Hazro 24" HZ24W S-IPS Monitor

[Robbie Khan Reviews]

Did you contact them to find out what's going on? it "could" be that they are implementing the Vista fix on your screen so had to delay the delivery so you get a updated unit. Worth finding out!

[Twisted Chaz]

They just said it was the delivery company. I doubt they lied, and I don't have much inclination to update to vista at the moment. So I could easily wait for a swap.

[Robbie Khan Reviews]

Forgot the courier they use but mine certainly came next day dude!

[Twisted Chaz]

Just arrived. Boy this thing is wide!

Reminds me of the first time I got a decent fisheye lens.

Gonna let it warm up for about an hour then calibrate it. HD looks so good. Have you got any good wallpapers? I was looking for some HDR ones to show off the colours, but I can't find any. And also what is your refresh rate set at.

BAH 1 dead pixel in the top right.

[Robbie Khan Reviews]

is it a black pixel? ips monitors will show black on a dead pixel, anything else is usually a stuck pixel which can resolve itself or if you use deadpixelbuddy or something! My refresh rate is 60hz btw, it's

either way i'd let them know, they should be able to do a swap for it :)

[Twisted Chaz]

Yeah e-mailed them about it, and I've been tapping it to try and wake it up. will look at deadpixelbuddy.

Edited April 23, 2008 by bmaher

[Robbie Khan Reviews]

Looks good! what model is the Dell btw

[mail]

Now i want one! Might sell my Dell 2407WFP.

[5Horizons]

Wish they were available in the States -- I've been looking for a good S-IPS monitor for quite a while now. Hopefully Apple will come out with a 24" model at some point.

[Twisted Chaz]

Looks good! what model is the Dell btw

It's the 1905FP, It's not too bad.

I think I need a new graphics card though, only running it on a 6600GT

[Robbie Khan Reviews]

Heh yep you'll see increased 2D IQ using at least a 7series card :)

[Wannes]

What a great monitor. I'll sell my cinema display and take 2 please. Only pity is that I can't seem to find a retailer in Belgium.

[boy_lah]

hi Mrk & Twisted,

I'm a serious / advanced photographer looking for an upgrade from my current Dell 2407WFP. I only deal in sRGB for web + high street printing, I have the Huey Pro and running XP + 7900GS. I'm not concerned about games or watching moveis it's pretty much for photos & web surfing / pc use only.

Having read alot about constrast shifting, i have to say I'm not that bothered by it - at least not on my Dell. So I'm mainly looking at the Hazro for better colours / better image quality. My alternative is the Lacie 324 which is S-IPA but has LUT calibration if i pay for the software bundle. So, my questions are:

- Does the Hazro satisfy your needs for photo editing? Is the lower contrast level an issue? I do a lot of B&W editing.

- Ignoring contrast shift issues, do you think the Lacie is likely to be superior monitor over the Hazro? e.g. better calibratibility/quality control/uniformity etc?

- will my Huey Pro be sufficient or do i need to upgrade to a X-rite Display 2? and where do i get the software to calibrate the internal LUT? Hazro is not making theirs available, can I use others?

Hazro is about ?460 vs Lacie ?780 (incl hood & software). I don't mind the price delta if the Lacie is a superior quality screen for photos (contrast shift aside).

The only other consideration is the Lacie is wide gamut but they way I understand it I should be ok as new versions of Photoshop/Lightroom/Office/Firefox etc will be colour 'aware' and therefore will render my colours correctly? Of course Xp itself is not and my other less critical apps are not. I assume with the right browser, i'll render web content correctly? Am I right here?

thanks in advance,

Edited April 24, 2008 by boy_lah

[SirEvan]

I'm a serious / advanced photographer looking for an upgrade from my current Dell 2407WFP. I only deal in sRGB for web + high street printing.

I find it funny you say you're a serious and advanced photographer, and yet you only deal in sRGB? AdobeRGB is much better, sRGB is only good for web, or making sure what you're editing is displayed well on others monitors. Every pro photographer I know, as well as myself, work exclusively in AdobeRGB until ready for final print, at which point I convert to my Labs LIGHTJET profile.

I'm thinking about buying one of these, would anyone in the UK be willing to ship it to me if i buy one?

