HD-DVD wins, Blu-Ray loses

[Hurmoth]

DVD's will win :)

Like it or not, the consumer just doesnt "need" more than 4.7GB per layer yet.

DVD's are more than big enough for what I need, and will be for quite some time. In a year or two, when suddenly 4.7GB is nowhere near enough, THEN i'll be looking to HD-DVD and BluRay :)

They don't "need" more than 4.7GB :blink: Consumers are doing more and more with their computers every single day. Yesterday they were learning how to burn music (CD), today they learned how to burn a basic home movie (DVD) and tomorrow they'll learn how to use an HD camera and then burn it to a disc (HD DVD or Blu-Ray).

There's always a need to push through the next barrier and the next one is beyond 4.7GB. With your line of thinking there, I can ask the question did we need to move from floppies to CDs? :rolleyes:

Personally, I don't care which one wins as long as it works. I don't care who backs it (Microsoft vs. Sony). If I find a movie I want that's in Blu-Ray (Saw III is coming out on Blu-Ray for example) and there's no DVD version of it, that's when I'll upgrade to Blu-Ray. Personally, I'd rather have a hybrid drive so I can read and write to both Blu-Ray and HD-DVD, so if I happen to pick the loosing technology I don't get left in the cold.

[Xero]

This is the most bias and worst written article I've read, this man is a fool. The war isn't over and HD hasn't won. It may be winning due to the costs but its clearly not over, talking about 360 winning it, because it was out for a year, the PS3 came out THIS month, and he says they've lost it. Yea ok bud.

[Hurmoth]

This is the most bias and worst written article I've read, this man is a fool. The war isn't over and HD hasn't won. It may be winning due to the costs but its clearly not over, talking about 360 winning it, because it was out for a year, the PS3 came out THIS month, and he says they've lost it. Yea ok bud.

Without turning this into a console war, the PS3 can't win because of the cost. Every person I know (personally) that had a PS2 decided to go with an XBOX 360 based on cost alone.

I'm not saying that the XBOX 360 is better than the PS3, or the PS3 is better than the XBOX 360. I'm saying that when it comes to purchasing a console this Christmas season, most parents are going to look at the XBOX 360's price, then the PS3's price and most like go with the XBOX 360 (out of those two choices, they may even end up getting the Wii instead of either of the other two consoles). Don't get me wrong though, I'm not even saying the PS3 is over priced, but Sony should have dropped the Blu-Ray drives to help keep the costs down. They invested way to much money into a technology that way to young and expensive for it to be in a console that they spent billions of dollars in R&D on. To risky in my opinion and I think it will bite them in the butt. But that's just my two cents...

[nemo]

I see HD-DVD eventually winning. I say it will come down to the Adult Porn industry and they will most likely use HD-DVD since the switchover cost is way less than it would be with Bluray. Once they start selling porn in HD-DVD there will be no way for Bluray to recover from a blow (no pun intended) like that.

Unless the porn industry wants to sell their films in full 1080p Blu-Ray "offers" :woot:

Maybe you guys should read then....

Washington, D.C. (November 10, 2006) -- Steve Hirsch has the new high-def DVD industry by the balls.

As CEO of Vivid Entertainment, the top adult film studio in the U.S. with stars such as Jenna Jameson, Hirsch could arguably decide the winner in the format war between Sony's Blu-ray and Toshiba's HD-DVD.

If Hirsch (and his fellow adult execs) choose one format over another, millions of adult fans might decide to buy that player and its high-def DVDs. The early explosion of sales could be enough to force the rival format out of business.

Think it can't happen? That very scenario played out in the 1980s when the adult world got behind VHS, leaving the Beta industry in the dust.

...

TVPredictions: So, will your first HDTV DVD be Blu-ray or HD-DVD and when will it be released?

Steve Hirsch: We will be releasing our first high-def DVD in the first quarter of 2007. We're working on it now. It will be a Blu-ray DVD and it will have multiple angles. You will have the option of watching two different angles of a scene.

TVP: Will you release the title in HD-DVD later in the year?

SH: As of now, it will just be Blu-ray. But that's not to say we won't release it in HD-DVD later.

TVP: Why did you choose Blu-ray for your first movie?

SH: We're working with a (production) company that has been involved with Blu-ray from the inception so it made sense. We're also very excited about Play Station 3 and its Blu-ray player. That is very exciting. But they need to get those players out there. (Editor's Note: Sony will launch the Play Station 3 video game console, which includes a Blu-ray player, on November 17.)

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[Joel]

This article is another example of analysts and haters of Sony "blowing their load" way too fast. The PS3 hasn't even been out for 2 weeks and people are already writing it off. So so foolish.

How did the PS3 specifically enter into this discussion? It's not the only choice for BD players, you know.

HD-DVD movies are full 1080p also so whats your point?

sarcasm?

Possible. The way its written it could be either way, sarcasm or believes it so thats why I asked?

What's the confusion here? HD-DVD does 1080p, and it has from day one. Whether the players output the 1080p from day one is another story, but the format is 1080p.

[Sethos]

Seems like people can only see one outcome for this, HD-DVD or Blue-Ray.

Maybe they're both gonna stay? An 'expensive' product and a cheaper alternative, people like alternatives.

[Infinione]

Blu-ray will win as it sounds sexier. Definitely! You know, I actually read that somewhere on the net recently.

I don't care about this argument yet, as I am happily sticking with my 2 year old DVD player and 32" CRT low-def TV. (Both Sony as it happens... d'oh!)

And John, you are not Kate Beckinsale's number one fan... as that is actually me.

[.Neo]

Huh? I would of thought Blu-Ray would win...HD-DVD doesn't even exist in Australia yet, the only mention I've heard of HD-DVD here is the 360 addon, but Blu-Ray is getting some serious attention. Personally I think it's HD-DVD that is dead and buried.

Same here in the Netherlands. Blu-Ray players and DVDs are already being sold in the bigger stores, but HD-DVD has yet to make it's debute.

[Mike Frett]

I hope they both burn in hell. I'm sick of having to buy $1000's of dollars in new stuff all over again.

[jackwanders]

Agreed, many consumers are still loving DVDs. I don't think many people want to rebuy some of their movies on HD-DVD or buy an expensive standalone player.

I don't plan on getting ANY HD content for a long time to come. I'm finally putting together a half decent DVD collection, and up-converting DVD players are still improving. The marginal increase in image quality between an upconverted DVD and an HD-DVD is just not worth the investment for me.

Now HD cable? I want that so bad I may break down and order it before the month is out.

[riahc3]

On the whole, I don't really get how Sony is still in business.

Movies. Strictly movies.

Death to Blu-Ray. I see HD-DVD as not only being cheaper but more than enough for the next couple of years.

Gotta buy that Xbox 360 HD-DVD drive...

[Toology]

As a reminder, Betamax was technically superior to VHS. If history has any say, the cheaper solution will win with consumers not the most technically elegant.

:yes:

[Cyranthus]

Hahaha, well the rootkits are what did it for me. I lost all my trust in Sony from that point forward.

yeah i think thats where i lost interest too...

and the fact that its a $1000 for a damn Blu-Ray player. stick a fork in sony... they're goin down!

I hope they both burn in hell. I'm sick of having to buy $1000's of dollars in new stuff all over again.

see you in the "new" stone age buddy.

[mattmatik]

My thing is which movies do I want to buy will be in what format? I have a 360 and I would like to buy the HD-DVD player but when movies like "Talladega Nights" only release on Blu-Ray, I think otherwise. That's my dilemma.

I don't think I'll upgrade until either a dual player releases or studios decide to release multi-format films. Looks like I'll be with DVD for a long time to come :)

[jb23fan]

DVD's will win :)

Like it or not, the consumer just doesnt "need" more than 4.7GB per layer yet.

