Apple may have shipped 2.5 million Macs in spring thanks to Vista

[sundayx Veteran]

I'm not really bothered to read your arguments, but I think the contributing factor is, Apple in general is receiving a much better credibility and rating, from Tiger, iPods to MacBooks and now Leopard, and on the other hand Microsoft is getting a lot of criticisms, Vista in general, and triggering down to service packs and Zune, MSN/Live, and when Apple marketing is able to take on this advantage and grab market share, it's easy to see how the title of this thread came out to be.

[Cara Veteran]

Wow, just wow. The things that Apple fanatics do to prove that Mac is better :laugh: You make me laugh so hard.

It's the same hardware, and don't tell me Mac hardware is superior in every way.

I'm going to let this one rest since we are a bit off topic, ok, way off topic... If you ever want to continue this just let me know in private, I can keep drawing data for days. ;)

[tsupersonic]

Actually that kind of crap is what ****ed me off about the PC world. Why should I have to go through the hassle of looking for coupons when I want to buy stuff. There should be one price that everyone pays. That's also why Apple is succeeding right now because they offer simple choices for consumer whether it be the 1 version of OS X instead of the 10 versions of Vista, the different models that each appeal to a different market segment instead of having 10 different towers, and the standard non confusing prices.

Then go pay retail at a store like Bestbuy? Why don't you like coupons? You get a better price. :wacko:

I will agree that there are too many versions of Vista, but that's a totally different argument. Surely Vista can't be that bad since it might have increased Apple's sales as mentioned in the article...

I'm going to let this one rest since we are a bit off topic, ok, way off topic... If you ever want to continue this just let me know in private, I can keep drawing data for days. ;)

I can always get a kick out of Apple fanatics. :laugh: My college is filled with Apple fanboys/girls. So, I find all their arguments silly.

[Cara Veteran]

I can always get a kick out of Apple fanatics. :laugh: My college is filled with Apple fanboys/girls. So, I find all their arguments silly.

I find anti-Apple individuals to be simply Apple Supports who haven't been properly educated yet...

No, I'm not serious, that would be creepy.

But honestly, I don't mind discussing Apple since I know with all of my being that Apple produces (in most cases) a superior product so I don't mind going over those reasons with others. I actually managed to explain Apple's appeal to a Dell rep in a way that she agreed with me, now that is something to put on a resume. ;)

[tsupersonic]

I find anti-Apple individuals to be simply Apple Supports who haven't been properly educated yet...

No, I'm not serious, that would be creepy.

But honestly, I don't mind discussing Apple since I know with all of my being that Apple produces (in most cases) a superior product so I don't mind going over those reasons with others. I actually managed to explain Apple's appeal to a Dell rep in a way that she agreed with me, now that is something to put on a resume. ;)

What a statement. "Superior products" That is not a fact, but rather an opinion ;)

I don't see why you'd put that on a resume. Maybe the Dell rep doesn't care about computers, I don't know.

[markwolfe Veteran]

Dell Inspiron 530s

MEMORY 2GB Dual Channel DDR2 SDRAM at 667MHz- 2DIMMs

iMac 20"

2GB 800MHz DDR2 SDRAM - 2x1GB

Why do you class Inspiron as "low level" - they're the same spec, just a lot cheaper.

Well, for one, the RAM speed sticks out as being lower on the Dell. ;)

[James123]

Well, for one, the RAM speed sticks out as being lower on the Dell.

That makes very little difference to pretty much everyone, the processor upgrade in the Dell would make more difference. Plus you can upgrade to 800MHz RAM in the Dell for $20 extra.

I'm not even sure how Cara managed to get the $1350 price quoted, even with the most expensive Optiplex speced to similar (but higher) than the iMac I could only get it to come to $1200 delivered excluding the many coupons around (~$1060 delivered with 20% off coupon).

[tsupersonic]

Well, for one, the RAM speed sticks out as being lower on the Dell. ;)

If you're that picky, you can grab 2GB for around $40-45

[markwolfe Veteran]

If you're that picky, you can grab 2GB for around $40-45

I think that when you talk about comparing, you need to look at all the specs, and you know... actually match them. :p

The CPU on the Dell isn't a match, but this is in Dell's favor. It is a faster CPU than the quoted Mac.

In summary. The comparison needs work to be valid.

[tsupersonic]

Well, it's really hard to do a comparison. If I or someone else tries to use the Inspiron line, you have Apple fanatics yelling at us for using the Inspiron line and claiming it isn't using the SUPERIOR Mac hardware components.

Perhaps someone needs to add a custom build to the lineup to prove PC's are cheaper?

