Xbox 360 v2 : Codename Zephyr

[NoLiMiT06]

This was also posted in Spartan_X's topic in Nov.

Just take a look at the a/v cable its got regular a/v+HDMI+Optical out so there is no need for a new box :p

[Pilsbury]

I think the guy who first said there was not enough pins was confused as to what a universal out is, and think that pin1 allways has that signal and pin2 allways has that signal. While I'm pretty sure the Xbox360 universal output is fully configurable electronically based on what plug you attach to it. otherwise we'd allready be out of pins with all the pins required for composite out, compnoent out, digital sound, analog sound, and all that crap.

Spartan allready as much as confirmed that the Xbox 360 universal output is capable of delivering a HDMI signal if a proper cable was made.

Not arguing with you, but, that's not how the current cables work, so, I'd stick with with assertation that HDMI is not possible from the current 360. Each pin is assigned a single function with a couple of the pins used to enable the specific output (by grounding one of those pins).

Digital audio = 3 pins

VGA = 6 pins

Stereo audio = min 3 pins and I believe 4 are used)

Composite = 2 pins

Component = 6 pins

Output sensing = 3 pins

That leaves a maximum of 7 pins free - not enough for HDMI....

VGA to HDMI cable could be possible, and if it is, why are people being screwed over by this?

Not really without a lot of extra hardware. VGA to DVI-A (or DVI-I) yes, but, HDMI is digital only.

Edit:

This was also posted in Spartan_X's topic in Nov.

Just take a look at the a/v cable its got regular a/v+HDMI+Optical out so there is no need for a new box :p

Except that's a Japanese console with a VGA cable....

[dnast]

^ Nah, that was confirmed not to be an HDMI cable. It's a Japanese cable of which I can't think of the name.

Edit: Beat to the punch. I guess he posted while I was reading the previous comments. :blush:

[giga Veteran]

D terminal.

[HawkMan]

Not arguing with you, but, that's not how the current cables work, so, I'd stick with with assertation that HDMI is not possible from the current 360. Each pin is assigned a single function with a couple of the pins used to enable the specific output (by grounding one of those pins).

Digital audio = 3 pins

VGA = 6 pins

Stereo audio = min 3 pins and I believe 4 are used)

Composite = 2 pins

Component = 6 pins

Output sensing = 3 pins

That leaves a maximum of 7 pins free - not enough for HDMI....

Not really without a lot of extra hardware. VGA to DVI-A (or DVI-I) yes, but, HDMI is digital only.

'Except you're still inisstent on the Universal AV out not being configurable. As Spartan allready said, the Xbox is mostly software run, and I'm pretty sure that includes the universal out, and that it can be set so that when you hook up a plug with a HDMI cable, the AV out chip that provides the signals for the Universal AV out, can be reconfigured for the pins required by the HDMI. and that includes switching from analog video signals to digital.

[Nashy]

Would this upgrade have anything to do with the IPTV upgrades rather than game changes?

[Deihmos]

Would this upgrade have anything to do with the IPTV upgrades rather than game changes?

Am I the only one that can tell that the image is fake? Even my grandmother could tell.

[FATILA]

Am I the only one that can tell that the image is fake? Even my grandmother could tell.

Odd. Considering it isn't fake :p

[AlphaPrime]

http://news.teamxbox.com/xbox/12523/CES-20...ncements-Leaked

[Deihmos]

http://news.teamxbox.com/xbox/12523/CES-20...ncements-Leaked

The job looks really sloppy and the shadows are all wrong. It is clearly a photoshop job and frankly Microsoft is not so dumb to release another 360 just to add HDMI that hardly anyone has. Plus they already said they were not going to add HDMI. If this was really true Microsoft would be the laughing stock of the industry.

Why do you think the picture so dark? Look closely, you can even see the line on the right side where the AV port was moved upwards. the reflection is wrong, and the right side of the hdmi opening is also wrong. The lan port on the 360 is mounted flush to the motherboared and to me it looks like the hdmi port on this is mounted either on the underside of the mobo or in the middle of it. You can also tell that the console was opened. IT'S FAKE!!

[Spartan_X]

Codename Zephyr: The Real Deal?

