Mac OS X Snow Leopard Discussion

[sn00pie]

Can I run 64-bit on my polycarbonate Macbook?

I'm too lazy to do a clean install at the moment, so I'll just upgrade it lol

[Phantom Helix]

Here is an apt question; what Adobe flash version did you get when you installed SL GM store final?

I have a bad feeling that they didn't upgrade the version from the .23 to .32.18 for the final. I hope I'm wrong.

what difference does it make? it can be upgraded can it not?, yes it can i just did it

Can I run 64-bit on my polycarbonate Macbook?

I'm too lazy to do a clean install at the moment, so I'll just upgrade it lol

depends on if you means apps or kernel mode

on my plastic MB 4,1 it won't go 64-bit kernel, but it does run apps in 64-bit

[Miuku.]

what difference does it make? it can be upgraded can it not?, yes it can i just did it

So in short it rolls out the old un-patched and (possibly) vulnerable Flash version on install? Yikes.

Yes you can update is but Apple doesn't do it via Software Update so rolling up the Flash version to the fixed one is up to the client - that's not good. As far as I know, the OS X version of Flash has no self-update ability nor warning that you're running an outdated version.

[Eagle101]

Guys,

I bought my Snow Leopard Upgrade CD yesterday, and upgraded from Leopard to Snow Leopard just fine. However, now I really want to do a clean install (erase and install Snow Leopard). Is that possible or do I need to buy another CD? If yes, How?

Thanks

[NeoXY]

Guys,

I bought my Snow Leopard Upgrade CD yesterday, and upgraded from Leopard to Snow Leopard just fine. However, now I really want to do a clean install (erase and install Snow Leopard). Is that possible or do I need to buy another CD? If yes, How?

Thanks

When you put the CD in, go into the disk utility and you will see an option to erase and install.

[AltecXP]

Boot off the SL DVD, use the disk utility to erase the drive, then install SL. its that easy.

[Phantom Helix]

Guys,

I bought my Snow Leopard Upgrade CD yesterday, and upgraded from Leopard to Snow Leopard just fine. However, now I really want to do a clean install (erase and install Snow Leopard). Is that possible or do I need to buy another CD? If yes, How?

Thanks

FOR GOD SAKES MAKE A BACKUP if you have not yet done so

[the evn show]

Here is an apt question; what Adobe flash version did you get when you installed SL GM store final?

I have a bad feeling that they didn't upgrade the version from the .23 to .32.18 for the final. I hope I'm wrong.

You have version 10,0,23,1 installed

[Miuku.]

Thanks evn, what I was 'afraid of', so to speak.

[NeoXY]

K question everyone.

You know how SL promises "mutitouch support" for "older" Macs?

Now, my roomate with his last generation MBP just got 3 and 4 finger gestures from SL (OMG). However, the man have the very very VERY last revision of the old MBPs before they switched to the new look. His track pad ALREADY CAME with zoom and pinch functions.

My MBP is one revision behind him, I don't have zoom and pinch, so our trackpad COULD be different. Can someone confirm or deny that they have or don't have new gestures?

Thanks

[the evn show]

I'm currently collecting info on 32-bit v 64-bit performance, install size, upgrade vs. clean install after a discussion with a couple of forum members I consider knowledgeable.

If you've got a couple of hours to help collect some data and if you have or are willing to buy geekbench ($19) please send a PM.

Some things we'd like to gain definitive data on:

• What is the difference, if any between a clean install and an upgrade from 10.5:
  
  • Differences in installed OS foot print
    
  • Extra files, missing files, etc.
    
  • Variations between files.
    
  • Differences between upgrading some systems (ie: macbook air) and others (macbook pro).
    

  [*] What is the real space savings from using various "slimming" tools on 10.6. Does it make a difference if you upgrade or clean install?

  [*] What is the performance difference between various 32-bit and 64-bit synthetic benchmarks (geekbench, xbench, etc) on a 32-bit kernel?

  [*] What is the performance difference between various 64-bit benchmarks on 64-bit vs 32-bit kernel?

  [*] How do application-specific benchmarks (sunspider in safari, psbench and photoshop, gcc compile, etc) perform under 32-bit and 64-bit kernels?

  [*] Are there noteworthy differences in application launch / shutdown time using 32-bit and 64-bit kernels?

  [*] Are there noteworthy differences in memory use between 64-bit and 32-bit kernels running the same applications

  [*] Will running 32-bit binaries on a 64-bit capable system save memory

  [*] What are the performance differences in applications running on Mac OS X 10.5 vs Mac OS X 10.6 (ie: photoshop, logic, gcc, safari, firefox, itunes, etc).

I expect it'll take a few days to collect all the information and make useful charts, but if you'd like to help out, please send a PM.

I'll need a few hours before I can start in ernest: I've got to go visit family & friends - backup & install for them.

