Andy1369 Posted November 20, 2006 Author Share Posted November 20, 2006 Since I obviously have to prove I'm a beta tester, and that I'm running a legit copy, see the picture - I know it doesn't have my name... but I swear I am a beta tester. Also, here's a screenshot of the final RTM's help file. Look, I don't really know how I can prove that I'm a tester without giving out my personal information, but I SWEAR I AM A BETA TESTER. Some of you may have seen me in the newsgroups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McoreD Posted November 20, 2006 Share Posted November 20, 2006 Bad news, guys. =/ You know how, when you purchased an upgrade version of XP, you could still do a clean install, and XP Setup would detect older versions of Windows, or you insert a disk and Windows would accept the older product and allow you to still do a clean install? Was it really so, with a upgrade XP disk? I didn't know that. I am assuming the Upgrade XP CD still can't be used in a brand new HDD where no previous OS is installed? Thats how I would have expected an upgrade version to act..... Me too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denis W. Veteran Posted November 20, 2006 Veteran Share Posted November 20, 2006 Andy13 said: Since I obviously have to prove I'm a beta tester, and that I'm running a legit copy, see the picture - I know it doesn't have my name... but I swear I am a beta tester. Also, here's a screenshot of the final RTM's help file. Look, I don't really know how I can prove that I'm a tester without giving out my personal information, but I SWEAR I AM A BETA TESTER. Some of you may have seen me in the newsgroups. OK then. Bummer. On the bright side, at least you have a free copy of Vista. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chode Posted November 20, 2006 Share Posted November 20, 2006 Could you test burning the downloaded image and trying a clean-install using your XP cd as verification, then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trek Posted November 20, 2006 Share Posted November 20, 2006 Could you test burning the downloaded image and trying a clean-install using your XP cd as verification, then? there are no images of the upgrade edition discs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pikablu0530 Posted November 20, 2006 Share Posted November 20, 2006 I disagree. The Vista Upgrade disc will be bootable. Look at the following page: http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvista/getr...pgradeinfo.mspx It says there in the Notes: If you are currently using Windows 2000 Professional or Windows XP Professional x64, you are eligible for an upgrade copy to a corresponding or better edition of Windows Vista, but a clean install is required. It specifically says that an upgrade copy is possible and with that upgrade dvd, you will have to perform a clean install. This already shows that the upgrade DVD will allow you to do a clean install, provided you have an eligible copy of a previous version of Windows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy1369 Posted November 20, 2006 Author Share Posted November 20, 2006 I disagree. The Vista Upgrade disc will be bootable. Look at the following page:http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvista/getr...pgradeinfo.mspx It says there in the Notes: If you are currently using Windows 2000 Professional or Windows XP Professional x64, you are eligible for an upgrade copy to a corresponding or better edition of Windows Vista, but a clean install is required. It specifically says that an upgrade copy is possible and with that upgrade dvd, you will have to perform a clean install. This already shows that the upgrade DVD will allow you to do a clean install, provided you have an eligible copy of a previous version of Windows. Then why does the Help say that, then? Think MS just overlooked it...aha yet another result of rushing Vista??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huy Posted November 20, 2006 Share Posted November 20, 2006 I doubt this is really true. It would be a real inconvenience to end users. I think the website is correct and that MS is sticking to the old method of clean installing, using upgrade and media validation checking. Or I am wrong :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+InsaneNutter MVC Posted November 20, 2006 MVC Share Posted November 20, 2006 There is one Vista DVD for every version, Corp, OEM, Upgrade and so on.. which version is installed is determined by the cd key you use. I would imagine if you buy the upgrade version once you enter your vista cd key it will ask you to enter your xp cd key as well so it can check you actually own xp, that would make perfect sense to me. I don?t believe for one minute that you won?t be able to boot of the CD if you buy the upgrade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloatingFatMan Posted November 20, 2006 Share Posted November 20, 2006 I would imagine if you buy the upgrade version once you enter your vista cd key it will ask you to enter your xp cd key as well so it can check you actually own xp, that would make perfect sense to me. It's always puzzled my why they haven't ALWAYS done this, at least since XP anyway... Afterall, copies of the discs themselves are easy to come by, it's legitimate keys that are less easy to find. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazket Posted November 20, 2006 Share Posted November 20, 2006 Past upgrades, such as XP, would simply ask you to insert the previous versions disk, I believe and then proceed to do a clean XP install. I don't remember where, but I read elsewhere you could do "exactly the same thing" with Windows Vista upgrade kit... I wasn't "reading" things... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ambroos Posted November 20, 2006 Share Posted November 20, 2006 Just load your Vista upgrade DVD from within XP and you will be able to do a clean install over your current XP installation. Trust me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aero Ultimate Posted November 20, 2006 Share Posted November 20, 2006 Hmm... so on the one side MS says you can't do it and on the side that you can... looks like the left hand doesn't know what the right hand does :rofl: Very unprofessional. I really hope that you actually can boot from an upgrade CD, otherwise they would drive a lot more people into piracy who don't want to bother with having to install XP first each time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julius Caro Posted November 20, 2006 Share Posted November 20, 2006 It doesnt make much sense to me. The point of upgrade versions is something more "License-wise" than installation wise. They sell you a cheaper version because it is assumed (and it will be checked) that you have a previous version of windows. It would make more sense if this checked whether or not you have a LEGIT license of this previous windows version. I really don't think that microsoft would make a call like this out of their laziness of doing it the right way. But meh, what can you expect from then when the office 2000 upgrade check would take that SAME installation cd as a valid previous version! Not to mention that people format their pcs from time to time, and they just won't install XP to install vista over it. And of course the upgrade DVD will be bootable, since you need to have access to the recovery tools anyway. And, if it is not bootable, I'm sure you can still perform a clean install from within windows (either xp or vista). So either way, this can't be right!