By: TeamXbox Staff - "TeamXbox"

January 5th, 2007

You probably know by now that an unofficial ?zephyr? may be blowing in console land. News and general tech guru Cesar of TeamXbox.com posted this story on what is being touted as system Zephyr, the follow-up to the 360?s system Xenon pseudonym.

The details on the Zephyr are sketchy and are, in fact, mostly based on a photo that cropped up on Engadget.com earlier today:

Basically, you?re looking at a carbon-copy of the back of your Xbox 360, save for the little provision right below the A/V output. That, our friends, is an HDMI port, which is much easier to say than High-Definition Multimedia Interface. HDMI is basically the new RCA, with a pixel rate to support 1080P and beyond. It's a perfect connector for things such as gaming consoles and next-gen optical disc players.

You?ll find an HDMI connector on the Playstation 3, but not on the current Xbox 360. Why? Costs, for one. Plus, maybe there?s a chance that Microsoft didn?t see the TV trends moving so quickly toward 1080p? Whatever the real reasons, it looks as though Microsoft could be changing its mind about HDMI, whether its to be more competitive in the market or for new features in the pipeline.

Also announced as part of Codename: Zephyr is a 120GB hard drive that absolutely dwarfs the one in the current 360 unit. We?re beginning to think that Microsoft fully realizes the potential of non-gaming related DLC, as it?s hard to imagine another reason for such a beefy drive (these things aren?t cheap). Can we also assume that the Zephyr will come loaded with an internal HD-DVD drive? Is the HDMI going to make use of its ability to manage the rights to digital content? There are many questions to be answered, but we?d like to await the ?official? word before we get into that.

Is the Zephyr for real? It appears so from the spy photo, but we wanted to ask Microsoft spokesperson directly in an attempt to beat a CES announcement out of the, er, gates:

We have seen all types of claimed leaked photos like this show up online and as a standard policy we don?t comment on speculative items.

While we?re still in speculative mode, we thought it would be interesting to comment on the various reactions we?ve been receiving since this unofficial announcement. Is this cause to break out the left-over Cristal? Is it business-as-usual for hardcore gamers? Or is it time to pull out the GueWhy you should jump for joyWhy you should jump for joy

The obvious demographic that are absolutely eating the news of a possible Zephyr alive are those that complained about no HDMI support on the Xbox 360. Many of these people are early adopters (they adopted to the next-gen early with the 360, even though they knew it didn?t support HDMI), or those that can feel the pulse of technology and where it is rapidly heading.

Of course, the other people having Zephyr parties right now are those with output devices that come equipped with HDMI ports. This is much more common now than it was even a short time ago, when the first Xbox 360?s hit the shelves. With the glut of 1080p TV?s hitting the market, an HDMI port makes even more sense, especially if the HD-DVD unit is integrated into the main shell.

We?re assuming a bigger hard drive is an upgrade that everyone wants, regardless of if it is ever filled or not. Hard drives are like dynamic headroom: you always want more, even if it never comes into play. This huge hard drive would also make the Xbox 360 a much bigger component in the Media Center fray, possibly serving as a hub for digitalWhy you should care less home.

Why you should care less

So, you just bought an Xbox 360, and didn?t even have to pay the ?05 Ebay premium for it. You now have a full year?s worth of warranty to ease your mind, and a great lineup of games hitting the shelves in quarter one. Zephyr wha?

There are some that will go about gaming in the next generation with Microsoft, and slough off the interim generation if the Zephyr is the real-deal. Let us not forget about the pride of gamers that play their Xbox 360 on a standard def. TV. They could care less about component video cables, much less an HDMI port. Even the hard drive will seem like less of a big deal to those that use their Xbox 360 for gaming and gaming alone. It would take a truckload of game saves to fill up this many gigs worth of storage.

For those that want to game and not watch flicks or what-have-you, the idea of a built-in HD-DVD drive is not that special either. Again, those without a decent TV can?t take advantage of HD-DVD quality anyways. Maybe Cesar?s speculation on the current ?Premium? system being this year?s ?Base? system is spot-on?

There?s one other point to keep in mind here that many of the calm and collective types already assume. Microsoft announced last TGS that the current Xbox 360 can run at 1080p with a software upgrade (including the ability to play existing DVD?s in up to 1080p). There?s a good chance that we are only an adapter away fromWhy you should rebelrunning full pixel rates on your TV.