[Cara Veteran]

That makes very little difference to pretty much everyone, the processor upgrade in the Dell would make more difference. Plus you can upgrade to 800MHz RAM in the Dell for $20 extra.

I'm not even sure how Cara managed to get the $1350 price quoted, even with the most expensive Optiplex speced to similar (but higher) than the iMac I could only get it to come to $1200 delivered excluding the many coupons around (~$1060 delivered with 20% off coupon).

I went to Dell's site (www.dell.com) clicked on Small Business, Optiplex Line, 755, the Right Side Core2Duo 755, matching configurations (minus bluetooth which wasn't an option on the Dell) to the iMac.

BTW, I think you guys are failing to understand that my own comparison showed the Dell cheaper, not arguing that at all. Just my statement was that to some people the iMac is worth the extra few hundred dollars at that point. :)

[hotdog666al]

I thought Mac users were supposed to have taste!

... just kidding :D

[tsupersonic]

I went to Dell's site (www.dell.com) clicked on Small Business, Optiplex Line, 755, the Right Side Core2Duo 755, matching configurations (minus bluetooth which wasn't an option on the Dell) to the iMac.

BTW, I think you guys are failing to understand that my own comparison showed the Dell cheaper, not arguing that at all. Just my statement was that to some people the iMac is worth the extra few hundred dollars at that point. :)

:( You still don't get the point. :wacko:

[ANova]

For about $1300 I built my own machine with the following specs:

Intel Q6600

Abit IP35

2 GB DDR2 800 LL

8800 GTS 640MB

400 GB HD

Seasonic 600 watt psu

Lian Li PCV600B

Dell 20" 2007WFP

That was nearly a year ago. I think it looks just as good as anything to come out of Apple and oh yeah, it runs Leopard quite well too with the added benefit of being easily upgraded and serviced. XP is my OS of choice though.

[Cara Veteran]

:( You still don't get the point. :wacko:

I could very easily say the same thing. :whistle:

[tsupersonic]

I could very easily say the same thing. :whistle:

Just out of curiosity, your avatar looks like a girl, are you a girl? If you are, you know a lot about computers :o

Not trying to hit on you or anything like that :p

[Cara Veteran]

Just out of curiosity, your avatar looks like a girl, are you a girl? If you are, you know a lot about computers :o

Not trying to hit on you or anything like that :p

I was at last check, one second...yep, still female. ;)

As for hitting on me, thats fine...I'm married. ;)

[tsupersonic]

Surprised computers interest you.

and sorry I have a girlfriend :p my gf hates computers though.

[Cara Veteran]

Surprised computers interest you.

and sorry I have a girlfriend :p my gf hates computers though.

I've been into computers since before I could walk. ;) I love the fast paced nature of technology, I don't get bored. :)

[Punio4]

Why macs will never be as popular as PCs?

One reason:

They are almost twice as expensive outside the US, and over twice as expensive in non-EU countries.

USA != entire world

[tsupersonic]

Nice. You don't hear about too many girls who are really into computers

/way off topic.

[+Audioboxer Subscriber²]

Why macs will never be as popular as PCs?

One reason:

They are almost twice as expensive outside the US, and over twice as expensive in non-EU countries.

USA != entire world

Do they have to be? No.

Will they ever be? Dunno, probably not.

Bit of good news for Apple with sales (mostly due to bad Vista press supposedly - which can be believable), and people are going bat **** crazy thinking the world is being taken over :laugh:

Apple/Mac is another choice on the market, don't blow blood vessels because other people actually choose to buy something you don't want.

[Angelic Marge]

Nice. You don't hear about too many girls who are really into computers

/way off topic.

I'm ever so slightly older than a girl and you'd have to kill me before getting anywhere near my pc or my laptop :crazy: :rofl:

[tsupersonic]

I'm ever so slightly older than a girl and you'd have to kill me before getting anywhere near my pc or my laptop :crazy: :rofl:

Is that a challenge? lol

[Mikee99]

Guys, can we just take a break for one minute and ponder this massive flaw to this article:

The author only mentions Apple. He neglects to mention any other player in the industry.

Ok, so Apple is doing well... What about Dell? What about Gateway? What about HP? What about Lenovo? What about....etc.

IF those companies have shown net decreases in growth, while Apple shows major gains, then I might agree with the analyst.

HOWEVER, if those companies also show signs of added growth, then this entire article is complete bull****! If the entire industry grew, then how the hell could Vista be helping Apple?

This is mutually exclusive: either A.) Apple does well while the rest suffer, or B.) The industry as a whole has shown great growth, which would completely disprove this article.