The_Decryptor Veteran Posted February 21, 2008 Veteran Share Posted February 21, 2008 Regarding the icons, they're being done by the Iconfactory, you might know of some of the other work they've done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smitjel Posted February 21, 2008 Share Posted February 21, 2008 Er, no, that 'logic' is not misguided at all! People just have different opinions. I'm doing a software engineering degree at university and I agree that the features are the most important part of software; however, the user interface also has to be friendly and intuitive, as well as nice to look at. Whilst Firefox 3's UI is somewhat user friendly, it certainly isn't nice to look at and many people use that as the deciding factor on whether they will use the web browser or not.It isn't logic, it's personal opinion and it certainly isn't "misguided". Good luck in getting your degree. I actually got my computer engineering degree 5 years ago. It's understood that UI is important but that's not what the OP was talking about. Because FF3 supposedly doesn't have the "Vista look", then FF3 isn't worth using. That's crap. But to each his own, even if one's own opinion is a tad misguided. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randolph Posted February 21, 2008 Share Posted February 21, 2008 I don't know if this was posted but I have some good news: Could everyone quickly provide very specific and complete information on howthey are achieving Aero glass functionality. The code freeze for beta 4 is on Tuesday, and that is our last chance to make major changes to the appearance of Firefox so we can still generate some feedback before RC1. If anyone has a solution that we overlooked that doesn't suffer from the problems of color key areas in the content area turning to glass, and isn't as involved as specifying areas of glass at the widget layer (bug 418454), please tell us exactly what you figured out as soon as you possibly can. I really want us to support glass, but we need to understand your approach. Quick update from a call with beltzner and mconnor: there is really no way wecould take this change for beta 4. However, if we get a working implementation very soon some of us are interested in potentially considering a beta 5 proposing that we possibly delay the schedule so that we can include support for glass in this release. Additional thing we need to consider: -what happens if the user has a larger font in the location bar, do we calculate the height of the navigation toolbar or would that value need to be hard coded? :woot: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnzoFX Posted February 21, 2008 Share Posted February 21, 2008 I'm sure FF will deliver, just as it always have. Shame on you for all having such stupid doubts. And I still stand by my last post. You all forget that here on neowin, you are not the average user. Enough said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Decryptor Veteran Posted February 22, 2008 Veteran Share Posted February 22, 2008 I don't know if this was posted but I have some good news:... :woot: This means just calling DwmExtendFrameIntoClientArea and continuing to use our drawing code as if the window was a regular opaque window would be *extremely* dodgy.The right way to do this would be to use DwmExtendFrameIntoClientArea to make the whole window glass, and then enable our transparent window support and make the parts of the window you want to be glassy transparent. Only problem is, there's a major performance hit for this and because we don't support content IFRAMEs in translucent chrome windows, you wouldn't be able to view Web content. Oh well. Post-1.9, the Compositor work will fix that bug and make this a lot more feasible. Glass support isn't the most important feature, so it's better to wait until they have a good implementation of it, rather than hacking it in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1Frothy Posted February 22, 2008 Author Share Posted February 22, 2008 Wow. That statement really just seems to fit the entire Microsoft/Windows culture. It's like you guys let insignificant things cloud your judgment on what really matters in software (web browsers, operating systems, etc.). Nevermind the underlying security of the browser or how well it conforms to web standards...nah, let's base our decision on how well it fits the Vista theme.Good grief...how misguided is that logic? Before spouting perhaps add "IMHO". ;) Truth is that while Mozilla are trying to make their browser fit Windows Vista, it's really a bit of a poor effort since Vista has been out for over a year and there are significant numbers of Windows Vista users now. I still use Fx, sometimes. But only very rarely. The other feature of Fx that is really lacking is RSS Feed handling. For me it's a big deal and IE handles RSS far better than Fx. And I haven't found a Fx plugin that enhances RSS handling in Fx to the extent I want. For those who haven't seen, someone posted this to the glass discussion on Bugzilla: It was done with existing code, using a few extra css tweaks. Looks pretty good to me, if somebody does a theme with that, I'll be totally happy with it. Link to Bugzilla: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=367993 I really like that look. Here's hoping that this will make it into the final release of Fx 3.0. (Y) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayepecks Posted February 22, 2008 Share Posted February 22, 2008 That looks amazing... hope it works out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1Frothy Posted February 22, 2008 Author Share Posted February 22, 2008 These new toolbar icons in the latest trunk / nightly build are actually nice. Now all there is left to do is make the toolbar and menu area transparent and I'm happy. :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Decryptor Veteran Posted February 22, 2008 Veteran Share Posted February 22, 2008 Isn't going to happen (read the quote I posted) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stockwiz