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If the transparent menu bar were to be accompanied with actual transparent (not opaque) menus, it wouldn't be so bad. But yeah, I'm pretty impressed with Leopard now, especially with the unified interface, new Finder, Stacks, and Quicklook. Definitely a much more revolutionary step than the change from XP to Vista, that's for sure. Should have been referred to as Mac OS XI (11.0) or something.

I dunno. I'm not impressed at all. New finder = unified skin + coverflow. Stacks is new, indeed, so is Spaces. Quicklook reminds me of quickview, something that came with win98. Transparent menu bar is exactly like vista's transparent taskbar. I wouldn't call these impressive.

Time machine (despite having a stupid name) might actually be useful, maybe once or twice a year. I never use iChat. I don't have a .mac account.

Core animation is not a user feature per se. It's a developer's feature.

New widgets ? How can some little apps that could have been coded by joe schmo accross the street and found through google make the list of great new features in Leopard ?

I consider myself a normal mac user (I'm not doing anything too high-end, and I do more than just web-browsing) and there is yet to be ONE feature in Leopard that will get me interested in it, or admit that a 20 months+ wait was worth it.

If Tiger was supposedly more advanced than Vista a year ago, it sure feels like Leopard is playing catch-up, and that is weird, illogical and deceiving. Maybe a stable version of boot camp in leopard will make me upgrade to it.

Edited by Dr.Jones
Still think it looks better on a CRT than a TFT?

Yeah... Get over it already. ;)

IMO, it isn't as big of a deal as you're making it sound. It's called unified resources. Removing the pinstripe from every UI element it was present in doesn't require editing all of those UI elements, it only requires editing the pinstripe texture file. If this was a theme it would be categorized as a skin tweak and not a UI overhaul.

In the end it's all about replacing some image files. But that doesn't mean that from and end-user perspective it can't look like a different world. Plus removing the pinstripes really isn't just about removing one pinstripe texture file. If you think that it's clear to me you never looked inside Extras(2).rsrc before.

I just watched the keynote and I'm not really in to the new design. Infact I'd say this is a step back not a progressive step forward. I am severely disappointed with the transparent menu bar and the new finder. What works in iTunes does not work in the finder. I really am quite shocked at the new icons they choose aswell they look bland and uninteresting. What a shame.

I just watched the keynote and I'm not really in to the new design. Infact I'd say this is a step back not a progressive step forward. I am severely disappointed with the transparent menu bar and the new finder. What works in iTunes does not work in the finder. I really am quite shocked at the new icons they choose aswell they look bland and uninteresting. What a shame.

But you haven't even used the new Finder, so how can you pass judgment on it so soon? And besides, the current Finder as it is is just too simplistic.

I like the new refresh given to Aqua. I was expecting something a bit darker to match the iPhone, but it still looks good.

I can visualise what it would be like to use. (I have a very vivid imagination!) and to me it just looks and would feel not very nice.

Also, you can just use iTunes.

I prefer the Finder as it is now. If anything the new Finder in Leopard is more simplistic. How many buttons did it actually have, what features does it have that the current Finder does not, except for Quick Looks, Coverflow and computer file shares not much. I am not impressed.

No doubt I will be upgrading to Leopard because I want Core Animation for my Apps and Quicklooks would be amazing for my workflow. But because I like some things I'm going to have to make sacrifices for the things I do not like.

I really like it, finally unified the themes (no more brushed metal yay!), love how file type contents show up in the finder (thanks to quick look, which was called a "stupid feature", love the new finder (hate the current one).

The new finder alone was reason enough for me to get Leopard, everything else is just icing on the cake. :p

Edit: they do need to tone down the translucency on the menu bar though.

I haven't watched the keynote yet, but from what I've seen from Apple's screenshots, my opinion is:

Loving:

  • The dock
  • Finder - Cover Flow seems much more practical than Vista's "icon previews", and I love the new source list
  • Stacks looks useful
  • Front Row - I'm glad they gave it AppleTV's UI

Hating:

  • The menu bar... thank goodness that can be changed
  • The consistency!! Argh, Apple, what have you done?!
  • Dashboard - a new movie widget; where's the (rest of the) beef?

