Microsoft admits Vista is a failure

[P!P]

Vista is ME 2 for one reason. ME was simply a slightly updated version of 98 SE. The differences between 98 SE and even 98 were fairly small. The differences between XP and Vista are many. Many of them are behind the scenes (kernel changes etc.) but Vista is a great OS. The ONLY reason Vista isn't better is because of problems with third-party apps and drivers, which are getting better every day BTW.

[Quillz]

1: my mums 1 yr old laptop has NO vista drivers (except for wi-fi)

2: Dell has started selling XP again due to demand: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6575089.stm

3: vista is XP with a different theme and slower! (on my system)

i dont just talk rubbish ya know ;)

Well guess what? Just because Vista didn't work on one random PC doesn't make it a failure or mean it won't work on other PCs. FYI, my two year old desktop can run Vista just fine, with no hardware changes at all. My other desktop from a year ago also runs Vista fine, as does my laptop, which has no dedicated graphics card at all.

Furthermore, stop saying that Vista is "just XP with a theme." It's not. The underlying kernel is completely different, but you're obviously too narrow minded (and dumb) to understand this. Finally, Dell selling XP again is because Dell is a business out to make money, and you do so by pleasing your customers. Since Dell is also selling Linux due to consumer demand, does that make Windows as a whole a failure? And Mac OS X must be a huge failure since only one small hardware company sells it.

[Nicholas-c Veteran]

Well guess what? Just because Vista didn't work on one random PC doesn't make it a failure or mean it won't work on other PCs. FYI, my two year old desktop can run Vista just fine, with no hardware changes at all. My other desktop from a year ago also runs Vista fine, as does my laptop, which has no dedicated graphics card at all.

Furthermore, stop saying that Vista is "just XP with a theme." It's not. The underlying kernel is completely different, but you're obviously too narrow minded (and dumb) to understand this. Finally, Dell selling XP again is because Dell is a business out to make money, and you do so by pleasing your customers. Since Dell is also selling Linux due to consumer demand, does that make Windows as a whole a failure? And Mac OS X must be a huge failure since only one small hardware company sells it.

1 laptop in my house wont run vista, another does but poorly, and my desktop hardware struggles even tho its 7 months old and my mate bought it to find it doesnt work on his desktop, dell bought XP back due to demand meaning customers wanted it insted of vista not dell's main decision, i have both XP for gaming and vista installed (with 2 linux installations) and XP boot time and general start up time is faster, i am aware the kernel was changed, i did alot of research into vista for college, its over-hyped basically but too 99.9% of home users who buy computers from dell or HP etc don't see much of a difference (slower on some older machines) and too them it is XP with a theme

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[*John*]

Well that's one hell of a "theme". For one it managed to completely rewrite the networking stack, leading to a faster and more stable internet connection. It also managed to add something called UAC? Which massively increased security. It also managed to create a sandbox for IE7 somehow. It managed to somehow update the kernel, so it is now more stable and quicker than ever before etc...

I'd better go to the XP themeing forum and tell them that they SUCK!

[gigapixels Veteran]

1 laptop in my house wont run vista, another does but poorly, and my desktop hardware struggles even tho its 7 months old and my mate bought it to find it doesnt work on his desktop, dell bought XP back due to demand meaning customers wanted it insted of vista not dell's main decision, i have both XP for gaming and vista installed (with 2 linux installations) and XP boot time and general start up time is faster, i am aware the kernel was changed, i did alot of research into vista for college, its over-hyped basically but too 99.9% of home users who buy computers from dell or HP etc don't see much of a difference (slower on some older machines) and too them it is XP with a theme

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Do you know of this wonderful grammatical tool of the sentence?

Once again, just because of your poor experience with Vista doesn't mean it's a failure. If you want to argue different computers that won't run it I can argue even more computers that I've worked with it that can. Not to mention my Vista installation's boot time is faster than when I still had XP on here...

The "research" you supposedly did on Vista is obviously incorrect if you think it's overhyped. Nothing that was advertised about it was incorrect. It is true that Vista didn't turn out like many had wanted it to be, but that's because of the beautiful Longhorn previews that we got. But for what Vista is supposed to be, it's extremely well done.

Well that's one hell of a "theme". For one it managed to completely rewrite the networking stack, leading to a faster and more stable internet connection. It also managed to add something called UAC? Which massively increased security. It also managed to create a sandbox for IE7 somehow. It managed to somehow update the kernel, so it is now more stable and quicker than ever before etc...

I'd better go to the XP themeing forum and tell them that they SUCK!

Seriously! It's such an awesome theme! :rofl:

[1Frothy]

OK Vista is not like ME at all. It's stable, and it works ok. But it's not amazing or great.

I actually find idea of Microsoft using the "Wow" starts now as a dodgy campaign. After reading iWoz I realised that the whole "Wow" experience was Steve Wozniak's catch cry and I think it was unfairly used by Microsoft.

The problem with Vista is that it's got plenty of problems, drivers, interface "wtf's" and general bugs (http://www.vistasp1.net/). There is also disappointment with the bundled apps such as Windows Mail, Paint etc. And that to ship Vista Microsoft cut features right, left and center.