Posted February 22, 2008 Share Posted February 22, 2008 (edited) Wow. That statement really just seems to fit the entire Microsoft/Windows culture. It's like you guys let insignificant things cloud your judgment on what really matters in software (web browsers, operating systems, etc.). Nevermind the underlying security of the browser or how well it conforms to web standards...nah, let's base our decision on how well it fits the Vista theme.Good grief...how misguided is that logic? you're describing american culture as a whole there, buddy.. all style over substance, with no depth... everything is superficial. Still, a certain amount of aesthetics should be expected, though personally the way v2 looks is fine to me.. I prefer simple functionality.. the noia theme does the trick for me. Edited February 22, 2008 by stockwiz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayepecks Posted February 22, 2008 Share Posted February 22, 2008 :rolleyes: Anyone who doesn't think looks matter is ignorant, plain and simple. Do you base who you're attracted to only on their personality, or are you interested in looks? Do you buy a car based only on what's inside, or are you also concerned about its looks? Some people want things to look good. Maybe you don't, but go take your social tirades somewhere else, because this isn't the topic for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadCap Posted February 24, 2008 Share Posted February 24, 2008 Well with the latest nightly it looks like the actual Vista Blue icons have landed with firefox. I have to agree with others that a transparent/translucent theme would help much more than just changing icons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
what Posted February 24, 2008 Share Posted February 24, 2008 :rolleyes:Anyone who doesn't think looks matter is ignorant, plain and simple. Do you base who you're attracted to only on their personality, or are you interested in looks? Do you buy a car based only on what's inside, or are you also concerned about its looks? Some people want things to look good. Maybe you don't, but go take your social tirades somewhere else, because this isn't the topic for it. You're comparing love and cars to a web browser. Nice one. People want the transparency because it fits in with the Vista interface. FF2 looks out of place with its XP-style menus. If it can be done with "a few CSS tweaks", then what's the problem if it's going to make Firefox more appealing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayepecks Posted February 25, 2008 Share Posted February 25, 2008 I think you don't understand the concept of my post, because you're agreeing with me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Frank B. Subscriber² Posted February 27, 2008 Subscriber² Share Posted February 27, 2008 The 'keyhole' has now landed in the OS X theme as well: I'm not overly impressed with it. What are your thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shakey_snake Posted February 27, 2008 Share Posted February 27, 2008 (edited) I'm not overly impressed with it. What are your thoughts? I think the combined back and forward button is a definite improvement over the separate buttons with separate dropdowns. I could probably care less what the button looks like, as long as it clearly represents it's function. :rolleyes:Anyone who doesn't think looks matter is ignorant, plain and simple. Do you base who you're attracted to only on their personality, or are you interested in looks? OH NO YOU DIDN'T! Did you seriously, just compare browsers to girls? This is why web browsers have their own section. :rolleyes: Edited February 27, 2008 by shakey_snake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Digitalx Posted February 27, 2008 Share Posted February 27, 2008 looks nuce in osx :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zhangm Supervisor Posted February 27, 2008 Supervisor Share Posted February 27, 2008 I actually tried making a unique look similar to the keyhole design. Turned out to be a pain in the ass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreadBoat89 Posted February 27, 2008 Share Posted February 27, 2008 Well with the latest nightly it looks like the actual Vista Blue icons have landed with firefox. I have to agree with others that a transparent/translucent theme would help much more than just changing icons wondering if this is happening to everybody... did the vista icons suddenly disappear from the nightly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Frank B. Subscriber² Posted February 27, 2008 Subscriber² Share Posted February 27, 2008 The Vista icon theme was pulled from the Firefox 3 nightlies until this bug is resolved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(Spork) Posted February 27, 2008 Share Posted February 27, 2008 i could careless what it looks like its the best browser out there so ill use it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
what Posted February 27, 2008 Share Posted February 27, 2008 The 'keyhole' has now landed in the OS X theme as well: http://localhostr.com/files/cbe2f7/Picture%201.png I'm not overly impressed with it. What are your thoughts? It seems to work better but it just doesn't suit OS X. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayepecks Posted February 28, 2008 Share Posted February 28, 2008 I actually tried making a unique look similar to the keyhole design.Turned out to be a pain in the ass. That looks interesting :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shihchiun Posted February 28, 2008 Share Posted February 28, 2008 There'll be 10 different Vista themes anyway... what's the big deal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckaroo Posted February 28, 2008 Share Posted February 28, 2008 There'll be 10 different Vista themes anyway... what's the big deal? Exactly. Didn't use any other browser since Firebird 0.2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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