General notes:

  • I'm loving the look of Leopard's installation disk. I know not important, but it seems Apple did a better job with this than the UI.
  • The entire UI looks incomplete. Why the hell are there still Aqua elements everywhere? The (blue) pressed state of the menu bar looks f***ing awful, and in System Preferences (see the Parental Controls section of Leopard's web site) it clashes horribly with the new unified (*screams in horror*) UI. The entire UI just feels a bit like "Aqua 2.0 - now with added metal!" to me.
  • What the hell happened to those secret features? The "s" makes that a plural, meaning more than two, but the only thing I notice that's any different is the desktop/UI.

Overall (and remember, I haven't watched the keynote yet), it's a nice update but I'm disappointed. I expected more than this from Apple's "biggest release of OS X ever". I hope they tweak the UI a bit more before October; bring on those glossy black scroll bars, Steve.

A few hours after the live text feeds, a good look at the Apple demos and then a watch of the keynote itself and I'm still impressed.

It's a step in the right direction again. Anyone saying this is a step backwards is welcome to stay backwards when we move to Leopard. Also, don't forget that this release is still subject to change and some things will change once the developers get a chance to plow through this initial release. This after all was a Developer conference so stop whining about no new iMacs or updates to iLife. All this will no doubt come along when Apple is good and ready to do so.

Until then, I'll be extremely content with Tiger on my iMac and thank the stars that Apple resisted temptation to try and emulate Microsoft's take on a new gui.

When Leopard's released I will update.

I can visualise what it would be like to use. (I have a very vivid imagination!) and to me it just looks and would feel not very nice.

Also, you can just use iTunes.

Use iTunes to navigate through your files and folders? Not sure what version you are using.

? Apple completely changed the look of all main windows;

? A redesigned Dock;

? New system icons;

? New menubar style;

? Complete removal of all the pinstripes throughout the OS;

? Introduction of system-wide HUD-panels;

? All mayor applications got an overhaul UI-wise.

-Apple unified the windows. Whoopee. We've had this look available via themes and Uno for...how long now? Not to mention, this is really nothing incredible.

-My dock has reflections. Yay. Is anyone actually considering this a feature? Hell, I find it annoying, simply because it makes the dock more bulky. I'm using a pretty small dock with cleardock and the reflections icons, and it's nice and minimal. It's functional, but stays out of my way. And the stacks, I'm pretty sure I took care of that a billion years ago by sticking a folder on my desktop where all my downloads go automatically.

-New Menubar? They made it...non-curved at the top corners and gave it a terrible transparency. It looks like something you'd see on a crappy rehash over at Macthemes.

-Pinstripes, again, minor editing of resources.

-HUD panels? What, you mean the transparent black windows? Those already existed before Leopard, for crying out loud.

-Yay.

And on the topic of Time Machine, since someone was talking about it - it's a great idea in theory, the problem is all the hard drive space it's going to suck up. I'd rather not have to buy an external hard drive to be able to actually use it. What we really need is a good undelete application, not something that makes a backup of a file if you delete a damn letter.

My biggest complaint is this. Apple always hypes the hell out of everything. And after all the hype, the Leopard delay, and all the jabs made at Microsoft, this is a pretty poor showing. The UI is sloppy. Honestly, I could live with it if it wasn't for the menubar Change the look, get rid of that terrible transparency. The rest is mostly superfluous crap, that I would even go as far as Aero to compare it to. There's no reason for the dock to have some stupid reflective floor gimmick. It's not functional in any way whatsoever and only makes the dock bigger.

What exactly do you mean? Have you managed to get a copy that was handed out yesterday? Or have you merely tried one of the previous builds that don't include these new features? Please enlighten me.

Neither I know a developer that does have a build which was handed out and he was nice enough to let me take a look through a session. Although it was choppy I got a feel for it.

There's no reason for the dock to have some stupid reflective floor gimmick. It's not functional in any way whatsoever and only makes the dock bigger.

