Toshiba offically confirms death of HD-DVD

[TDQuiksilver]

See, you're the one that seems to have a problem with those that supported HD DVD, and you're the one creating the arguments. Up until your reply to his post, I saw no sort of arguing in this thread; it was rather a nice discussion. I'm not bitter, and neither is he. He's simply commenting on why he thought HD DVD lost. I don't see how that makes him seem bitter about anything. Just because it's over doesn't mean we can't speculate or comment on what we think went wrong with HD DVD's campaign or anything else that happened.

You're still not getting it... I think you're here to stir things up. Such a no no. I believe you are adding to the fire.

I've agreed with all the points made as to why Blu-ray succeeded. Over and over. Since day one. However, it seems those having the intention to "speculate" why HD-DVD fumbled this badly are the one's drawing out half-(you know) excuses... as if it's another reason to drag it on.

Again, of the things we should be speculating are the next moves by the Blu-ray camp. It's the format moving on... what they are up to would be the better, and probably more interesting discussion.

[gigapixels Veteran]

You're still not getting it... I think you're here to stir things up. Such a no no. I believe you are adding to the fire.

I'm not here to do any such thing. You're the one causing the arguments, and rather blatantly in fact.

I've agreed with all the points made as to why Blu-ray succeeded. Over and over. Since day one. However, it seems those having the intention to "speculate" why HD-DVD fumbled this badly are the one's drawing out half-(you know) excuses... as if it's another reason to drag it on.

Again, of the things we should should be speculating are the next moves by the Blu-ray camp.

Nobody should be speculating about anything, but we can speculate or comment about anything we'd like. This is a free discussion. If you don't like what somebody is talking about then just don't talk about it. Don't harass them and cause arguments just because you don't think they should be talking about something.

This is a thread about the demise of HD DVD, not what Blu-ray's next move is. This is one of the best places to comment on what we think could have gone better for HD DVD. If you don't want to hear about it, this isn't the thread for you. Move on.

[TDQuiksilver]

I'm not here to do any such thing. You're the one causing the arguments, and rather blatantly in fact.

You appeared out of nowhere to unleash such slander against me. Looks like we are both guilty. ;)

Nobody should be speculating about anything, but we can speculate or comment about anything we'd like. This is a free discussion. If you don't like what somebody is talking about then just don't talk about it. Don't harass them and cause arguments just because you don't think they should be talking about something.

Exactly - a free discussion. Nor are you here to dictate who can or can't input however they wish. Or is this some sort of double standard because I have been an avid supporter of Blu-ray since day one? In any case, sales did matter. The marketing put it there. All of this combined into one is what made the pie complete. How can you still debate that?

[PiracyX]

You've pretty much been spewing the same nonsense we've all heard over and over... care to share anything new? It's all over with ... what more could you possibly argue about? Is there some actual need to pick it apart for self satisfaction? "If's" and "but's" won't cut it here when debating HD-DVD... it's as good as gone. Somebody is bitter about dumping funds into a dead format it seems.

It was as good as gone for many Studios and Retailers anyway the moment it was first released. I asked a few people at work today if they knew what HD-DVD was....they didn't have a clue. They knew what Blu-ray was though. Funny that :shifty:

[TDQuiksilver]

It was as good as gone for many Studios and Retailers anyway the moment it was first released. I asked a few people at work today if they knew what HD-DVD was....they didn't have a clue. They knew what Blu-ray was though. Funny that :shifty:

And do you suppose that was from the recent news this past week... or FUD the HD-DVD camp spread to try to slay the beast? The reason I'm curious is because... remember all those "most Playstation 3 owners don't have a clue that their unit can play Blu-ray media" studies and so forth? Somebody was fibbing.

[gigapixels Veteran]

You appeared out of nowhere to unleash such slander against me. Looks like we are both guilty. ;)

Slander, no. Truth, yes.

Exactly - a free discussion. Nor are you here to dictate who can or can't input however they wish. Or is this some sort of double standard because I have been an avid supporter of Blu-ray since day one?

My god, get off it. I don't care what you support, I simply hate it when people think that their opinion is the only correct one and therefore the discussion is over. We can debate how we'd like, quit harassing us and calling us blind fools because we don't agree with you.

In any case, sales did matter. The marketing put it there. All of this combined into one is what made the pie complete. How can you still debate that?

PiracyX has stated it plainly. If you don't agree, that's fine, but that doesn't make our opinions any less valid.

[PiracyX]

sales did matter. The marketing put it there.

Oh come on, we know that's not true now don't we? Since when was it ever a fair fight between the two formats?

I don't care if you were a Blu-ray supporter from day one, that just makes you even more biased towards any hate to the format. And no i do not own either format.

[TDQuiksilver]

Slander, no. Truth, yes.

My god, get off it. I don't care what you support, I simply hate it when people think that their opinion is the only correct one and therefore the discussion is over. We can debate how we'd like, quit harassing us and calling us blind fools because we don't agree with you.

PiracyX has stated it plainly. If you don't agree, that's fine, but that doesn't make our opinions any less valid.

Nobody is downplaying anything, but you. Take your bad day attitude elsewhere. I basically agreed with everything he has had to say - except for the questioning on why we are beating this to death.

Remember a debate is just that - two or more individuals agreeing and/or disagreeing about such things... even if their thoughts never seem to correlate. Those of us will find it easy to come to a comprimise at one point in a debate. Can you?

I wonder how many more times I will have to state the agreement on behalf of his comments. Oy.

Oh come on, we know that's not true now don't we? Since when was it ever a fair fight between the two formats?

I don't care if you were a Blu-ray supporter from day one, that just makes you even more biased towards any hate to the format. And no i do not own either format.

The world revolves around bias. Unfortunately. Don't act too surprised, heh. :p

[arrrgh]

Looking forward to Amazon HD-DVD sales.. too bad this means that there probably won't be any BOGOs with decent titles anymore.

[Mathachew Veteran]

Looking forward to Amazon HD-DVD sales.. too bad this means that there probably won't be any BOGOs with decent titles anymore.

I'd imagine they'd make exceptions so that you can take any HD DVD that they have left in stock to simply get rid of it, but that's just me.

[TDQuiksilver]

I'd imagine they'd make exceptions so that you can take any HD DVD that they have left in stock to simply get rid of it, but that's just me.

Exactly. The smart move would be to move any remaining HD-DVD discs around. But that probably won't happen until the summer I would imagine.

[gigapixels Veteran]

Remember a debate is just that - two or more individuals agreeing and/or disagreeing about such things... even if their thoughts never seem to correlate. Those of us will find it easy to come to a comprimise at one point in a debate. Can you?

Uh, yes, I completely understand the point of a debate. What I disagree with is calling people bitter and blind fools simply because they disagree with a certain point of yours. You did just that. If we refrain from name-calling then we can have a nice debate, and all I'm asking is you do just that.

[Ferret]

Shame - But never mind eh.

[Bhav]

I don't understand people who moan about HD DVD not being given a "proper" chance - um...this is how 'wars' are won...retailers will do what they think consumers want...how is that not giving HD DVD a chance? It's HD DVD's supporters' fault for not marketing appropriately. It's HD DVD's fault for not appealing to movie studios.

Sony and the BDA did a better job of appealing to movie studios and therefore consumers - and what's wrong with doing whatever's necessary to take the other format down? Ultimately the consumers did win because no one will be sat there pondering over which format to invest in.