neufuse Veteran Posted November 30, 2006 Veteran Share Posted November 30, 2006 I don't think either will win, I have a feeling they will eventually merge into a hybrid disc that supports both and you can record either/or and play on a hybrid player Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/517196-hd-dvd-wins-blu-ray-loses/page/2/#findComment-588094356 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cole Posted November 30, 2006 Share Posted November 30, 2006 Hahaha, well the rootkits are what did it for me. I lost all my trust in Sony from that point forward. This is not a proprietary Sony format like Betamax was. Sony endorses it, but isn't even the main developer. O_O Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/517196-hd-dvd-wins-blu-ray-loses/page/2/#findComment-588094360 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toastyone Posted November 30, 2006 Share Posted November 30, 2006 HD-DVD beats Blu-Ray in price and quality. There's no way it can lose unless Sony does something sleazy like use its Playstation brand loyalty to force consumers to buy Blu-Ray players, thus increasing market share. Oh, wait... :p Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/517196-hd-dvd-wins-blu-ray-loses/page/2/#findComment-588094372 Share on other sites More sharing options...
1Frothy Posted November 30, 2006 Share Posted November 30, 2006 I don't think this format war is even half way through, let alone won already. :yes: It's way to early to proclaim any sort of winner here. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/517196-hd-dvd-wins-blu-ray-loses/page/2/#findComment-588094373 Share on other sites More sharing options...
1WayJonny Posted November 30, 2006 Share Posted November 30, 2006 This article is another example of analysts and haters of Sony "blowing their load" way too fast. The PS3 hasn't even been out for 2 weeks and people are already writing it off. So so foolish. This article doesn't take into account the tens of millions of PS3s that will sell in the coming years. For each PS3 that sells, there's another Blu-Ray player sold. The same cannot be said for the 360; one needs to buy a separate accessory to play high definition movies. I would hate to be the one who has to make more room in the entertainment center when it could have been built-in. Who knows, maybe HD-DVD and Blu-Ray will both fizzle out, not take flight, and some new, kick-ass format is born that sweeps the market. Bottom line: Don't write off Sony and Blu-Ray just yet. It's very foolish. There's a reason MS had that $100 sale on Amazon for their core system. They're desperate to sell systems. Yah? Well i love the fact that i can unplug from 360 and into vista external but yea... Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/517196-hd-dvd-wins-blu-ray-loses/page/2/#findComment-588094403 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ambiance Posted November 30, 2006 Share Posted November 30, 2006 the rootkits are what did it for me. I lost all my trust in Sony from that point forward. Co-sign. Toshiba also introduced the DVD with some input from Sony amongst others. The battle is far from over, but I will side with them unless Sony re-invents itself. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/517196-hd-dvd-wins-blu-ray-loses/page/2/#findComment-588094408 Share on other sites More sharing options...
