Mac OS X 'Leopard'-related Discussion

[divinatum]

As of 9a559 A2DP was working, but it isn't listed in the 300 features. It was buggy however... so maybe it got removed. :cry:

Anyone know if we can use our original restore cds to install ilife? I just got the new imac and of course I had to have it before leopard but I don't wanna have to rebuy something I already feel I paid for.

Either from the Optional Installs on Disc 2 or through Pacifist. :)

[mattrobs]

Khoi Vinh on Leopard's packaging:

Apple?s designers have borrowed the boldly elegant ?X? from the packaging of its predecessor, Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger, and placed it against the goofy, sci-fi-fueled, airbrushed nebula of stars from Leopard?s Time Machine feature. Why they did this, it?s not clear, because it looks horrific. Apparently, Leopard?s most lucrative potential customer base may all be devotees of the plasticky, bombastic and yet still naIve era of science fiction we call the Nineteen Eighties.

[instant.human]

^yea right....

well i for myself think the packaging looks good... but if that khoi vinh guy doesnt i guess i have to change my mind... =)

im wondering why do people actually **** up about the packaging or even think about it. tbh i didnt even pay attention on it yet... i mean yea i know its that X and that nebula and some stars in reference to time machine, yea, okay, cool but ... yea lets go on, not too important. why do people write blog-entrys about something that unimportant?

i mean yea, of course it should look good and all but who cares if they didnt really get it this time?

tear the packaging off, insert the cd/dvd and install the OS, you will never ever care about the packaging..., most of the time, at least. i still have the great packaging of my ipod mini but yea... its just the packaging!

but thats just me.

[osirisX]

A whole bunch of people who purchase stuff from Apple get very particular about the packaging. The look and the "experience" when opening it. Example, there was a thread at Macrumors before the iPhone launch where people were worried that AT&T employees would open the iPhone packaging in the store to activate the iPhone they just purchased. In other words, they wouldn't get the "experience" of opening the package.

I will admit Apple packaging is the best I've seen, but in the end it doesn't matter. Just open the damn thing and play with the toy inside.

[Chicane-UK Veteran]

To be honest i'd be happier if it just shipped in a freaking paper sleeve if it saved a few $$ off the price. Who cares about the box, really?

[divinatum]

the packaging makes the first impression, and Apple is pushing leopard as a futuristic OS... hence the space theme. I think the package looks great, as well as the new default wallpaper (I never changed my Aqua wallpaper in years of owning Macs for more than a day or a few hours.) I would like to see the time machine wall included without me having to dig it out of system resources though.

But really, if you dont like it... put it in your closet and don't display it on your desk like a museum piece.

[Matt T]

I like the Leopard box.

[hotdog666al]

Better than the freaking VISTA Box! Jeez!

[instant.human]

of course packaging is important and gives you the first impression and i love to pack things out too, packing out my macbook was an amazing experience but then again i may have only noticed it because it WAS great. if it wasnt i bet i wouldve never said "man, that packaging was bad."

[SoapyHamHocks Member]

Did NTFS writing make it in?

[CPressland]

fraid not, but there is a brilliant beta going on at the moment that reads and writes to ntfs without a problem

http://ntfs-mac.com/

[giga Veteran]

Great article that I suggest people take more than a glance at.

http://weblog.infoworld.com/yager/archives...me_home_le.html

Apple OS X Leopard: A beautiful upgrade

Finally, a PC Unix that everyone can love. OS X Leopard is a triumph of customer-focused engineering

Apple, OS X, LeopardApple's announcement of the impending delivery of OS X Leopard (release 10.5 of Mac and Xserve operating systems) marks the public debut of an engineering achievement that dwarfs iPhone, iPod, Windows, and Linux. No other PC server vendor, with the notable exception of Sun Microsystems, invests so much time and manpower in its system software.

In 10 days -- 10 excruciating days -- I and hundreds of Mac developers and VIP users can finally speak out about that which we have sworn to hold secret. Leopard is magnificent code architected from the user in, rather than from core technology out.

Windows and Linux are designed from the core out, which is to say that they are all about layered kernels, system calls, and APIs, with each layer's purpose being to abstract the layers below it. The layers grow thicker; when a layer gets unmanageably thick, a pretty new abstraction layer is created so that people don't have to deal with the ugly one. Programmers end up having endless entry points with identical purpose and having heated debates about which ones are best. But each way of doing the same thing involves varying dependencies, deprecations, and peculiarities.