Edited April 24, 2008 by SirEvan

[toadeater]

Wish they were available in the States -- I've been looking for a good S-IPS monitor for quite a while now. Hopefully Apple will come out with a 24" model at some point.

Read this:

http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1268063

I am going to buy one as soon as they are available again. They seem to be sold out in the US. I just hope they aren't discontinued permanently because of the demand for this H-IPS panel by bigger companies like NEC, Planar, and Apple. When it is available again, I would check to make sure they haven't switched the panels around to an MVA or something.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...Sight%2bDS-263N

It uses the same H-IPS panel (LG.Philips LM260WU1) as the $950 Planar:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16824016084

NEC sells the 24" version (LG.Philips LM240WU1) LCD2490WUXi for ~$1200!

[boy_lah]

I find it funny you say you're a serious and advanced photographer, and yet you only deal in sRGB? AdobeRGB is much better, sRGB is only good for web, or making sure what you're editing is displayed well on others monitors. Every pro photographer I know, as well as myself, work exclusively in AdobeRGB until ready for final print, at which point I convert to my Labs LIGHTJET profile.

It's my passion but not my living. For my purposes, my photos are primarily viewed on the web and printed on high street labs which deal in sRGB. So although I know aRGB is wider gamut, for my personal purposes, sRGB is what I deal in.

Read this:

http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1268063

I am going to buy one as soon as they are available again. They seem to be sold out in the US. I just hope they aren't discontinued permanently because of the demand for this H-IPS panel by bigger companies like NEC, Planar, and Apple. When it is available again, I would check to make sure they haven't switched the panels around to an MVA or something.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...Sight%2bDS-263N

It uses the same H-IPS panel (LG.Philips LM260WU1) as the $950 Planar:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16824016084

NEC sells the 24" version (LG.Philips LM240WU1) LCD2490WUXi for ~$1200!

hi, appreciate the help but in europe/uk - NEC 2490 / DoubleSight / Plannar not sold. Only affordable IPS option is Hazro. Apple of course but not cheap.

[Robbie Khan Reviews]

hi Mrk & Twisted,

I'm a serious / advanced photographer looking for an upgrade from my current Dell 2407WFP. I only deal in sRGB for web + high street printing, I have the Huey Pro and running XP + 7900GS. I'm not concerned about games or watching moveis it's pretty much for photos & web surfing / pc use only.

Having read alot about constrast shifting, i have to say I'm not that bothered by it - at least not on my Dell. So I'm mainly looking at the Hazro for better colours / better image quality. My alternative is the Lacie 324 which is S-IPA but has LUT calibration if i pay for the software bundle. So, my questions are:

- Does the Hazro satisfy your needs for photo editing? Is the lower contrast level an issue? I do a lot of B&W editing.

- Ignoring contrast shift issues, do you think the Lacie is likely to be superior monitor over the Hazro? e.g. better calibratibility/quality control/uniformity etc?

- will my Huey Pro be sufficient or do i need to upgrade to a X-rite Display 2? and where do i get the software to calibrate the internal LUT? Hazro is not making theirs available, can I use others?

Hazro is about ?460 vs Lacie ?780 (incl hood & software). I don't mind the price delta if the Lacie is a superior quality screen for photos (contrast shift aside).

The only other consideration is the Lacie is wide gamut but they way I understand it I should be ok as new versions of Photoshop/Lightroom/Office/Firefox etc will be colour 'aware' and therefore will render my colours correctly? Of course Xp itself is not and my other less critical apps are not. I assume with the right browser, i'll render web content correctly? Am I right here?

thanks in advance,

I don't think the extra colour gamut on the Lacie will give you the extra moneys worth of benefit over the Hazro really, in my working I've never had a colour issue on both the Dell 2007WFP and now this Hazro and I've done prints using online labs such as Photobox etc up to A2/A1 size without any issues with colour.

I do notice that blacks are deeper than on the Dell 2007WFP (both IPS) but still capable of retaining details in shadow areas (eg: on this test http://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/black.php I can just about see from block 2 onwards after calibration).

Colours are richer on the Hazro too but it is a larger resolution and 4" larger screen size so one would expect so especially from an IPS of this size.