So overall Vista does feel like a ME V2. Enough so that I feel I wasted money upgrading hardware just for Vista. It's just not worth it.

[Kristian]

You know that Microsoft can't bundle anything more than a simple image app and other simplified apps right? First they will find that the mainstream users struggle to understand the advanced functions, but more importantly Microsoft would be sued well into the next decade by the European Union and other countries which already are up Microsofts neck with the monopoly-lawsuits!

[GEIST]

I should throw my TV out the window and read such forum threads all day. :rofl:

[Jojo81]

There isn't anything majorly upsetting about Vista once you get your driver issues resolved. True it's nowhere near as groundbreaking as it had been hyped up to be a couple years ago but it's quite a nice improvement over XP in many ways and feels about right based on where today's hardware is at.

[excalpius]

The so-called "writer" lost me when he talked about a mass exodus to Linux. What a moron.

[Doli]

I think Vista will shine down the road when more people use the 64-bit version, give it time. Not saying thats its bad now, its been working fine for me. I dont expect the world from it, what it has now is ok for me.

[nowimnothing]

Wow that was... an appalling piece of "journalism."

[L3thal Veteran]

Failure? There has been a surge in PC sales in US retailers since January 30th compared to the same time last year and its not because people decided they wanted to shop for a PC, its because Vista was released.

The only failure I see is that of the software and hardware companies that, after months and even years, don't get drivers and software out that is compatible.

[Allan]

I own a 'run of the mill, everyone has it' Dell Inspiron 6400/E1505 ... when I run Vista on this thing, the SD Card slot DOES NOT WORK. I get Semaphone issues, and it refuses to copy files to or from the SD Card.

My audio sucks in Vista ... skips, jiggers and is bad. The mouse messes up quite often. And the games don't work 1/3 as good as on XP MCE.

I am usualy an "early adopter" of technology (I was the first person in Ontario to have Rogers failed "WebTV" back in the day when Digital TV was new). I was one of the first to the Rogers Samsung A7xx with "Vision" - I waited at the mall 3 hrs before it opened.

I will not return to Vista before SP1 is released, and quite possible, even after. I was a beta tester for it (different machine) as well as Office 2007. Now, with my laptop, Windows XP MCE and Office 2007 Enterprise, I am quite happy.

Those who use and have no issue with Vista, I'm happy for you, but, just cuz your doin' "peachy keen" dosn't mean everyone is.

I called Dell, Windows, and Ricoh (who made the SD slot) and they all pointed fingers at eachother ...

Just my $0.02

[7Dash8]

Vista has spawned an entire industry of armchair hacks eager to appeal to the lowest common denominator by writing "reasons why Vista sucks" articles (with various names, but the same content).

If you actually know Vista and what's going on under the hood, you'd realise it changes so much that the change from 98 to XP is pretty much the same as the change from XP to Vista.

Unfortunately most people don't really think very much. It's easier to criticize and diminish Vista because it means that they can stay safely in the comfort zone of XP which they know so well. The irony is of course that for those of us around when XP came out, it was exactly the same story - "but it's just a prettied up version of 98!!!" "I'm not going to switch to XP, it's buggy and bad!!" "Microsoft sucks lol I'm using windows 2000 because the eye candy of XP slows it down!!!"

And for those with selective (or no) memory, even after XP SP1 people complained that it was buggy and crap. Even SP2 saw lots of complaints about how SP2 "broke everything" and how it all sucked. You really can't please stupid people, you can only sit back and let them blather on.

[Veedems Veteran]

I own a 'run of the mill, everyone has it' Dell Inspiron 6400/E1505 ... when I run Vista on this thing, the SD Card slot DOES NOT WORK. I get Semaphone issues, and it refuses to copy files to or from the SD Card.

My audio sucks in Vista ... skips, jiggers and is bad. The mouse messes up quite often. And the games don't work 1/3 as good as on XP MCE.

I am usualy an "early adopter" of technology (I was the first person in Ontario to have Rogers failed "WebTV" back in the day when Digital TV was new). I was one of the first to the Rogers Samsung A7xx with "Vision" - I waited at the mall 3 hrs before it opened.

I will not return to Vista before SP1 is released, and quite possible, even after. I was a beta tester for it (different machine) as well as Office 2007. Now, with my laptop, Windows XP MCE and Office 2007 Enterprise, I am quite happy.

Those who use and have no issue with Vista, I'm happy for you, but, just cuz your doin' "peachy keen" dosn't mean everyone is.

I called Dell, Windows, and Ricoh (who made the SD slot) and they all pointed fingers at eachother ...

Just my $0.02

Everything you describe isn't Microsoft's fault.

[*John*]

Vista has spawned an entire industry of armchair hacks eager to appeal to the lowest common denominator by writing "reasons why Vista sucks" articles (with various names, but the same content).

If you actually know Vista and what's going on under the hood, you'd realise it changes so much that the change from 98 to XP is pretty much the same as the change from XP to Vista.