I've done my best to find authoritative information and tests but it's all either unsupported and anecdotal ("I always clean install: it's better") or inconclusive (some benchmarks show 64-bit kernels slower, some faster, and some no-different. Sadly, they're all different versions of 10.6 and different hardware).

If the evidence supports it, I'd really like to say "if you upgrade form 10.5 to 10.6 you won't see any difference, but if you force 64-bit kernel mode you'll see a 20% performance improvement - and here's the proof!"

[NeoXY]

K question everyone.

You know how SL promises "mutitouch support" for "older" Macs?

Now, my roomate with his last generation MBP just got 3 and 4 finger gestures from SL (OMG). However, the man have the very very VERY last revision of the old MBPs before they switched to the new look. His track pad ALREADY CAME with zoom and pinch functions.

My MBP is one revision behind him, I don't have zoom and pinch, so our trackpad COULD be different. Can someone confirm or deny that they have or don't have new gestures?

Thanks

Just so everyone know, I did a little more diging around the internet, it looks like first generation MacBook Air + LAST revision of the old MBPs are the only ones with multi-touch trackpad. So. If your trackpad can't pinch or rotate, you will not be getting any 3 or 4 finger action (boy that sounded naughty :p). However, if you COULD pinch or zoom before but had no 3 or 4 finger gestures, SL will add those for you folks.

Cheers.

(I am for one disappointed btw)

((Yes I just quoted my self...shut up))

Edited August 29, 2009 by NeoXY

[careless_monkey]

So my SL just crashed and restarted itself! :(

I had upgraded it before. I guess tis time for a clean install of the new OS.

If anyone can make something out of this console log. Here you go.

09-08-29 4:00:02 PM Finder[183] HIToolbox: received notification of WindowServer event port death.

09-08-29 4:00:02 PM Finder[183] port matched the WindowServer port created in BindCGSToRunLoop

09-08-29 4:00:02 PM Mail[212] HIToolbox: received notification of WindowServer event port death.

09-08-29 4:00:02 PM Mail[212] port matched the WindowServer port created in BindCGSToRunLoop

09-08-29 4:00:02 PM Safari[76260] HIToolbox: received notification of WindowServer event port death.

09-08-29 4:00:02 PM Safari[76260] port matched the WindowServer port created in BindCGSToRunLoop

09-08-29 4:00:02 PM Skype[74536] HIToolbox: received notification of WindowServer event port death.

09-08-29 4:00:02 PM Skype[74536] port matched the WindowServer port created in BindCGSToRunLoop

09-08-29 4:00:02 PM DashboardClient[588] HIToolbox: received notification of WindowServer event port death.

09-08-29 4:00:02 PM DashboardClient[588] port matched the WindowServer port created in BindCGSToRunLoop

09-08-29 4:00:02 PM Adium[9011] HIToolbox: received notification of WindowServer event port death.

09-08-29 4:00:02 PM Adium[9011] port matched the WindowServer port created in BindCGSToRunLoop

09-08-29 4:00:02 PM GrowlHelperApp[214] HIToolbox: received notification of WindowServer event port death.

09-08-29 4:00:02 PM GrowlHelperApp[214] port matched the WindowServer port created in BindCGSToRunLoop

09-08-29 4:00:03 PM SystemUIServer[182] HIToolbox: received notification of WindowServer event port death.

09-08-29 4:00:03 PM SystemUIServer[182] port matched the WindowServer port created in BindCGSToRunLoop

09-08-29 4:00:03 PM iTunes[4780] HIToolbox: received notification of WindowServer event port death.

09-08-29 4:00:03 PM DashboardClient[587] HIToolbox: received notification of WindowServer event port death.

09-08-29 4:00:03 PM DashboardClient[587] port matched the WindowServer port created in BindCGSToRunLoop

09-08-29 4:00:03 PM Transmission[9606] HIToolbox: received notification of WindowServer event port death.

09-08-29 4:00:03 PM ByteController[219] HIToolbox: received notification of WindowServer event port death.

09-08-29 4:00:03 PM DashboardClient[589] HIToolbox: received notification of WindowServer event port death.

09-08-29 4:00:03 PM MojoHelper[218] HIToolbox: received notification of WindowServer event port death.

09-08-29 4:00:03 PM GrowlHelperApp[214] *** attempt to pop an unknown autorelease pool (0x80b200)

09-08-29 4:00:03 PM DashboardClient[590] HIToolbox: received notification of WindowServer event port death.

09-08-29 4:00:03 PM MojoHelper[218] port matched the WindowServer port created in BindCGSToRunLoop

09-08-29 4:00:04 PM AwakenHelper[220] HIToolbox: received notification of WindowServer event port death.

