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Downloadable HD movies... wonder how large these are going to be? Comcast already gets ****ed if you download stuff like that as it is...

well hopefully lots of people are going to start using it and it will push isps to remove the limits. That way they can't say only pirates download lots lol

Thats the point though, I dished out couple hundred for a product, only to expect myself to have to pay more for apps "that are not even new".

I already paid $300 for the darn thing just a couple weeks ago... now they say all new ones have it for FREE! yet if you bought it before you have to PAY! for it? your argument is stupid in that sense... it should of been free for everyone... firmware / software updates cost Apple nothing to put out almost... just should of been a 1.1.3 update with them...

Haha, Apple sure has you right where they want you huh? The point is exactly that, he just spend hundreds of dollars on an iPod, and now he has to pay $20 more for some simple features? Apple has always been the masters of getting a few more dollars out of people. I can't even imagine how much money they make on small sales every year.

and that is why i am just jailbreaking my touch.

I'm furious at that I should have to pay $20 (or whatever it's going to be in the UK) just so I can have the iPhone apps. Just because I got my iPod Touch 3 weeks before this announcement doesn't mean I should be left out. It's totally absurd.

well hopefully lots of people are going to start using it and it will push isps to remove the limits. That way they can't say only pirates download lots lol

Heck comcast kicked me off for using my VPN too much to do work *LOL* being a software dev moving around hundreds of megs to gigs a day wasnt in their liking... our source code base alone is 4GB... and a daily change list of 200+MB plus resources are large and stuff... data files for testing are huge... but it made them mad... claiming I was using it for work which was against their TOS... which Comcast clearly said on their site at the time "Work from home!" on their residential account... but I seriously doubt they will remove their limits... Comcast probably will make them wrose... or use the excuse "use our ondemand service its better and doesnt use up bandwidth from the internet"

Why should the Touch have those apps, though? It's a damn iPod. At this point, the Touch is an iPhone that can't call and without a mobile contract. I'd say that's pretty damn good.

ok, so the touch shouldnt have wi-fi, you tube etc, everything we asked for?

If you dont like the touch get a classic or a nano. or even a shuffle or an older ipod off e-bay...

In the time left, Steve better live up to his reputation... :/

Agreed. I feel rather underwhelmed by it all :/

9:58am - "Let me go to Flickr now -- this is Flickr live, right from their servers. I can show you all the photos, but I can do something even more fun, I can see not only their photos, but their friends' photos!" [Can't we just hurry up and get to the new laptop? - Peter] :p

Actually from everything I've read, this wasn't up to Apple but the studios. The studios told Apple it is this way or they aren't signing on.

I just don't get why they want so much from Apple but the second block buster does it (bad example) its lower... heck netflix is cheaper (i think, i forget)... but I know for sure I can rent a HD movie in Bluray or HDDVD from my local rental store in this town for only $2.50 a night... why can they do it so much cheaper?

I think it's a bit **** they're charging for the Touch upgrade. Considering new ones will have it built in if I understood, it's just pure money greed. For those saying that it's a mp3 player, I'd say it's more. They included WiFi and other stuff into it, so the underlying technology is there. I think they just want people to buy the iPhone instead, but meh.

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