Microsoft admits Vista is a failure

[Julius Caro]

I don't think Vista is like Windows ME. Windows ME was a 4.x version of windows released after Windows NT 5 which was clearly superior. Vista isn't that much different from XP like XP was to the previous version of NT, for example. So with some efforts, the least you can expect is vista to work like XP, and it clearly does.

Vista, if anything, has got an amount of bad press that no other mainstream product has got before. Plus, times are changing. In 2007 you can't expect people to spend between 150 and 400 bucks for an operative system when the previous one still kicks ass.

[nero78]

LOL. And lol some more. LOL the rest of the day actually.

[Barney T. Administrators]

Topics merged

[MGS4-SS]

We all know Vista's quality, do we really needed a news site to tell it for us? Nah.

[BlueGecko]

Personally i would never go near comparing Vista to ME. ME was the ultimate OS disaster. Vista is not even half as bad. For starters it works!

I think Microsoft have the ability and resources to create a decent Operating System and IF they truly feel the way they say they do, then Vista Service Pack 1 will come early, it will offer a lot of improvements in plenty of different parts of the Operating System - Vista doesnt have big flaws, it has little or nothing to offer to the first-time or inexperienced user and although its by no means a requirement the average n00b isn't going to feel compelled to waste their time experimenting.

Microsoft need to seriously take a step back and address what people are saying and identify where they went wrong (again...if they did, i quite like Vista, runs alright on a decent machine) in the process from making Longhorn become Vista. I can identify with the people i speak to who could easily mistake them as completely different projects and Operating Systems because the promised features never came.

A mix of issues not entirely Microsoft's fault make Vista not the first solution.

Slow PC's - Lack of features and too much like XP to bother switching for the money

Inexperienced Users - WHOA? WTF was that...

Price Tag - I just coughed up (insert money) for Windows XP, whats the point in BUYING?

[ozgeek]

What's all this talk about Win Me? For me Me was as stable as 98 was. Until I see Me in operation and do what lots of you claim it does (constant crashing) then I could see but until then I trust ME to be a very stable home OS. Yes, I understand Me wasn't needed as it was replaced by XP a year later.

Okay, many people are not switching to vista, whether vista is said to be superier or fancy, or easier to use because:

- Cost (too expensive) Most people will have bought a computer with Vista Home Premium or demand XP (for reasons below):

- Driver support is very limited at the moment.

- Software and game compatability is limited.

- Requires hardware upgrade in most computers. Most people have only 1GB ram and < P4 cpus

- Again Cost.

So XP is still alive and well. I have informed to my father about Vista on my computer and he says "Don't need it". He is absolutely right. Vista is just XP with Service Pack 3, no much difference. Does the excat same jobs as each other.

[neufuse Veteran]

This is an incredible biased article and is making a lot of facts up...

[.kvn]

The article has raised some valid and some blatantly poor points.

The author refers to Vista as ME ll which in some respects could be seen as that. Vista hasn't lived up to it's 'WOW' image and I can't see how it can apart from Microsoft delivering further features in a SP. Yes Vista looks good and Yes it has some features that make it stand out from XP but the fact that a major manufacturer has decided to continue offering XP pre-installed is a sign that the customer isn't happy with an OS that still has many driver and peripheral issues.

But then the author throws his argument down the drain by linking his ME ll point to a CNet news story that isn't about Vista but XP.

The software maker will offer the $3 Student Innovation Suite to governments that agree to directly purchase PCs for students to use in their schoolwork and at home.

The suite includes XP and Office not Vista.

But then that gets me thinking why offer the XP Starter edition when they can just as easily put in the Vista Starter instead?

The author then goes on to make the following sweeping statements,

What we are seeing is an unprecedented shift of power. It is also an unprecedented admission of failure. And the funniest part about the moves made? They are the wrong things to do. Microsoft is in deep trouble

If he were to leave out 'unprecendented' and 'deep' then he would get my thumbs up for this last part.

[The Right Guy]

Im still thinking when XP has come out in 2001 and it almost the same thing with vista.