Unfortunately most people don't really think very much. It's easier to criticize and diminish Vista because it means that they can stay safely in the comfort zone of XP which they know so well. The irony is of course that for those of us around when XP came out, it was exactly the same story - "but it's just a prettied up version of 98!!!" "I'm not going to switch to XP, it's buggy and bad!!" "Microsoft sucks lol I'm using windows 2000 because the eye candy of XP slows it down!!!"

And for those with selective (or no) memory, even after XP SP1 people complained that it was buggy and crap. Even SP2 saw lots of complaints about how SP2 "broke everything" and how it all sucked. You really can't please stupid people, you can only sit back and let them blather on.

QFT :yes:

[dieterich]

That has nothing to do with Best Buy. It's the actual computer manufacturers. The only one that offers XP anymore is Dell, and they are obviously not being sold in stores in the first place.

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I don't know about anybody else, but to me it seems like the only people who bash Vista are the ones who have no clue what they're talking about.

I don't know that I said this had anything to do with Best Buy other than they don't offer XP on a system in their store.

I think Vista will be/is a great OS so far. It's just the next evolution that people are fearing. They don't like having unfamiliar territory in front of them. And those who complain about Vista being slower than XP have likely loaded it on their 900mhz laptop with a whopping 256MB RAM and shared 8MB video RAM.....

[.Ark]

I own a 'run of the mill, everyone has it' Dell Inspiron 6400/E1505 ... when I run Vista on this thing, the SD Card slot DOES NOT WORK. I get Semaphone issues, and it refuses to copy files to or from the SD Card.

My audio sucks in Vista ... skips, jiggers and is bad. The mouse messes up quite often. And the games don't work 1/3 as good as on XP MCE.

I am usualy an "early adopter" of technology (I was the first person in Ontario to have Rogers failed "WebTV" back in the day when Digital TV was new). I was one of the first to the Rogers Samsung A7xx with "Vision" - I waited at the mall 3 hrs before it opened.

I will not return to Vista before SP1 is released, and quite possible, even after. I was a beta tester for it (different machine) as well as Office 2007. Now, with my laptop, Windows XP MCE and Office 2007 Enterprise, I am quite happy.

Those who use and have no issue with Vista, I'm happy for you, but, just cuz your doin' "peachy keen" dosn't mean everyone is.

I called Dell, Windows, and Ricoh (who made the SD slot) and they all pointed fingers at eachother ...

Just my $0.02

"Just cuz our doin' [not so hot] doesn't mean everyone is"

Vista has been in beta testing (public download) for months and the final version has been out for 5 months.. if your hardware maunfacturers do not make the proper drivers and if the games you play aren't optimized for Vista, there is nothing Vista or Microsoft can do about it. Get over the notion that Vista sucks, its new, its software and hardware (drivers) must have been out from some companies and they did not deliver. Understand what the source of the problem is before you go off blaming the operating system and its manufacturer. Its like getting an after market radio and blaming the car manufacturer if the radio doesn't work after you install it in your car or like blaming the car manuf. if the aftermarket radio doesn't play non-original cds.

[gigapixels Veteran]

I don't know that I said this had anything to do with Best Buy other than they don't offer XP on a system in their store.

Ehm, what? Did you not post what I quoted?

[Windam]

One word..

Patients.. = Driver Support

All my hardware is luckily supported (I'm glad I don't have SLi yet)

[ATLien_0]

sure vista is not the longhorn we saw in 03, and yes it doest run like microsoft claims it would but thats partly due to lack of driver support even though microsoft said it shipped with like 2000 drivers. BUT its not ME 2 too much under the hood changes. I personally think if they had gone with the 03 longhorn like 4074 with jade it would visually look better, but be more demanding on the computer and novice computer users would freak out. Give vista a year like xp and 2000 then it should be much better, do remember what was said about windows 2000 when it first came out.

[starmatrix]

One word..

Patients.. = Driver Support

All my hardware is luckily supported (I'm glad I don't have SLi yet)

"patience" ;)

most of my hardware is supported too. In fact I have hardly any problems with vista. Although I'm going to stick to Xp for a bit longer...

[Helba]

Jeese! Talk about jumping the gun. Microsoft has not 'admitted Vista is a failure.' I've read the Inquirer articles, and that is primarily their (and admittedly some others') opinion. All this 'MEII' stuff is really obnoxious. There are some SERIOUS differences here. For example, ME looked and felt very, very similar to the OS preceding it, whereas Vista is actually a grand improvement over XP. Perhaps there are some arguments against that. Let it at least be said that there have been significant changes. The UI, if nothing else, prooves this. There are definitely annoyances in Vista. I'm not disputing that. And it took way too long to finish. That is all true.

But I think all of you are wrong in bashing Vista as hard as you have been. It's not that bad.

I know I'm not the only one that believes this, but I just thought I'd reiterate the sentiment.

[b0m8er]

Ohh... gotta love Inquirer... :rolleyes:

Anyway - Vista isn't ME 2 for sure, cause it does not crash as much as ME did. People just don't like changes... give it a year and everyone will be running Vista.