09-08-29 4:00:04 PM AwakenHelper[220] port matched the WindowServer port created in BindCGSToRunLoop

09-08-29 4:00:05 PM QuickTime Player[34282] HIToolbox: received notification of WindowServer event port death.

09-08-29 4:02:52 PM com.apple.launchd[1] *** launchd[1] has started up. ***

09-08-29 4:03:21 PM com.apple.launchd[1] (at.obdev.littlesnitchd[65]) Exited with exit code: 1

09-08-29 4:03:21 PM com.apple.launchd[1] (at.obdev.littlesnitchd) Throttling respawn: Will start in 7 seconds

09-08-29 4:03:21 PM com.vmware.launchd.vmware[60] VMware Fusion 173382: Starting VMware Fusion:

09-08-29 4:03:22 PM com.apple.launchd[1] (at.obdev.littlesnitchd) Throttling respawn: Will start in 6 seconds

09-08-29 4:03:24 PM com.vmware.launchd.vmware[60] Internet Software Consortium DHCP Server 2.0

09-08-29 4:03:24 PM com.vmware.launchd.vmware[60] Copyright 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999 The Internet Software Consortium.

09-08-29 4:03:24 PM com.vmware.launchd.vmware[60] All rights reserved.

09-08-29 4:03:24 PM com.vmware.launchd.vmware[60] Please contribute if you find this software useful.

Edited August 29, 2009 by thextinct

[Quillz]

When you put the CD in, go into the disk utility and you will see an option to erase and install.

Actually, Snow Leopard no longer has an actual option for "Erase and Install." You now have to manually select your partition in Disk Utility and erase it. Yes, it accomplishes exactly the same thing, but it's an extra step, and seems like a step backwards from the Leopard installer.

[1759]

My initial impressions:

I updated my Mini (C2D 1.83 Ghz, 2 GB RAM, GMA 950) yesterday, and the improvements are very slight, and it doesn't feel that different than 10.5.8. Biggest positive, is that it saved several GB of HD space.

SL did break Airport, but I fixed that by creating a new network location.

I think with SL, I would really need a new Mac to see all the benefits, but I'd rather build a new PC or buy a new dSLR for what it would probably cost.

[Miuku.]

I suggest you do a complete wipe - I was having some random nigglies with my updated Mac Pro so I did a clean install and enjoy a much snappier system.

incidentally it seems the Phoronix guys think of the SL as a "must" upgrade since it brings considerable improvements here and there (with some regression in a few places);

We are not Mac junkies at Phoronix. Ummm, hell, we are just performance-enthused Linux fanatics with a love for benchmarking. However, the fact of the matter is, if you are a Mac OS X user and are at all concerned about the performance of your system -- whether that means being a benchmarking junkie like us or just looking to squeeze the most potential out of your system whether it be for audio encoding, ray-tracing, image editing, or other computational tasks -- Mac OS X 10.6 "Snow Leopard" is a must buy.

The performance improvements we encountered in Mac OS X 10.6 through our benchmarks we were quite astonishing. Thanks to the introduction of the Grand Central Dispatch, 64-bit migration, OpenCL support (to largely benefit future applications), and other refinements made "under the hood" of Snow Leopard, this is one hell of a fast operating system. We were quite amazed with multiple tests exhibiting nearly 50% performance boosts over Mac OS X 10.5.8. While that was an extreme improvement, many other tests ran 10~16% faster. In a few tests, the performance was the same or the delta was statistically insignificant, but in a couple tests, there were regressions. In particular, what hurts on Snow Leopard is the graphics performance, but again that should be fixed quite soon. It is surprising that Apple engineers let these OpenGL regressions slip into the GM spin, but that is just what happened. Outside of the graphics shortcomings, Mac OS X 10.6 had regressed when it came to the Stream memory performance and Sudokut. There were also a few test profiles where the tested program was not compatible with Snow Leopard.

[source: Phoronix]

[sanctified Veteran]

Just did a clean install. It's blazing fast!

[sanctified Veteran]

WHY THE F*** DO I NEED TO INSTALL ROSETA TO INSTALL OFFICE 2008??? :angry:

[Miuku.]

Office still uses some old functionality via Rosetta most likely ;D

[Phantom Helix]

Ok I finally took the plunge (Sorta) and upgraded my 10.5.8 to SL

I made a Carbon Copy Cloner bootable backup and upgraded that on an external drive.

The custom options i chose in the OS X installer were to remove languages and extra fonts, i allowed it to install printer drivers for devices used by my Mac (a lexmark x75 AIO)

I installed Rosetta, Quicktime 7 (it actually copied my PRO key of QT correctly sweet!) and X11

The only difference from when i Installed 10.5 is that i was able to not install languages and fonts and ALL printer drivers (I wonder if all languages/fonts and drivers still exists from my previous instal?)