Everyone plugs into OS X through the frameworks, and below that lies a stable, thin, simple, and well-documented system stack. It is not the frameworks' job to abstract lower levels of software. From a developer's point of view, the frameworks are OS X. When developers write to Apple's frameworks, they inherit cross-application integration and operational and interface consistency with no effort. For example, E-Mail, the Address Book, and QuickTime are smart, autonomous objects available to all Mac apps regardless of language and requiring no optional software. You look in the docs to find the object you need, you shoot a message at it (you can always count on framework objects being present and behaving as documented), and receive a response that you can use directly without marshaling. The whole system is about message passing among objects.

The system's hardware configuration and management are exposed as objects. If you want to know the battery's charge level or get a list of wireless networks within range, OS X has common frameworks to do it. Sometimes hacks are necessary, and when they are, they take the tidy form of superclasses of existing objects or new objects inserted into a chain of message responders. The whole thing is easy to grok, and the tools and docs are free.

Leopard is beautiful, not merely in appearance but in design, all the way down to its certified Unix core. My own core is Unix certified, and now that Apple has reworked OS X to jump the many hurdles required to bear the Unix trademark, I feel like I've returned from a lengthy self-imposed exile. Finally, there's a PC Unix that everyone can love.

I offer these raves as one who is intimately familiar with all popular microcomputer operating systems. Each OS, including prior versions of OS X, have left me wanting and looking ahead to future releases. I irritate the hell out of Apple's PR and product managers by interrupting their scripted briefings and meetings with questions that force them to say, "We're looking at that for the next release."

For example, when Apple showed the Spotlight integrated search facility at Tiger's (OS X 10.4) launch, I stole the glint from the eyes of Apple's beaming executives and asked, "What about searching across the network?" They said that they were looking at that for the next release, and they silently wondered why I showed up at a christening asking when that kid would get a job.

I remember standing in a room full of proud engineers, each of them three feet smarter than I am, telling them that a rack server without lights-out management, hardware RAID, and redundant power supplies can't accumulate enterprise cred. It seemed to Apple that OS X flat never fails to boot, which was a prerequisite for diagnosing and managing a hobbled Xserve. Apple has filled in all of those gaps, and it is constantly at that job.

I know it's difficult for people who don't use Macs to understand why an operating system gets us so worked up. The coming debut of Leopard may make you mindful of Vista, an OS that no one begged to get before it shipped and that very few rushed out to get after it shipped. Vista's penetration is largely incidental, a result of being preinstalled on new PCs. That is not how Leopard will score its wins. Apple's customers rush to upgrade, and not because some sticker on a box of software says "designed for Leopard."

Leopard is a legitimately big deal. It's underhyped compared to iPhone, and yet unlike iPhone, Leopard is a genuine triumph of customer-focused engineering. It's a pleasure and a relief to see that Apple remembers how to deliver open, affordable, standards-based products. There probably won't be lines around the block at Apple retail stores for people who can't wait to get their hands on Leopard. If they had been using Leopard as long as developers have, Apple wouldn't be able to stamp Leopard DVDs fast enough. Word will get out.

[instant.human]

good read indeed from an interesting point of view. thanks.

[willdev]

Hey guys,

Just ordered leopard and it said it will be coming on the 29th? Is this for everyone or is it just me? :(

[crazzyyfool]

Mine says ships by Oct 26th. :D

[willdev]

Mine says ships by Oct 26th. :D

Thats what it says for me :(

[crazzyyfool]

I wouldn't worry too much. There is still a high possibility it will ship before Friday.

[willdev]

I wouldn't worry too much. There is still a high possibility it will ship before Friday.

So i might have it by Friday?

[crazzyyfool]

So i might have it by Friday?

Wait until Wednesday and then see what your order status says. Is it that much of a problem if you don't get it till early next week?

[willdev]

Wait until Wednesday and then see what your order status says. Is it that much of a problem if you don't get it till early next week?

Im gunna be at school so i will have to go 50 miles to the nearest UPS office to get it :@

[crazzyyfool]

Im gunna be at school so i will have to go 50 miles to the nearest UPS office to get it :@

Won't anyone be at home while your in school? In the UK Apple don't normally ship via UPS. Its normally TNT.

[willdev]

Won't anyone be at home while your in school? In the UK Apple don't normally ship via UPS. Its normally TNT.

o ive never seen a TNT van where i live :(

Na my mums a nurse and my dad lives miles away lol.

Can anyone confirm which courier apple uses in the UK?

[crazzyyfool]

Everything I've ever ordered from Apple has either been shipped via TNT or DHL.

[CPressland]

Everything for me has always been TNT

[chrisgeleven]

Mine is still showing prepared for shipment and delivery on the 26th.