Microsoft Starts Banning 360s on LIVE - MS Confirms

[FATILA]

You really think they'll be satisfied when they find out it can't access live? You can't simply say "Oh you never asked", that would be like selling a car and never mentioning it can't get into 5th gear. Expect to be reported, and who knows maybe banned again :p

[planetik]

Step 1: MS bans modified consoles

2a: Hackers sell their banned console on ebay/return it to a retailer, buys a new LIVE-compatible console - some days later, go to step 1

2b: Hackers get angry and find other exploits and run unsigned code, and eventually run homebrew

Either way, I think the hackers win. They can get serious about this stuff :pinch:

[Jeremy1]

2b: Hackers get angry and find other exploits and run unsigned code, and eventually run homebrew

They've been trying this since day one. They actually succeeded one time, but did the ethical thing and informed Microsoft first.

[OhMuffin]

Either way, I think the hackers win. They can get serious about this stuff :pinch:

Yup. I couldn't have put it better myself.

MS gets screwed ether way. Now they'll have a bunch of banned consoles getting returned or exchanged to big box stores.

Do you really think the 16-year-old pimpled face kid working at Wal-Mart is going to give a crap if the serials don't match up? 99/100 times they don't even check.

[bdsams Veteran]

Yup. I couldn't have put it better myself.

MS gets screwed ether way. Now they'll have a bunch of banned consoles getting returned or exchanged to big box stores.

Do you really think the 16-year-old pimpled face kid working at Wal-Mart is going to give a crap if the serials don't match up? 99/100 times they don't even check.

No but the door greeters will pwn you

[OhMuffin]

No but the door greeters will pwn you

LOL, the same greeters that give out those roll-back smiley face stickers to little kids?

Yesss, pwnage and a half.

[laz45]

The hackers/modders have already won since they can't stop us from playing "backups" and they never will, they are only stopping us from getting on Xbox Live...

[Samboini]

All you modders are so cool, I want to be just like you. I don't know where you derive such ingeniousity and intelligence from; is there a book I can read, no wait, download to make I as cool as thou?

[Noveed]

New firmware on the way people!!! lmao ... this time it will let you play live again but will only work with non-banned or new consoles, so for you banned guys ... unlucky ;) for you yet non-banned guys theres light at the end of the tunnel and for us non pirates ... well MEH!

[WelshBluebird]

The hackers/modders have already won since they can't stop us from playing "backups" and they never will, they are only stopping us from getting on Xbox Live...

Why can't they stop you playing backups?

Its obvious they have some way of seeing if you have modded your console of not, so there's no reason why the can't do something to stop the console playing games full stop (apart from the obvious bitch fits that would happen online)

[laz45]

Why can't they stop you playing backups?

Its obvious they have some way of seeing if you have modded your console of not, so there's no reason why the can't do something to stop the console playing games full stop (apart from the obvious bitch fits that would happen online)

Just disconnect the Ethernet cable and they will never be able to stop you from playing backups :p

[WelshBluebird]

Just disconnect the Ethernet cable and they will never be able to stop you from playing backups :p

they could put the update on future game discs and have it that the update has to run before the game can run, then you'd be limited to playing only older games

[laz45]

they could put the update on future game discs and have it that the update has to run before the game can run, then you'd be limited to playing only older games

They could of done that this week and didn't so that tells me they can't...

[Jeremy1]

They could of done that this week and didn't so that tells me they can't...

The update would be on future game discs, not ones that are already out.

[OhMuffin]

The hackers/modders have already won since they can't stop us from playing "backups" and they never will, they are only stopping us from getting on Xbox Live...

Honestly, MS isn't too smart.

Think about it;

They stopped us from accessing XBOX Live, their Marketplace.

So now I don't need to fork out $50/year for Gold, I don't need to buy any XBLA games, and no HD movies (dosen't apply to me, I'm in Canada).

It only ****s them up due to people like laz (i still love you) who are penis's and return their banned 360s to Best Buy.

Once again, more money lost on MS's part due to "defective" (banned) units.

I know a perfect solution to stop hacking/modding. Don't make a console.

No Xbox 3, then no people to mod/hack your new console. Simple.

[Jeremy1]

Honestly, MS isn't too smart.

The fools who modded are most likely Microsoft's least profitable customers. I guarantee that the hit they're taking is quite minimal.

[OhMuffin]

The fools who modded are most likely Microsoft's least profitable customers. I guarantee that the hit they're taking is quite minimal.

Actually I bought 3 XBLA games, along with retail games too. I would of loved to rent HD movies, but they don't have that in Canada. I also have 800ms points left on my gamertag.

So as you can see, your statement is foolish.

[Jeremy1]

Actually I bought 3 XBLA games, along with retail games too. I would of loved to rent HD movies, but they don't have that in Canada. I also have 800ms points left on my gamertag.

So as you can see, your statement is foolish.

I didn't say that everyone who modded bought nothing. You can't disprove my hypothesis with an anecdote.

[OhMuffin]

I didn't say that everyone who modded bought nothing. You can't disprove my hypothesis with an anecdote.

blah blah blah, whatever you just said. :wacko:

I proved you wrong, you made a foolish biased statement.

[Jeremy1]

I proved you wrong, you made a foolish biased statement.

How did you prove me wrong? I said "most likely" not "all". The fact that you bought stuff proves absolutely nothing besides the fact that some modders bought things. Which isn't a fact I contested.

[planetik]

Why can't they stop you playing backups?

Its obvious they have some way of seeing if you have modded your console of not, so there's no reason why the can't do something to stop the console playing games full stop (apart from the obvious bitch fits that would happen online)

They can't stop you from playing it because if they bricked your console, they'd be breaking your property. They also can't stop drives from reading backups because they (MS) can only flash Hitachi drives remotely through Xbox Live - and even if so - the modded firmware disallows remote flashing.

Edit: Didn't read your post correctly :pinch: Either way, another flash would probably circumvent that method too. (Update through disc)

Hackers win I tell you. \o/, haha just kidding. I'm just saying that I don't think banning a bunch of people (even if it's only like 10K people) was a smart thing to do.

[OhMuffin]

I highly doubt MS would EVER attempt to flash drives through XBL updates due to it being a highly sensitive process and could result in a lot of bricked drives.

Modifying your console breaks the ToS agreement that you accepted when signing up for Live. Therefore the only thing MS can do is kill your Xbox Live service.

[DrunknMunky Veteran]

they could put the update on future game discs and have it that the update has to run before the game can run, then you'd be limited to playing only older games

Exactly, I'm pretty sure they did this with the original Xbox. Even the PSP does it.

[laz45]

Exactly, I'm pretty sure they did this with the original Xbox. Even the PSP does it.

So even if I bought the game legally I couldn't play it because my console was banned...... That would be soooo stupid for them to do this.......

[gigapixels Veteran]

So even if I bought the game legally I couldn't play it because my console was banned...... That would be soooo stupid for them to do this.......

What? No, the idea is that there will be a firmware update on new games so that all of your "backups" won't play anymore. So no, you're not getting banned from playing the games you legally purchased, you're getting banned from playing the games you didn't purchase. It makes sense and I certainly hope it happens to all of you.