Why you should rebel

No matter which way you slice it, if the Zephyr is, in fact, real, then this is a superior system to the premium system currently on the market. A huge hard drive and HDMI port are nice upgrades regardless of if they are utilized right away or at all (think: resale). A built-in HD-DVD drive would obviously be a massive upgrade as well, but frankly, we don?t see this one happening.

Exactly how big the Revolucion will be depends on the actual number of true upgrades that the Zephyr may have, and its price point. If the cooler running processor (another upgrade in terms of power consumption and reliability), the big hard drive and HDMI provision all ship in a package anywhere close to the price of the current Xbox 360 premium system, we suspect heads will roll in one form or another. Adding an internal HD-DVD drive and upping the cost significantly will most likely lower the number of those gamers that want to cause an upheaval, as many believe in Blu-Ray, or are simply not concerned with a game console playing movies.

The gaming community will most likely stay calm if the price sans-HD-DVD is much more than what was paid for a Premium system at retail. A high price point on the Zephyr will most likely keep Microsoft out of the cauldron, as it will be much harder for conSource:se them of (justified or not) planned obsolescence.

Source: TeamXbox

[goji]

Spartan, enough of the readily available online articles.... :crazy:

GIVE US INTERNAL MEMOS MAN! :yes:

[+vlsi0n Subscriber¹]

If true: I would like to have a upgrade service, maybe $50-100 to do so.

If false: Life goes on.

[-Anthony]

Doesn't matter I'll end up getting the cheapest version supported by Halo 3.

[Ryne]

Popular tech blog Engadget has received unconfirmed snapshots of a new HDMI-equipped version of the Xbox 360, codenamed "Zephyr."

Below the multi-AV output is an HDMI port. Image courtesy Engadget

The images, which come courtesy of Engadget, clearly show the rear panel of an Xbox 360 unit, with one key addition -- an HDMI port. According to the post, the revamped unit will contain much smaller 65 nanometer CPU chips, which may help the unit run cooler and more quietly. The 65 nanometer switch has been known for some time, but the possibility of HDMI support comes as something of a surprise.

Currently, the PlayStation 3 is the only console to support HDMI output. HDMI is an all-digital standard that supports ultra-high resolutions and 5.1/7.1 audio through one cable. It also supports next-gen copy-protection standards.

We contacted Microsoft representatives, who made the following statement: "We have seen all types of claimed leaked photos like this show up online and as a standard policy we don't comment on speculative items."

http://www.gamepro.com/news.cfm?article_id=92728

Neither denying it, nor confirming it.

Edited January 6, 2007 by Hova

[Smigit]

Spartan_x seems to be skipping about the topic too. Who knows. If it happens they will need to allow older users to access HDMI somehow otherwise it'd be quite the poor decision on their part.

[AlphaPrime]

Doesn't matter I'll end up getting the cheapest version supported by Halo 3.

Core? lol

[realmccoy]

:crazy:

[realmccoy]

I wonder when this XBOX is suppose to come out. I just bought mine three weeks ago.

[realmccoy]

Hey I am OK if they add HDMI but they better offer/ sales some kind of cable that will allow current XBOX owners to attach there XBOX through HDMI

[giga Veteran]

Merged

[P!P]

Doesn't matter I'll end up getting the cheapest version supported by Halo 3.

This reminded me of something. With Halo 3 coming this November (correct?), would it be logical to assume that the Xbox 360 v2 would be released at the same time. If Microsoft released a Xbox 360 v2 Halo 3 edition, I'd buy it.

[-Anthony]

P!P's statement makes sense which would mean that we can share out 1080P HD gameplay videos in the lobby.

[Novaoblivion]

I can't tell you what all the fuss is about but I'm sure it will make you happy... :happy: :yes:

I'm going to hold you to that Spartan_X :), I am not going to be too pleased if I get shafted out of HDMI and a bigger harddrive even after I waited almost a year before buying my 360.

[spenser.d]

Spartan_x seems to be skipping about the topic too.

He skips about every topic that has to do with the internal workings at MS. What he's doing here really isn't surprising or unexpected. He just likes playing with our heads :s

-Spenser