Vista have more improvement than xp had so i think we have to let M$ and drivers builder make their job....

[SacrificialSoldier]

I always liked XP way better anyways so for me this is nothing new. It's about time people start waking up and noticing that.

[Electronic Punk]

The article looks even more stupid after he has edited out Vista being bundled for $3 with the true product of XP for $3, at least before it showed a blatent error and made the author obviously clueless.

We should save articles like this so we can come back in 5 years and poke fun at him.

[LTD]

The Inquirer. It went a little overboard with this one.

[OutblastoR]

If microsoft admitted this or didnt, its true.. Vista is a failure..

[Inplode]

vista > xp

and lol at The Inquirer.

[Azusa]

my Friend says Vista's birth is like XP it will become better for everyone when the service packs come out

[Sniper101]

The inq....bah who ever reads The Inq needs slapping around the head with a bit of wet trout.

[Guest sirghost]

If microsoft admitted this or didnt, its true.. Vista is a failure..

Why is it a failure????? Took XP over a year to get adopted by the world. With vista its been only 5 months since it is out, give me a ****ing break please.

[_sphinx_]

lol who the hell cites the Inquirer?!

[neufuse Veteran]

for all those people screaming look they are selling XP for $3... think about the economics behind this......

You now have a vista starter edition at $25

You want to make more money where people cant afford $25 so you sell an outdated version at a cheaper price, $3

You make them want the most recent version, so they now want the $25 version...

someday they decide to upgrade, spend $25

now you spent $28

XP is an older version, they can sell it for less, because they assume that they eventually will want bigger and better and the $25 vista starter is the next logical move... doesnt mean they will go there, but that is how MS is tempting them... selling XP for $3 doesnt mean vista flopped, that means they dont want to lower the price on the new version when they can throw an older one at them for cheaper

By the way, where does anyone show proof that microsoft said this? I see no citation or reference from anything tracable back to MS

just because you are launching a lower cost version of starter based on older OS's doesn't say "vista was a failure"

you have to remember that this is is the same stupid website that claimed microsoft's SQL Server developer edition mysteriously started with SQL Server 2005 and was made to axe out MySQL... last time I checked there was a developer edition for years and it was always $50... and a developer edition that isnt event set up to be used in production and isnt even licensed for use outside of a single developer isnt going to harm MySQL... and there has always been a free public version also of SQL Server... even before MySQL ever existed... remember the MS SQL desktop edition? MSDE? its now called Express and this stupid site is trying to claim that it just mysteriously poped up after MySQL to ruin MySQL... they need to pull their heads out of the sand

Edited April 23, 2007 by neufuse

[Fred Derf Veteran]

The Inquirer is a fake news site... And ActiveWin has listed them as the news source.. :blink:

The Inq is an edutainment news news. It combines half-truths with rumour and humour.

I personally like them although I realize that many Neowinnians take their tech news deathly serious.

I suppose if you are trying to get information ahead of your buddies so you can appear as the expert that they are not the best source as some of their claims could come back to embarrass you.

[neufuse Veteran]

man the more I read this the worse the article sounds... I thought it was always bad to start a sentance with "and", what happened to "In addition"

It is also an unprecedented admission of failure. And the funniest part about the moves made? They are the wrong things to do. Microsoft is in deep trouble.

[GEIST]

And where does MS officially and literally "admit that Vista is a failure"? Because the impression I got from reading this article is oversensationalization of biased interpretation. Oh right, it's The Inquirer. Nevermind.

This "my Vista user experience sucks so Vista is a failure for everyone" game is getting really boring.

[null_]

I've been using Windows Vista on and off since the betas, switching back and forth between Windows XP, and now that driver support is starting to look up everything has been pretty great.

[Veedems Veteran]

That means no Me II DRM infection lock in...

At that point, it became clear as day that this was nothing more than any poorly constructed rant from an anti-MS zealot. I'd be embarrassed if an article like that was ever posted on the front page of Neowin.

[JorgeIvan]

Finally :rolleyes: