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I think he says 6. Try to say it at the same time as he does it... with "ten" you wouldn't "put" your upper and lower teeth together twice, but with six you would (one for "sss" and another one for "iks"), if that makes any sense.

Besides, the cop says "six", then he mouths "six". It makes sense. The way he asks how many of his friends he had killed suggest that he doesnt GIVE A DAMN about how many. The joker doesnt strike me as one who keeps a count, let alone someone who would know out of nowhere how many of his victims are related to the person he's talking to. How can the joker know better than the cop how many of the people he's killed were the cop's friends? The joker didnt ask how many cops have I killed, he asks how many of your friends have I killed.

It's more effective and antagonising for the Joker to say friends than cops. The Joker isn't talking about cops in general as this could be faaaaar more, he's talking about the deaths of cops around that guard. Furthermore he doesn't know how many of his associates he has killed, this is why he asks. When he finds that it is six he gives a look of thought and mouths ten as in "well it's about to become ten". The Joker needs the guard to come over and fight him in order to gain a hostage and get out of the holding cell. As you can imagine it would be far harder to take the guard by surprise if the Joker were to stand up and come towards him as the guard would be able to prepare himself for the attack. So the Joker must antagonise the guard in every way he can so that the guard comes over to the Joker and the Joker can have more of a surprise attack on him.

I'm not arguing the 'ten' case for nothing, simply because I believe it is ten and I can't see how so many people can be so adamant that it's six and DEFINATELY NOT ten when there's no confirmation so far what-so-ever. I'm fully prepared for it to be six and accept that it could be. I just don't understand how people can't even accept it could be ten when the two words look so similar when mouthed, especially with the Joker's exaggerated and crazy expression.

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I'm not arguing the 'ten' case for nothing, simply because I believe it is ten and I can't see how so many people can be so adamant that it's six and DEFINATELY NOT ten when there's no confirmation so far what-so-ever.

I can be so adamant about it because he clearly says six. Look at the way his teeth are when he finishes say the number. There's no n there. There is an x though.

What I fail to understand is why this is so important. How does this effect the storyline one bit?

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I can be so adamant about it because he clearly says six. Look at the way his teeth are when he finishes say the number. There's no n there. There is an x though.

What I fail to understand is why this is so important. How does this effect the storyline one bit?

It doesn't Affect the storyline, but we are discussing it in here because some people are bothered about it. If you're not, don't comment on it in your posts. I thought this was a general Dark Knight discussion thread and this is such a small point it need not have it's own thread.

I say there is clearly a n at the end as he says ten then closes his lips. If you say ten to yourself normally you open and close your mouth and that's pretty much it, but if you try to exaggerate the word to make it clear to someone who cannot hear you then it can be misinterpretted as a six as well.

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The Joker could not have known how many friends of that particular cop he killed, or was about to kill. There was no way for the Joker to know that six of his friends were killed and that he was about to kill four, not three, nor six, more. Just leave it at six for crying out loud.

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I just don't understand how people can't even accept it could be ten when the two words look so similar when mouthed, especially with the Joker's exaggerated and crazy expression.

Jokers expression is surprise or shock to go along with mouthing what the officers answers(which is six). It's supposed to be funny.

I would gladly bet all my belongings on that.

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Smashing Pumpkin

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The Joker could not have known how many friends of that particular cop he killed

Why he asked.

or was about to kill.

He was in the holding cell where there are four guards / or he made a good duess as to how many qwould eb killed by the cell phones explosion to antagonise the guard for reasons I have already detailed.

Just leave it at six for crying out loud.

Just accept it could be ten as it easily could be.

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See, that's the thing. It is more likely 6 considering 6 is actually stated in the film. There's no other evidence to suggest 10 other than what you think you're seeing.

I'm afraid I fail to see your logic. The way you say that is like you expect to be spoonfed all the information in a film and not look into it at all, sorry, that's not a personal insult or anything I just think, along with many others, that it COULD be ten. I'm not so stupid as to think it could be fifteen or one or dog or one hundered. Many think it could be ten.

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I'm afraid I fail to see your logic. The way you say that is like you expect to be spoonfed all the information in a film and not look into it at all, sorry, that's not a personal insult or anything I just think, along with many others, that it COULD be ten. I'm not so stupid as to think it could be fifteen or one or dog or one hundered. Many think it could be ten.

OK, not sure how someone can fail to see that logic. The logic is simple, there's nothing in the film to suggest he stated 10 other than what you and few other people saw, but how about this...

According to people from around the internet, in other countries where subtitles were added, it states six during that scene. Why would Warner Brothers have six dubbed there if he stated 10?

If it adds nothing to the storyline and nothing else suggests anything other than six, why would he mouth 10? It makes no sense. I'm failing to see your logic.

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OK, not sure how someone can fail to see that logic. The logic is simple, there's nothing in the film to suggest he stated 10 other than what you and few other people saw, but how about this...

According to people from around the internet, in other countries where subtitles were added, it states six during that scene. Why would Warner Brothers have six dubbed there if he stated 10?

If it adds nothing to the storyline and nothing else suggests anything other than six, why would he mouth 10? It makes no sense. I'm failing to see your logic.

That's not a logical explanation of what could have been happening in the film, that's proof that it is ten - nothing to do with what we were talking about which is what if it was ten, it would still have worked in the story.

If it is true about foreign prints being subtitled with six then that's cool. An end to this argument. But ten would still have logically worked.

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Hurmoth

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That's not a logical explanation of what could have been happening in the film, that's proof that it is ten - nothing to do with what we were talking about which is what if it was ten, it would still have worked in the story.

If it is true about foreign prints being subtitled with six then that's cool. An end to this argument. But ten would still have logically worked.

So would have 15 or 20, or 100. Or 60. Any number would have made sense with your logic.

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Am I the only one who thought Batman's voice was just fine in the movie? He's constantly fighting and moving around and being Batman; he's going to sound a little breathless when he speaks. Plus, although Christian Bale is an actor, Bruce Wayne is not. At times he's going to mess up on his voice acting. It's more real that way. I understood every word he said, and I watched it at an IMAX theatre too, where the sound can get really loud.

Am I the only one who thought Batman's voice was just fine in the movie? He's constantly fighting and moving around and being Batman; he's going to sound a little breathless when he speaks. Plus, although Christian Bale is an actor, Bruce Wayne is not. At times he's going to mess up on his voice acting. It's more real that way. I understood every word he said, and I watched it at an IMAX theatre too, where the sound can get really loud.

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I would imagine as a wildy successful and influential person, Bruce Wayne's voice would be pretty well known. I always thought of it as his way of helping to protect his identity. Think of how easy it is to spot someone's voice, when they do voice overs for commercials and stuff.

Just my opinion though

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I would imagine as a wildy successful and influential person, Bruce Wayne's voice would be pretty well known. I always thought of it as his way of helping to protect his identity. Think of how easy it is to spot someone's voice, when they do voice overs for commercials and stuff.

Just my opinion though

Its not the change of voice people is complaining. After all, in batman begins it was just fine (and hadnt that been used in previous batman movies?). The thing is, it was kinda difficult to understand him and he always sounded kinda breathless.

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I see it as this: The Joker just mouths six to fake concern, is as easy as that.

Read my mind. He says "six" to sarcastically give his concern, like "wow, six."

I have no idea why he would say 10. I highly doubt that he knows the officer he's talking to and who he was friends with, so how on earth would he know he's killed 10 of his friends? If you mean 10 officers, I think the Joker killed more than that.

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