While the functionality is debatable (I'd say it's more eye candy than anything), it does NOT seem to make the Dock any bigger. You can still resize the Dock to any size you like, just like always. I think the 3D effect is giving a false illusion of the Dock being larger because the icons now extend above the top of the Dock instead of being completely contained within it. It may be a tiny bit wider due to the angle of the sides, but I don't see how that would negatively impact anything as the extra space there is often unused anyway.

Some of these "I hate this" and "I can't stand that" comments are a bit confusing, given that 1) we are Mac users and 2) we are Mac users for very good reasons. Most of us come from a Windows background originally, so we know full well that we're mostly trading up, not down.

While I have no problem with reading this sort of criticism - no software/hardware maker is above it and there is always room for improvement, I'm a bit confused:

So, some of you *will not* upgrade to Leopard? :huh: which really leaves you with being stuck with Tiger, or what . . . switching to Vista or Linux?? Talk about trading down. Seriously, what else is actually better or more intuitive? It's still OS X. It's still Apple apps and iLife, etc. You might have a gripe with one or two features, fair enough, but I'm not sure it's a good idea close one's mind so quickly without looking forward to adapting yourself to the way Leopard works, and really imagining how it can improve your daily work. It's a huge step forward.

I'm truly shocked that we are ragging on a transparent menu bar. I mean, are you kidding me?? THAT'S the big deal?? Didn't Jobs tell us (at least imply) that it's there in order to not obscure your desktop background, or at least seem more seamless? I think Mac users have over the years become so accustomed to the luxury of the world's most advanced OS that we've resorted to micro-criticisms, which seemingly become the deciding factors as to whether or not we'll live with the OS.

Quite frankly, coverflow, quicklook, stacks, and spaces are some of the most tactile and spatial-oriented features I've ever heard of in an OS. I think after using it most of us will not only agree that these features represent the most natural way to use an OS, but also realize that we wouldn't want to part with these features.

Or not. In which case there's Vista, and Linux. I don't really need to tell you that these alternatives aren't really alternatives. Let's call a spade a spade.

Some of these "I hate this" and "I can't stand that" comments are a bit confusing, given that 1) we are Mac users and 2) we are Mac users for very good reasons. Most of us come from a Windows background originally, so we know full well that we're mostly trading up, not down.

While I have no problem with reading this sort of criticism - no software/hardware maker is above it and there is always room for improvement, I'm a bit confused:

So, some of you *will not* upgrade to Leopard? :huh: which really leaves you with being stuck with Tiger, or what . . . switching to Vista or Linux?? Talk about trading down. Seriously, what else is actually better or more intuitive? It's still OS X. It's still Apple apps and iLife, etc. You might have a gripe with one or two features, fair enough, but I'm not sure it's a good idea close one's mind so quickly without looking forward to adapting yourself to the way Leopard works, and really imagining how it can improve your daily work. It's a huge step forward.

I'm truly shocked that we are ragging on a transparent menu bar. I mean, are you kidding me?? THAT'S the big deal?? Didn't Jobs tell us (at least imply) that it's there in order to not obscure your desktop background, or at least seem more seamless? I think Mac users have over the years become so accustomed to the luxury of the world's most advanced OS that we've resorted to micro-criticisms, which seemingly become the deciding factors as to whether or not we'll live with the OS.

Quite frankly, coverflow, quicklook, stacks, and spaces are some of the most tactile and spatial-oriented features I've ever heard of in an OS. I think after using it most of us will not only agree that these features represent the most natural way to use an OS, but also realize that we wouldn't want to part with these features.

Or not. In which case there's Vista, and Linux. I don't really need to tell you that these alternatives aren't really alternatives. Let's call a spade a spade.

I'm going to upgrade for Stacks, Quicklooks, Core Animation. Obviously I want to upgrade for some of the features. But at the same time I'm not 100% about some other interface changes. btw the menubar transparency can be deactivated if anyone wanted to know that.

Well - it didn't blow me away (having now watched some demo's on the Apple site) but I think there are some excellent UI innovations in there and its just progressive improvement and modernisation of an already pretty darn nice UI.

I think for $129 its a superb value package. Time machine alone looks to be a very powerful application wrapped up in a pretty interface that I feel makes it worth the money alone. Its certainly not put me off wanting to upgrade to a Mac in the near future. Like many folks i'm completely lazy with my backups.. if all I have to do is slap in an external HDD and say "right, keep a back up of my files from now on" then I think thats a brilliant product.

And how right was Steve jobs when he said that desktops are only cluttered because of downloads? Thats exactly why my desktop ends up with 30, 40 items on it. Just have to admire the fact that he knows what people want from a personal computer.. and again, its reasons like that why i'm well determined to switch over as soon as I can raise some money! :)

i'll just remind people of the reaction of the crowd in the keynote stream when Jobs showed the new desktop:

Laughter.

i'm pretty sure they all thought it was a take on Vista (and some of my friends agreed with me on that)

I don't like the new desktop - even though the Leopard Server screenshot looks nice.

The unified UI, though, will come in handy

I think Mac users have over the years become so accustomed to the luxury of the world's most advanced OS that we've resorted to micro-criticisms, which seemingly become the deciding factors as to whether or not we'll live with the OS.

Hahaha. Christ, I'm dying here. No, you know why I'm being critical? Because somebody has to, and it's obvious that people like yourself aren't going to. Apple's entire advertising campaign revolves around saying "hay pcs suck get a mac lolz". The CEO of their company gets on a stage in front of thousands of people and takes childish pot-shots at the competition (of course, this is while they push the ability to run Windows as a major selling point of Leopard). Fine. Do whatever you want, it's not illegal by any means. But dammit, if you're going to spend that much time making fun of the other guy you sure as hell better be ready to deliver the goods when the time comes. And this is what they're showing me? This is what I'm waiting until October for? I've seen better themes done by amateurs on Macthemes, for crying out loud.

Of course, I'm not really surprised the guy with "apple cultist" as his user title and Neo are defending it valiantly. The Steve could go on live TV, tonight, and kick a puppy, and Neo'd be here 5 minutes later telling us how great it was. Apple could sell an aluminum buttplug with spikes and razor blades embedded in it, and Neo would buy one the day they got put up on the Apple store and post a glowing review.

This is the exact problem with most of the Apple userbase. It's filled with people who just got their Mac within the last 6 months who instantly feel the need to start lapping up everything and jumping to Apple's defense. If anything, we should be MORE critical of them, considering all the mocking they like to do of the competition. No, you're right, Microsoft might not be putting out "the world's most advanced OS", but at least they're not stupid ###### about it. Bill Gates is probably one of the nicest guys out there, and he's donated an incredible amount of his money to various charities.

And for the record, this is all coming from someone whose first computer was a Macintosh Classic. I've used Macs forever. I like them. However, I hate roughly 98% of everyone else who has one.

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The app is evolving all the time and has made leaps and bounds since I first started reviewing TerraMaster devices almost three years ago. It is not quite there yet if you are comparing the likes of Synology, which, sadly, a lot of users online do all the time. OpenClaw setup One of the main selling points of the new F4-425 Pro is the inclusion of OpenClaw, with TerraMaster claiming that it is "powered by the world's first AI-native TOS 7 OS, supporting local-first smart workflows and independent data control." However, I immediately ran into problems trying to enable OpenClaw. After waiting 20 minutes at the "Enabling" message of the OpenClaw app following installation, I decided to do some searching online and discovered that it couldn't complete the installation process due to SPC being enabled, which is something TOS 7 immediately recommends to be enabled on first boot. SPC for NAS (TOS 7) is basically the same principle as UAC in Windows; it blocks executables from being launched by non-Super Users. After reaching out to my contact about these issues, I received the following response: Anyway, this only became clear when I closed the OpenClaw app screen and clicked on the OpenClaw icon in the taskbar; that is when I saw the message about disabling SPC. I think, due to the fact that this is a requirement, this should be a prompt during the installation process, not when closing the App Market and then trying to launch OpenClaw. There's also no 'Getting started' guide for people like me who have never used OpenClaw. I tried to add an LLM and discovered the tutorial led nowhere. That's when I started looking around the official TerraMaster forums, and I found a guide that helpfully explains that you won't get anywhere with OpenClaw unless you have a paid plan, which is disappointing because I imagined there would be an option to use a local LLM as I do in SubtitleEdit with Whisper-XXL. In addition, with the marketing imagery on the official site, it says that the OpenClaw feature is "all processed 100% locally for absolute privacy." which led me to believe that I could install a local LLM, not one that required paid tokens. In any case, TerraMaster does not provide guidance for this new feature, which was also a selling point of the F4-425 Pro! My contact also provided clarification about the above points I raised with TerraMaster Since it is not in the scope of the review to add paid services, I'll leave that to the people who are more qualified with OpenClaw. F4-425 Pro Surveillance App TOS also comes with a Surveillance app, which is not installed by default; it can be found in the App Market recommended section. In addition, after installing, it doesn't drop a shortcut on the Desktop or top taskbar, but you can "Send to Desktop" from the App Market listing for the app for a quick way to open it. Adding my Reolink POE doorbell camera was painless. TerraMaster doesn't appear to have a repository of preconfigured cameras; instead, the camera must be added using ONVIF or RTSP. No mobile Surveillance app TerraMaster still doesn't have a dedicated Surveillance app, although from searching online, Surveillance can be used and managed through the TNAS mobile app. I tried this with the updated TNAS mobile app beta in combination with TOS 7 and got a message that Surveillance was "Only accessible through web browser," so I reckon this must be limited to the stable versions of TOS 6 and the mobile app. More quirks In addition, whenever I minimized the Live View window in the browser Surveillance app, the feed appeared to switch to the Low-bandwidth stream, and there was no way to get the High-quality stream back. To get the High-quality stream back, I had to close Live View and then reopen it. Benchmarking A pretty cool feature of the TOS 7 is that it allows you to install directly to the NVMe M.2 SSD. In order to do that, you would have to leave out any HDDs during initialization, and even then, the system partitions are always written to two HDDs when they are eventually added. With three NVMe slots, this also gives an interesting scenario where you could build a TRAID storage Pool for installing all your apps and Docker on, and keep the third for SSD cache on the HDD pool. Limitless options! SATA PCIe 3.0 X1 A CrystalDiskMark test on a mapped network drive from within a Windows 11 25H2 PC (image above) connected over a 5 GbE hub was well within acceptable ranges. Although the read result on SATA was a little less than with the F4-425 Plus, for some reason, while writes were generally better. SATA PCIe 3.0 X1 I also ran the NAS Performance tester, which tests the link speed performance. As you can see, it pretty much maxes out the 5GbE connection. Of course, you can also opt to bond the two 5 GbE connections for a bit more umph, but I didn't do that. TOS 7, which, as of testing, is still in Beta, comes with an App Center that has a bunch of handy programs you can install right off the bat, such as Emby, Plex, Docker, as well as in-house Backup and Surveillance solutions. As you can imagine, any media streaming services you would want to host off the F4-425 Pro will work great, thanks to the Intel Core N350 CPU and its 16 GB of DDR5 memory. Accessing from mobile is only possible if Security Isolation Mode is disabled, which can put your NAS at risk from external sources, so there was no way to access it from the TNAS Mobile app. It's also quiet. I had this sat next to my computer on my work desk for the past week, and