Hazro are releasing the Hazro calibration suite with the monitors down the line which should have LUT calibration IIRC but it's currently being tested by them in BETA form. I used the Eye-One Match software with my display2 colorometer and had no real issues, the before/after results were excellent but it's worth noting that the "before" image looked good to start with and the "after" looks even better.

I do a monitor validation after every test and I always get a dE value of under 1, the last being 0.93 and if you're calibration experienced then you'll know anything below 1 is superior colour fidelity within the standard colour range.

Your Huey Pro should be perfectly fine I'd say!

Also I too use sRGB, it's the only way to make sure my images are seen by viewers online as they should be until Firefox 3 is out in the open fully and IE7 has colour profile awareness this won't change one bit for me!

[boy_lah]

I don't think the extra colour gamut on the Lacie will give you the extra moneys worth of benefit over the Hazro really, in my working I've never had a colour issue on both the Dell 2007WFP and now this Hazro and I've done prints using online labs such as Photobox etc up to A2/A1 size without any issues with colour.

I do notice that blacks are deeper than on the Dell 2007WFP (both IPS) but still capable of retaining details in shadow areas (eg: on this test http://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/black.php I can just about see from block 2 onwards after calibration).

Colours are richer on the Hazro too but it is a larger resolution and 4" larger screen size so one would expect so especially from an IPS of this size.

Hazro are releasing the Hazro calibration suite with the monitors down the line which should have LUT calibration IIRC but it's currently being tested by them in BETA form. I used the Eye-One Match software with my display2 colorometer and had no real issues, the before/after results were excellent but it's worth noting that the "before" image looked good to start with and the "after" looks even better.

I do a monitor validation after every test and I always get a dE value of under 1, the last being 0.93 and if you're calibration experienced then you'll know anything below 1 is superior colour fidelity within the standard colour range.

Your Huey Pro should be perfectly fine I'd say!

Also I too use sRGB, it's the only way to make sure my images are seen by viewers online as they should be until Firefox 3 is out in the open fully and IE7 has colour profile awareness this won't change one bit for me!

re: wide gamut - that's just me 'future proofing' myself. i realise i don't need it 'now'. And like yourself, i'm always in sRGB and i too use photobox so glad to hear your experience in this regards.

re: lagon test....wow! I can only see from block 7 onwards! Ok - i think this has convinced me!

Finally, glad to hear my Huey Pro will probably do the job for now until Hazro releases the calibration suite - it'll be on my potential upgrade list then.

[Robbie Khan Reviews]

No probs, in the meantime here's a pic to keep you occupied!

mmmm brushed alu ;)

[Robbie Khan Reviews]

Look what I just found in the Eye-One match software! LUT calibration!

[SirEvan]

It's my passion but not my living. For my purposes, my photos are primarily viewed on the web and printed on high street labs which deal in sRGB. So although I know aRGB is wider gamut, for my personal purposes, sRGB is what I deal in.

hi, appreciate the help but in europe/uk - NEC 2490 / DoubleSight / Plannar not sold. Only affordable IPS option is Hazro. Apple of course but not cheap.

Ahh ok I thought you were more print...yeah sRGB is good for web then...since not many people have calibrated displays, they would complain of the washed out look of the AdobeRGB color space.

No probs, in the meantime here's a pic to keep you occupied!

mmmm brushed alu ;)

so so sorry for going off topic, but what is that calendar widget you have in the bottom right?

[Robbie Khan Reviews]

It's Rainlendar mate :)

[boy_lah]

Look what I just found in the Eye-One match software! LUT calibration!

That makes sense, I was advised by ColorConfidence (retail store specialising in color related sales) that if i get a LCD that has internal LUT and has the software to go with it, then I'll need a colorimter that can make those adjustments and the Eye-One Display 2 (not the LT model) is the best value for money. Huey Pro DOES NOT allow hardware LUT adjustments.

So....when will Hazro release that software!? :p

[B0GiE]

So what is it like for games? Have you tried TF2 or COD4? Is the image free form input lag, ghosting, tearing, blurring? Please let us know?

[Robbie Khan Reviews]

I play TF2 and Assassins Creed aye and from today xbox 360 via component in!

No problems :)