DVD's are more than big enough for what I need, and will be for quite some time. In a year or two, when suddenly 4.7GB is nowhere near enough, THEN i'll be looking to HD-DVD and BluRay :)

Let me remind you, that you are in the minority. People want High Definition content on their TV. They want a way to purchase a movie or rent a movie and watch it in HD at home. Your DVD will not win for them, only for you.

[blackhorse]

Blu-Ray is going to win for the simple fact that it is in the PS3; do you remember when DVD was first coming out? I do very much, it had to compete against disc media entertainment of close quality and less price. that technology was LD, and divx disc. divx disc was dirt cheap but you could only watch the disc 3 times before the player would not let you watch it any longer; it also was later integrated into some LD players to help sell the players, and LD was both interactive and the close quality as dvd when dvd first came out, and the price dropped when the industry released divx disc, while LD players didn?t go over to well here in the states they did extremely well in Japan. That was mainly because of marketing in the states. But when Sony released their PS2 with dvd video it was a whole new ball game. not only did the PS2 play the original PS games but also played the new highly marketed DVD format it was a 2 for one deal. it is one of those great multi-taskers that everybody loves, 2 types of games, music CDs, as well as a much higher quality movie that was relatively only a little more than VHS. granted not all of Sony?s creations make it huge and as well adopted as the dvd, we can just look at the track record on that with their betaMAX and MiniDisc that was co-developed with sharp. however we look at who all is backing them up with the new Blu-Ray format. Samsung, one of the largest manufactures of LCD and plasma TV in the world as well as having their hands in just about every market of technology out there. also they have the backing now of Apple Computers and Lacie for Blu-Ray recorders. Lacie will be selling a Blue Ray recording this upcoming year and it will be priced at sub 1k. which is pretty damn impressive considering all you will need is computer to connect it to and you can start making HD movies yourself. On top of having an external burner Apple is rumored to be releasing a Blu-Ray burner in their new Mac Pro Line. Having Steve Jobs on the board of standard for Blu-Ray technology is somewhat of a confirmation that they will be helping produce and support the line. But once again for every bonus comes a shaky track record especially with Steve Jobs. His company produced several of technologies biggest losers with their lisa project, next computer, and the newton. however if you look at what those products did, it is amazing how far ahead of the times they were. How about computer that you click on pictures instead of typing in commands to make what you want happen on the screen, who would have thought that this was a good idea. Or how about a computer network that you could log into any computer and always have your items and settings with you, once again something that is now common with SAN, NAS, and roaming profile technology. And the last creations, a monochrome screened digital personal assistant with online access to send email and faxes, a calendar program with all of your business and personal contact information at the tip of a little pen. When that product crashed and burned it was looked at by the general public as technology overkill and who in their right mind would ever want to be able to have that much access to information, surely not a normal person that is not a CEO of a fortune 500 company now would they; So the way that I look at it that Mr. Jobs knows what the people want and usually delivers it to them, but just a little early. Bottom line is that Blu-Ray is going to start off on a rocky road trying to gain momentum and then explode when the PS3 becomes readily available to the masses. That is on top of having 3 high end companies that play a vital role in the entertainment industry not only for playback but as well as the production of the movies and shows we watch as well as the games we play.

If Blu-Ray looks anything like this post, then I vote for HDD:pinch:nch:

[dheaddy]

Blu-Ray is going to win for the simple fact that it is in the PS3; do you remember when DVD was first coming out? I do very much, it had to compete against disc media entertainment of close quality and less price. that technology was LD, and divx disc. divx disc was dirt cheap but you could only watch the disc 3 times before the player would not let you watch it any longer; it also was later integrated into some LD players to help sell the players, and LD was both interactive and the close quality as dvd when dvd first came out, and the price dropped when the industry released divx disc, while LD players didn?t go over to well here in the states they did extremely well in Japan. That was mainly because of marketing in the states. But when Sony released their PS2 with dvd video it was a whole new ball game. not only did the PS2 play the original PS games but also played the new highly marketed DVD format it was a 2 for one deal. it is one of those great multi-taskers that everybody loves, 2 types of games, music CDs, as well as a much higher quality movie that was relatively only a little more than VHS. granted not all of Sony?s creations make it huge and as well adopted as the dvd, we can just look at the track record on that with their betaMAX and MiniDisc that was co-developed with sharp. however we look at who all is backing them up with the new Blu-Ray format. Samsung, one of the largest manufactures of LCD and plasma TV in the world as well as having their hands in just about every market of technology out there. also they have the backing now of Apple Computers and Lacie for Blu-Ray recorders. Lacie will be selling a Blue Ray recording this upcoming year and it will be priced at sub 1k. which is pretty damn impressive considering all you will need is computer to connect it to and you can start making HD movies yourself. On top of having an external burner Apple is rumored to be releasing a Blu-Ray burner in their new Mac Pro Line. Having Steve Jobs on the board of standard for Blu-Ray technology is somewhat of a confirmation that they will be helping produce and support the line. But once again for every bonus comes a shaky track record especially with Steve Jobs. His company produced several of technologies biggest losers with their lisa project, next computer, and the newton. however if you look at what those products did, it is amazing how far ahead of the times they were. How about computer that you click on pictures instead of typing in commands to make what you want happen on the screen, who would have thought that this was a good idea. Or how about a computer network that you could log into any computer and always have your items and settings with you, once again something that is now common with SAN, NAS, and roaming profile technology. And the last creations, a monochrome screened digital personal assistant with online access to send email and faxes, a calendar program with all of your business and personal contact information at the tip of a little pen. When that product crashed and burned it was looked at by the general public as technology overkill and who in their right mind would ever want to be able to have that much access to information, surely not a normal person that is not a CEO of a fortune 500 company now would they; So the way that I look at it that Mr. Jobs knows what the people want and usually delivers it to them, but just a little early. Bottom line is that Blu-Ray is going to start off on a rocky road trying to gain momentum and then explode when the PS3 becomes readily available to the masses. That is on top of having 3 high end companies that play a vital role in the entertainment industry not only for playback but as well as the production of the movies and shows we watch as well as the games we play.

[rkenshin]

Meh, neither format has "won" or will every "win".

I say its choice, and its a choice for the consumer to decide on their own which one they want. Besides, players will be coming out that will read both formats. I believe both formats are really awesome, but overpriced. Yes, Microsoft added the HD-DVD player for XBox360 for $200, but it lacks the Hi-def capabilities that HD-DVD is suppose to have (can we say HDMI for true 1080p?). Even so, true HD-DVD players that have all the hi-def capabilities still run to be $400+.

And who is saying MemoryStick has failed? Its a proprietary hardware like SD, or any other type of format. Thats a ridiculous comparison.

Anyways, like I said, I think they are both awesome, but I don't think either of them will officially "win" ... its moreover a consumer choice.

But thats just my .02.

[inactive]

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07314/83273...id=business.xml ... claims hd-dvd is pretty much going to win.

just thought i would post it ;)

[HoochieMamma]

Holy thread revival batman!

[Tech Star]

When I saw this thread I said "Bull s*i*", then I saw how old it was...:p

[whocares78]

Source : TGDaily

whichever format has the porn will win, we all know that.

[Slimy]

whichever format has the porn will win, we all know that.

except both do, so much for that

[Azusa]

BetaMax, Mini-Disk, MemoryStick, and now Blu-ray. At least Sony is consistent. Also, if there is one company that is really looking forward to a better 2007 more than Sony I don't know of it. Boy, when you couple in root kits and battery/camera recalls, you are talking about a really nasty run of bad luck for Sony this year.

When did memory sticks get added to that list?

but you know its the format that can store more will win because it will then be used to back up the other format's .ISOs when you download them

also HD DVD hasn't got the best company backing it M$ realy reaks of MPAA/IRAA cooties

[Ironman273]

whichever format has the porn will win, we all know that.

Porn is no longer a factor because of the internet.

also HD DVD hasn't got the best company backing it M$ realy reaks of MPAA/IRAA cooties

Yeah, because Sony putting rootkits in their CDs is so cool.