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Neo Posted November 20, 2006 Share Posted November 20, 2006 (edited) Never mind. Edited November 20, 2006 by Neowave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morpheus Phreak Posted November 20, 2006 Share Posted November 20, 2006 I can explain this rather easily actually Both sides are somewhat right and somewhat wrong. The wording in the help file is somewhat poor. Here's the easiest way to put it. With an upgrade only edition of XP you will not be able to perform a clean install from the boot process, which is why it says you cannot boot the upgrade disc to perform the install. You have to start the install from inside of another copy of Windows However you will not be able to upgrade Windows 2000 etc to Vista, you will only be able to start the install and a clean install while in the Win2k environment. It will then reboot and wipe 2k and install Vista as a fresh OS on your drive. However with XP it will be able to detect and allow you to just upgrade the OS keeping your files and settings in place and secure. The logic behind this is that Vista will be able to tell if your license has been set as a "Genuine" license via WGA. If it hasn't then Vista will not allow you to install the upgrade version which means pirates are crap out of luck here. Fun eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDrrae Posted November 20, 2006 Share Posted November 20, 2006 Does anyone know if you can upgrade to Vista from an XP Pro or 2000 Pro both upgrade edition (yes, both are legit)? I'm guessing not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gstar Posted November 21, 2006 Share Posted November 21, 2006 OK... got it... I think... :blink: :wacko: So long as you've got a full copy of XP (OEM or Retail), you'll be able to boot from the Vista "Upgrade" version, but not from "XP Upgrade" to "Vista Upgrade". Do we know if it's just based on media verification similar to XP? :ermm: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morpheus Phreak Posted November 21, 2006 Share Posted November 21, 2006 OK... got it... I think... :blink: :wacko: So long as you've got a full copy of XP (OEM or Retail), you'll be able to boot from the Vista "Upgrade" version, but not from "XP Upgrade" to "Vista Upgrade". Do we know if it's just based on media verification similar to XP? :ermm: Nope you still don't have it. Any installs from an upgrade DVD will have to be started from inside of 2000 or XP. With XP however you can choose to do an upgrade install which will leave all of your files and settings in place, or a clean install which will restart the PC and wipe everything and install Vista With 2000, it will limit you to a clean install only which means you cannot do an upgrade so all of your files and settings will be lost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gstar Posted November 21, 2006 Share Posted November 21, 2006 Thanks Morpheus - I'm totally with it now! :blush: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bangbang023 Veteran Posted November 21, 2006 Veteran Share Posted November 21, 2006 Hmm, interesting. I may wind up going with a full version, still, just for the ease of reinstalling. Then again, I don't format too often. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xerxes Posted November 21, 2006 Share Posted November 21, 2006 I that is no good :( but one thing I don't understand, aren't all the Vista DVDs suppose to be the same? I always thought that all the DVDs were exactly the same and the only thing was that different amongst the different versions was the product key? and if that is the case...how could a different product stop a disk been bootable? it could stop you doing a clean install though...but maybe I'm completely wrong, as I haven't been following Vista that closely... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy1369 Posted November 21, 2006 Author Share Posted November 21, 2006 I guess that makes sense (only allowing an upgrade/clean install from within the operating system environment) BUT BUT BUT how would users handle it if their copy of Vista got corrupted? How would they "repair" from the DVD? How would they run the Startup Repair tool? Something's just not right here. On a side note: I HATE VISTA SO MUCH! God, sorry. I know that doesn't help my cause much, nor is it necessary, but... honestly. Vista is wrong on so many levels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morpheus Phreak Posted November 21, 2006 Share Posted November 21, 2006 I guess that makes sense (only allowing an upgrade/clean install from within the operating system environment) BUT BUT BUT how would users handle it if their copy of Vista got corrupted? How would they "repair" from the DVD? How would they run the Startup Repair tool? Something's just not right here. On a side note: I HATE VISTA SO MUCH! God, sorry. I know that doesn't help my cause much, nor is it necessary, but... honestly. Vista is wrong on so many levels. The repair tools come before the install so they are still accessible from the DVD. Also to answer an earlier question yes all the DVD's are exactly the same so Xerxes what were are saying is that while the DVD is bootable you cannot just boot from the DVD and install Vista, do you see the difference? If you use a full retail copy DVD it simply will not allow an upgrade install from a DVD boot, it's disabled there as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xerxes Posted November 21, 2006 Share Posted November 21, 2006 The repair tools come before the install so they are still accessible from the DVD. Also to answer an earlier question yes all the DVD's are exactly the same so Xerxes what were are saying is that while the DVD is bootable you cannot just boot from the DVD and install Vista, do you see the difference? If you use a full retail copy DVD it simply will not allow an upgrade install from a DVD boot, it's disabled there as well. Fair enough, thx for the info :) seems rather strange way of doing it though, so an upgrade can't do a fresh install like the XP upgrade could (when you prove you own a copy of the previous OS your upgrading from) and the full install can't upgrade...seems rather odd considering that RC1 could do a clean install or upgrade...guess MS want to make it clear that the Upgrade version is only for upgrading and the Full is only for a clean install I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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