what most people are saying about it!

[Kirkburn]

That said, I do hope Vista turns out better than what most people are saying about it!

Most of those people probably haven't even tried it ... but self-satisfied "I could do this better than you" always takes over anyway. :|

[lol911]

Most people are saying what of it? From what I hear, RC1 was a big step up the chain, am I right?

[AndyD]

Some of you are way too anal about this. Who gives a crap if say the folder summary dialog box is still unchanged? Comments like this imo are pretty funny. I've been running Pre RC1 for the past week and I haven't once thought to myself that the UI is any way off like some of you are complaining. Yeah, there might be some slight inconsistency here and there but does that really warrant the panning of the OS?

Edited September 4, 2006 by AndyD

[Shadrack]

I don't think Microsoft could make a consistent Interface in an operating system. Windows is too big, too many fingers in the pie. Each group with its brilliant ideas. That's why Windows will never be consistent. :ermm:

Hey. When are Microsoft getting started on SP3 for Windows XP? :shifty: That's something I'm definitely interested in.

It is actually quite simple to get a consistent UI. First you have one group just working on the Windows API. Then you get the other groups just to use the API that the first group gave you. Microsoft has been telling developers for years just to rely on the Windows API and your application will look consistent w/ Windows. Too bad Microsoft can't take its own advice. It is really sad that Mozilla Firefox looks more consistent w/ the rest of Windows then Microsoft Office 2003 or Windows Media Player :p :puke:. I guess each group at Microsoft enjoys reinventing the wheel...no wonder it takes them so long to release anything.

[LiGhTfast]

I dont like vista, just feels bloated and wrong tried to like it (even on rc1 now) but cant much prefered the plex mockups they made a few months ago.

Feels like i can do a task quicker in xp maybe i just have to learn the menu setups but as it is vista is a pain in the ass and for me provides no benefits over xp with a good a skin. Hope it all changes soon i used love the xp betas

[kaiwai]

I agree!

OS X and Windows users always go on about how 'the Linux interface sucks' (even though Linux can look like anything you want), but Linux is the OS with vector based icons and nice effects using AIGLX and Compiz.

Linux isn't what it used to be. It's good.

That said, I do hope Vista turns out better than what most people are saying about it!

I'd prefer to say *NIX, and basically there are over 30 desktops out there, everything from XFCE which is an uptodate version of CDE using GTK+, XPDE which is a 'Windows XP Look-a-like' writen using Delphi on Linux, to KDE and GNOME, copying to varying degrees to Windows and MacOS X ideas.

Now, I'm not going to get on the bandwagon to declare one is better than the other, but I do think that the fanboys have a look, and actually realise that innovation doesn't stop at the doorsteps of Apple and Microsoft.

[gadean]

To me, Vista feels like a step in the wrong direction. I was hoping for a more polished, professional feel - one that I can be more productive in. Vista does not offer this. It's slower, bulkier, and its interface is not consistant. There's no reason for me to upgrade.

[TruckWEB]

Most of those people probably haven't even tried it ... but self-satisfied "I could do this better than you" always takes over anyway. :|

Well, being a Beta tester, I can say that I use Vista, now with RC1 and I'm not filled with joy about this new OS. It's going nowhere and it's a UI nightmare (go read the last post of Paul Thurrott in WinSuperSite.com). And RC1 (for me) is worst than Pre-RC1 5536, I get BSOD just by importing my MP3 inside iTune, and BSOD on my laptop because it fails to go out of sleep mode. Lets not forget that dam UAC that gives me errors while reading/writing on my D:\ partition. Never had any of those problems with XP.

If you're a real Beta tester, just go read the many beta newsgroup, I'm not the only one with problems. And they call this RC1... It's a joke.

Vista, for a 5yo OS in developement, feels very incomplete and heavy. I'm looking forward to the SP1 or even then NEXT release of Windows (Vienna).

[1Frothy]

Well, being a Beta tester, I can say that I use Vista, now with RC1 and I'm not filled with joy about this new OS. It's going nowhere and it's a UI nightmare (go read the last post of Paul Thurrott in WinSuperSite.com). And RC1 (for me) is worst than Pre-RC1 5536, I get BSOD just by importing my MP3 inside iTune, and BSOD on my laptop because it fails to go out of sleep mode. Lets not forget that dam UAC that gives me errors while reading/writing on my D:\ partition. Never had any of those problems with XP.

If you're a real Beta tester, just go read the many beta newsgroup, I'm not the only one with problems. And they call this RC1... It's a joke.

Vista, for a 5yo OS in developement, feels very incomplete and heavy. I'm looking forward to the SP1 or even then NEXT release of Windows (Vienna).

;) Tell me about it, Windows XP installs on my AMD / Nvidia based PC with 3GB DDR without a hitch and Vista stumbles, trips - exit stage left, dies with a BSOD. Definately not something that should be happening with an RC1 build - Beta 1 perhaps, but not RC1.

I feel Microsoft have squandered an amazing opportunity.

Like I've said time and time again, who hired these Interface Design folks at Microsoft? :blink:

[Hiro of Time]

Wow, I never knew guys could be so bitchy!

[Mathiasdm]

I'd prefer to say *NIX, and basically there are over 30 desktops out there, everything from XFCE which is an uptodate version of CDE using GTK+, XPDE which is a 'Windows XP Look-a-like' writen using Delphi on Linux, to KDE and GNOME, copying to varying degrees to Windows and MacOS X ideas.

Now, I'm not going to get on the bandwagon to declare one is better than the other, but I do think that the fanboys have a look, and actually realise that innovation doesn't stop at the doorsteps of Apple and Microsoft.

You're correct. Sorry about that ;-)

However, my point still stands :p