Installer Said it needed to use an additional 3.89gb more than what was used currently. but when comparing the before and after drive size in SL it was 3.47gb

Im not sure why it didn't save me any space, unless Apples claim is only for the Fresh install footprint

And for anyone interested LCC 3.0 does work

Edited August 30, 2009 by Phantom Helix

[Fid]

I have another quick question before I finally install... if I don't choose to install all the printer drivers, and then plug in a new printer I've never used before... what will happen?

Will I just be able to insert the SL DVD and install the driver?

Cheers :D

[Phantom Helix]

I have another quick question before I finally install... if I don't choose to install all the printer drivers, and then plug in a new printer I've never used before... what will happen?

Will I just be able to insert the SL DVD and install the driver?

Cheers :D

If you choose to install ALL (nearly 1gb) printer drivers during the OS X installer they will already be installed lol no need to insert the DVD

if your printer brand/model was included in those drivers during OS X install it will "just work", if not then you will have to wait for the printer manufacturer to write new ones.

however my printer a lexmark x75 had to use rosetta to run the latest available drivers for Mac before SL, so im not sure if apple made the new driver or Lexmark did so you may want to install rosetta just in case, its only a few mb anyway

Edited August 30, 2009 by Phantom Helix

[.Neo]

WHY THE F*** DO I NEED TO INSTALL ROSETA TO INSTALL OFFICE 2008??? :angry:

I love the fact Microsoft openly declared that Microsoft Office 2008 is fully ready for Snow Leopard, yet they failed to mention this little detail.

No idea why the installer is still PPC-only.

[Phantom Helix]

I'm currently collecting info on 32-bit v 64-bit performance, install size, upgrade vs. clean install after a discussion with a couple of forum members I consider knowledgeable.

If you've got a couple of hours to help collect some data and if you have or are willing to buy geekbench ($19) please send a PM.

Some things we'd like to gain definitive data on:

• What is the difference, if any between a clean install and an upgrade from 10.5:
  
  • Differences in installed OS foot print
    
  • Extra files, missing files, etc.
    
  • Variations between files.
    
  • Differences between upgrading some systems (ie: macbook air) and others (macbook pro).
    

  [*] What is the real space savings from using various "slimming" tools on 10.6. Does it make a difference if you upgrade or clean install?

  [*] What is the performance difference between various 32-bit and 64-bit synthetic benchmarks (geekbench, xbench, etc) on a 32-bit kernel?

  [*] What is the performance difference between various 64-bit benchmarks on 64-bit vs 32-bit kernel?

  [*] How do application-specific benchmarks (sunspider in safari, psbench and photoshop, gcc compile, etc) perform under 32-bit and 64-bit kernels?

  [*] Are there noteworthy differences in application launch / shutdown time using 32-bit and 64-bit kernels?

  [*] Are there noteworthy differences in memory use between 64-bit and 32-bit kernels running the same applications

  [*] Will running 32-bit binaries on a 64-bit capable system save memory

  [*] What are the performance differences in applications running on Mac OS X 10.5 vs Mac OS X 10.6 (ie: photoshop, logic, gcc, safari, firefox, itunes, etc).

I expect it'll take a few days to collect all the information and make useful charts, but if you'd like to help out, please send a PM.

I'll need a few hours before I can start in ernest: I've got to go visit family & friends - backup & install for them.

I've done my best to find authoritative information and tests but it's all either unsupported and anecdotal ("I always clean install: it's better") or inconclusive (some benchmarks show 64-bit kernels slower, some faster, and some no-different. Sadly, they're all different versions of 10.6 and different hardware).

If the evidence supports it, I'd really like to say "if you upgrade form 10.5 to 10.6 you won't see any difference, but if you force 64-bit kernel mode you'll see a 20% performance improvement - and here's the proof!"

$5 coupon code for geekbench till the end of august is PRIMATELABSBLOG

http://www.primatelabs.ca/blog/2007/07/

[Fid]

If you choose to install ALL (nearly 1gb) printer drivers during the OS X installer they will already be installed lol no need to insert the DVD

if your printer brand/model was included in those drivers during OS X install it will "just work", if not then you will have to wait for the printer manufacturer to write new ones.

however my printer a lexmark x75 had to use rosetta to run the latest available drivers for Mac before SL, so im not sure if apple made the new driver or Lexmark did so you may want to install rosetta just in case, its only a few mb anyway

Right, well I was thinking about not bothering to install the printer drivers to save the space (particularly when I only use a printer now and again, and that's just one). My problem being my printer is elsewhere at the moment and hasn't been connected to the system before, so I can't choose the option to just update printers that have already been connected to my system.

So... if I don't install the printers, then want to use the printer another time... I just put in the printer and then it would ask me for the DVD... or?

Or shall I just bloody install those drivers haha.