I did wonder if the noise I was accustomed to with NAS devices would annoy me, but all I could hear was a soft whirring of the rear fan (which was a little annoying) when the disks were not actively copying or reading data. Conclusion So what have I learned? Unfortunately, this release raises a few important questions and concerns that I feel haven't been adequately addressed. What I didn't like Our variant shipped with TOS 7 beta, and it's advised not to use it in a production environment. I feel that's a bit limiting on an $800 device. The mobile app is also still in beta and does not support some of the first-party apps, like Surveillance, and it still has quite a few bugs. I am a bit confused about the OpenClaw marketing along with the F4-425 Pro. I feel like that if it's going to be a main selling point, then offer official guidance on how to get started with it. TerraMaster recommends enabling SPC, but then markets the NAS for use with OpenClaw, which requires disabling SPC to be able to use it, opening up genuine security concerns for the NAS; and that's before you get into the security concerns of OpenClaw itself. Of course, the above issues won't be a problem if you decide to install something else on it, or even go back to the stable TOS 6. I wish TerraMaster had just given TOS 7 as opt-in rather than shipping with it. TOS 7 has been available as a preview since December 2025 (so well before my last TerraMaster review), and according to a thread on Reddit where a user shared a screenshot from the TerraMaster Facebook page, it is scheduled to launch today, June 23, but there's nothing about that in the TerraMaster news blog. My contact confirmed over email that TOS 7 exits beta today. The rubber feet also deserve a mention as they continue to be a problem, with them coming unstuck the moment you shift the F4-425 Pro anywhere on your desk. What I liked What it comes down to, though, aside from what I already mentioned, you are still getting a quality, affordable device here, so recommending it will depend on the individual's use case. If you're just looking for a relatively small NAS device to manage virtual machines on, backup your files, and take care of your home theater streaming, then it is a great device that will certainly futureproof you for some time. It provides good performance, takes up little space, and is, on the whole, very quiet. Four bays afford proper redundancy using TRAID or RAID 5, and you can even expand on storage capacity by adding the 2-bay D5, or 4-bay D8 Hybrid DAS over a USB 3.2 (10Gbps) link. Considering the 2024 releases were more about power, with the likes of an Intel Core i5-1235U high-end laptop CPU under the hood, I asked my contact last time if we could expect more of the same in higher-end models and was told: It makes a lot of sense to use Intel's N350 chip inside a NAS; it is more than capable of doing what the F4-425 Pro is intended for, media streaming and backup. The only downside is still the clear lack of community and even staff support on the official forums. In the past, I have had topics go unanswered for days, or there would be generic-type "we've noted this and passed it onto our developer team" type responses. Along with the other things I mentioned, it all ends up costing it a couple of points. If you are comfortable with the command line, Docker, and setting up TrueNAS or Unraid, you'll be fine. You can do great things with this hardware. In TOS, the apps are a bit lacking, and things don't always work as expected.\ AI NAS?! What has become clear to me this year is that we are going to start seeing all kinds of "AI NAS" come to market, and while that might be good for us consumers, be diligent and research these claims. Although the F4-425 Pro technically comes with AI, it is really using a cloud service that is externally sourced off-device through the third party OpenClaw app. My colleague did review a newcomer to the NAS space earlier this year, and it includes a local AI assistant inside the Zettlab D4 NAS, and they do not even use AI in the product name, check out Chris' review here. Where to buy and a discount coupon However, it does not change the fact that this is truly a great entry-level home media-class NAS that you can buy right now. TerraMaster is having a 20% off launch discount, plus you can also still apply our unique 10% off coupon on checkout, which only works on the official website. So here is a breakdown of the pricing that is only valid on the official TerraMaster website. TerraMaster F4-425 Pro (N350) + 20% discount + 10% coupon = $575.99 TerraMaster F4-425 Pro (N305) + 20% discount + 10% coupon = $503.99 TerraMaster F4-425 Pro (N350) + 20% discount + 10% coupon = £525.59 TerraMaster F4-425 Pro (N305) + 20% discount + 10% coupon = £460.79 Use NEOWIN coupon code during checkout for 10% discount Over on Amazon US and UK, the F4-425 Pro also gets a 20% launch discount, but here, the above 10% coupon cannot be applied. TerraMaster F4-425 Pro (N350) for $639.99 at Amazon US (was $799.99) TerraMaster F4-425 Pro (N305) for $559.99 at Amazon US (was $699.99) TerraMaster F4-425 Pro (N350) for £583.99 at Amazon UK (was £729.99) TerraMaster F4-425 Pro (N305) for £511.99 at Amazon UK (was £639.99) As an Amazon Associate, when you purchase through links on our site, we earn from qualifying purchases.
    • well you can add a GPU for around $500, that's still around the price of Steam Machine but overall significantly better in performance.
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