EduardValencia Posted November 30, 2006 Share Posted November 30, 2006 yihhaaaa HD-DVD will win,also i have to mention that the format war si just starting,but for now HD-DVD has the lead Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/517196-hd-dvd-wins-blu-ray-loses/page/2/#findComment-588094420 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Express Posted November 30, 2006 Share Posted November 30, 2006 I think both will win. Dual capability drives are on the way. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/517196-hd-dvd-wins-blu-ray-loses/page/2/#findComment-588094423 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred Derf Veteran Posted November 30, 2006 Veteran Share Posted November 30, 2006 I did read it. I was talking about hybrid HD-dvd + dvd, but I somehow missed the part where he did mention it :pinch: That's the clear winner imho. The fact that Toshiba put so much effort into getting hd-dvd on one side and dvd on the other side is enough to win the battle :yes: I heard that Sony could also potentially do Blu-Ray + DVD hybrids but the HD-DVD + DVD hybrids, however, are already in stores and selling as we speak. The Miami Vice DVD, for example, has a HD-DVD copy of the movie included. HD-DVD certainly has the momentum. The only thing that could possibly save Blu-Ray is the PS3 and they would have to continue to sell those like there is no tomorrow. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/517196-hd-dvd-wins-blu-ray-loses/page/2/#findComment-588094431 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slimy Posted November 30, 2006 Share Posted November 30, 2006 ^ Potentially, theoretically, I don't care. Toshiba did it. They did it first. As you said, it's in store. That's what it comes down to, and that's why HD-DVD will not lose against Blu-ray. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/517196-hd-dvd-wins-blu-ray-loses/page/2/#findComment-588094438 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quick Shot Posted November 30, 2006 Share Posted November 30, 2006 Well that just answered my question on which i should get first :p Thank you :D Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/517196-hd-dvd-wins-blu-ray-loses/page/2/#findComment-588094441 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shuu Posted November 30, 2006 Share Posted November 30, 2006 i think HD-VHS will be the next big thing. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/517196-hd-dvd-wins-blu-ray-loses/page/2/#findComment-588094527 Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuarterSwede Posted November 30, 2006 Share Posted November 30, 2006 Personally, I think its too early to tell. But from Sony's past experiences with formats they endorse or come up with they usually bomb big time because they are way to proprietary and are more expensive. On the whole, I don't really get how Sony is still in business. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/517196-hd-dvd-wins-blu-ray-loses/page/2/#findComment-588094553 Share on other sites More sharing options...
osirisX Posted November 30, 2006 Share Posted November 30, 2006 HD-DVD is cheaper therefpre it will win. It's as simple as that. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/517196-hd-dvd-wins-blu-ray-loses/page/2/#findComment-588094612 Share on other sites More sharing options...
libertas83 Posted November 30, 2006 Share Posted November 30, 2006 i think HD-VHS will be the next big thing. I believe that was called D-VHS and has been around longer than HD-DVD. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/517196-hd-dvd-wins-blu-ray-loses/page/2/#findComment-588094636 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toology Posted November 30, 2006 Share Posted November 30, 2006 ATRAC, Betamax, MemoryStick, MiniDisc...it looks like Blu-Ray is next in line. From a consumer perspective "HD-DVD" just makes more sense and draws appeal. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/517196-hd-dvd-wins-blu-ray-loses/page/2/#findComment-588094655 Share on other sites More sharing options...
d3nuo Posted November 30, 2006 Share Posted November 30, 2006 im preparing to release my own format soon that will own them all. it is a design that incorporates a movie playable on VHS/CD(VCD)/DVD/HD-DVD/Blu-Ray equipment on a single hybrid cartridge design. it also comes with lots of pr0n ;) Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/517196-hd-dvd-wins-blu-ray-loses/page/2/#findComment-588094656 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrKuro Posted November 30, 2006 Share Posted November 30, 2006 I've said it from the beginning, HD-DVD will win vs Blu-Ray because of the name. People know what HD means, they know what DVD means, putting them together = "ooh, cool, high def DVD!" Howard Stern was doing a plug on his show for some Sony Vaio computer the other day with a built in BluRay player and half way though it he was like "what the f$*# is BluRay???" -- I laughed so hard I nearly pee'd myself ;) QFT ----^ I've said the same thing before, ...the average consumer will look at HDDVD, and think "hmm I have an HDTV, might as well get an HDDVD". The same Joe-Blow consumer will look at BlueRay and think "WTF is this?" Specs don't always mean its better, the average person just buys what he knows. HD & DVD are both familiar terms, so HDDVD is the obvious choice to them. I like both technologies for different reasons, and personally don't give a crap who wins, as long as that format has the media on it that I want. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/517196-hd-dvd-wins-blu-ray-loses/page/2/#findComment-588094666 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scirwode Posted November 30, 2006 Share Posted November 30, 2006 Co-sign. Toshiba also introduced the DVD with some input from Sony amongst others. The battle is far from over, but I will side with them unless Sony re-invents itself. I think that is what Sony should really be doing - reinvent themselves. They've got some great ideas but at the rate they're going, expect to see more flops in the future. Scirwode Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/517196-hd-dvd-wins-blu-ray-loses/page/2/#findComment-588094689 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Live Veteran Posted November 30, 2006 Veteran Share Posted November 30, 2006 There's a reason MS had that $100 sale on Amazon for their core system. They're desperate to sell systems. I just have to call BS on that... Amazon is having that sale, not Microsoft. And neither MS nor Amazon is having trouble selling 360s... The Xbox division is poised to have one heck of a holiday season. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/517196-hd-dvd-wins-blu-ray-loses/page/2/#findComment-588094695 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xab Posted November 30, 2006 Share Posted November 30, 2006 I heard that Sony could also potentially do Blu-Ray + DVD hybrids but the HD-DVD + DVD hybrids, however, are already in stores and selling as we speak. The Miami Vice DVD, for example, has a HD-DVD copy of the movie included. HD-DVD certainly has the momentum. The only thing that could possibly save Blu-Ray is the PS3 and they would have to continue to sell those like there is no tomorrow. I think people give too much credence to the PS3 argument, just because it happened with the PS2. Things were different at that point, there was no other format competing with DVD. The PS2 also launched in quantity at $299. The PS3 is far more expensive, and due to the Blu-ray drive, there has been a severe shortage of units. Meanwhile, Microsoft is shipping lots of HD-DVD add-on drives for the 360, and the quality of these drives beats the currently available standalone players. Add to that the fact that a standalone Blu-ray player is $999 vs. $499 for an HD-DVD player (or a combined cost of $499 for an Xbox 360 core with the HD-DVD drive), and the HD-DVD movies being cheaper, if only by a few dollars, there's really little reason to go with Blu-ray for the average consumer. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/517196-hd-dvd-wins-blu-ray-loses/page/2/#findComment-588094833 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hupp Posted November 30, 2006 Share Posted November 30, 2006 well since i just got a new HD tv im going to make the jump for the hd-dvd player for the 360 Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/517196-hd-dvd-wins-blu-ray-loses/page/2/#findComment-588094850 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMDMEFX-55 Posted November 30, 2006 Share Posted November 30, 2006 I just want to add, I own a 360 (probably could have guessed by my sig), and as soon as I get a bigger screen, I'm getting the HD-DVD addon. It's a no-brainer. Same here. I did have $400.00 to blow a week ago I was going to buy one but I just have a 30" t.v. I need a new t.v but the one I want is $6,000. I think me and my bro are going half in it so. I also think that HD-DVD sounds better then Blu-ray. Most people don't know what Blu-Ray is but know DVD so HD-DVD is not hard to understand. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/517196-hd-dvd-wins-blu-ray-loses/page/2/#findComment-588094865 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PsyOpWarlord Posted November 30, 2006 Share Posted November 30, 2006 I see HD-DVD eventually winning. I say it will come down to the Adult Porn industry and they will most likely use HD-DVD since the switchover cost is way less than it would be with Bluray. Once they start selling porn in HD-DVD there will be no way for Bluray to recover from a blow (no pun intended) like that. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/517196-hd-dvd-wins-blu-ray-loses/page/2/#findComment-588094868 Share on other sites More sharing options...
L3thal Veteran Posted November 30, 2006 Veteran Share Posted November 30, 2006 I see HD-DVD eventually winning. I say it will come down to the Adult Porn industry and they will most likely use HD-DVD since the switchover cost is way less than it would be with Bluray. Once they start selling porn in HD-DVD there will be no way for Bluray to recover from a blow (no pun intended) like that. Unless the porn industry wants to sell their films in full 1080p Blu-Ray "offers" :woot: Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/517196-hd-dvd-wins-blu-ray-loses/page/2/#findComment-588094886 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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