Lost - Season 5

[sundayx Veteran]

Sawyer: Om nom nom no-

[profets]

Watch out for low flying Toolbox's :p

LOL at those flying tool boxes

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Because Sobek fits the best.

2) I posted evidence that he catches fish with a trap, like Jacob does at the beginning of the show.

I'd just like to point out that fish he caught was an actual red herring....

[Aaron Veteran]

I'd just like to point out that fish he caught was an actual red herring....

It was red, but it doesn't look like a herring. Interesting thought, though.

[ATGC]

I'll call Jacob's beach buddy, Esau.

- Jacob brought the Black-Rock to the Island and Richard being on the Island for a long time means Richard came from the slave ship.

- Esau hid Christian's dead body, just like John Locke's dead body from 316 plane. So, he started using Christian's body from that point on...

- The loophole, as episode said, was dark (Esau) killing light (Jacob)..

- When Jacob said "they're coming", he meant Ilana's group and Richard's group. That's why John looked at the door entrance.

I'm going to re-watch season 3 and 4 to make sure I'm not missing anything else. :D

[Rappy Veteran]

I'll call Jacob's beach buddy, Esau.

- Jacob brought the Black-Rock to the Island and Richard being on the Island for a long time means Richard came from the slave ship.

- Esau hid Christian's dead body, just like John Locke's dead body from 316 plane. So, he started using Christian's body from that point on...

- The loophole, as episode said, was dark (Esau) killing light (Jacob)..

- When Jacob said "they're coming", he meant Ilana's group and Richard's group. That's why John looked at the door entrance.

I'm going to re-watch season 3 and 4 to make sure I'm not missing anything else. :D

It's funny that I just heard and read something about Esau :)

I'm not sure he meant Richards group for the They're coming...I think he meant the Oceanic 6.

[ATGC]

It's funny that I just heard and read something about Esau :)

I'm not sure he meant Richards group for the They're coming...I think he meant the Oceanic 6.

Of course he meant Richard's and Ilana's group. Esau didn't see the 316er bringing John Locke's dead body... now that Richard and the Natives know John Locke is dead. They want revenge for the lies by Esau.

Esau is a more danger to the Natives than the time traveling 815ers + Miles.

Edited May 14, 2009 by Akuma

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I'm not sure he meant Richards group for the They're coming...I think he meant the Oceanic 6.

It could mean Widmore as well, he was in charge for a while and the fact that he was exiled by Ben, who seems to have never been Jacob's favorite, might mean he's on the side of light after all.

[Aaron Veteran]

From this exchange, why are we assuming that Jacob is the good guy and Esau is the bad guy? In the Bible, Jacob pretty much cons Esau out of his birthright.

Esau: Morning.

Jacob: Morning.

Esau: Mind if I join you?

Jacob: Please. Want some fish?

Esau: Thank you. I just ate.

Jacob: I take it you?re here because of the ship.

Esau: I am. (beat) How did they find the island?

Jacob: You?ll have to ask them when they get here.

Esau: I don?t have to ask. You brought them here. You?re trying to prove me wrong, aren?t you?

Jacob: You are wrong.

Esau: Am I? They come, they fight, they destroy, they corrupt. Always ends the same.

Jacob: It only ends once. Anything that happens before that?is just progress.

Esau: You have any idea how badly I wanna kill you?

Jacob: Yes.

Esau: One of these days, sooner or later?I?m gonna find a loophole, my friend.

Jacob: Well when you do, I?ll be right here.

Esau: Well, it was nice talking to you, Jacob.

Jacob: Nice talking to you, too.

[Nagisan]

I think that's really the long and short of it. That statue lends to both depictions, but more to Sobek (IMHO). I think some creative interpretation may have taken place by the folks over at Lost, so this may simply not be possible to answer. It could be a lore completely made up for all we know.

Agreed.....it can really be either, some of us see the statue in a different way than others. I still think it looks more like Taweret than Sobek.

http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/File:Tawretqweqwe.jpg

There's gotta be something wrong with people who look at the statue and that tapestry and don't see a crocodile.

Look at my image above, notice the similarities between the tapestry and the statue of Taweret? Same style hair, same style mouth, same style hat. Looks pretty much the same in terms of the head, maybe its a combination of both?

Because Sobek fits the best.

1) He's a fertility god.

2) I posted evidence that he catches fish with a trap, like Jacob does at the beginning of the show.

3) BECAUSE IT'S OBVIOUS IN BOTH IMAGES FROM THE SHOW THAT IT'S A CROCODILE.

Check out the link I posted above.

1) Sobek is a fertility god of LAND/CROPS.....how exactly does that fit into Lost? (Gradually, Sobek also came to symbolize the produce of the Nile and the fertility that it brought to the land; its status thus became more ambiguous.)

Taweret being a fertility goddess of pregnancy and child birth fits pretty much the entire reason Juliet was brought to the island.

2) Not every little thing means something

3) Crocodiles snouts are a lot more slender than we see in both the tapestry and the statue itself (http://www.neveryetmelted.com/wp-images/Crocodile.jpg) Look at the picture I posted above, the mouth looks a LOT more similar to Tawerets, not Sobek.

Also: http://www.scifiscoop.com/news/michael-eme...ur-toed-statue/

Michael Emerson (aka Benjamin Linus) has reinforced what many Lost addicts have speculated for a long time - that the statue is that of the three fingered, pregnant hippopotamus headed Egyptian Goddess Taweret.

“She’s Taweret, the goddess of childbirth,” Emerson says. “That dovetails in pretty well with our themes, wouldn’t you say?”

We have more evidence that the statue is Taweret than we do that its Sobek......therefore I still say its Taweret.

[ATGC]

I'm basing it on the clothes they wear from that exchange you posted. Jacob wore a light shirt, Esau wore a dark shirt. Esau is constantly associated with death on the Island...

[pmac1328]

Certainly not all images will be identical but some themes are pretty consistent:

Sobek typically has a tall ornate headdress, our statue and the tapestry does not.

Taweret has a short blocky headdress, like our statue and tapestry.

Sobek is almost always carrying a staff, our statue and tapestry does not.

They both have long snouts, usually with sharp teeth.

A hippo, that Taweret is based around has four toes.

Taweret is usually fat though, and our statue is not - but the tapestry is kinda stout.

I'm leaning toward it not being Sobek.

1) I just found lots of images with sobek having a similar headdress. *shrugs* Simple google search can do just the same.

2) Well if we're going to play the "sometimes this happens" game, i see lots of pictures with Taweret having a much longer headdress than what the island statue has. Therefore, you must be wrong.

3) Taweret is typically seen carrying a Sa symbol. I dont see the island statue carrying that.

4) true

5) Taweret also does not, nor have i ever seen him depicted as having, a human lower body like the island statue has. He's an upright walking animal. By the way, how many toes does Sobek have?

6) Stretching...

lets add another, shall we?

7) Clothing anyone? I'd love to see a picture of Taweret with clothes, because i sure cant find any. Taweret, as far as i can see and have read, is always naked. Island statue seems to have lots of articles of clothing.

Regardless, your speculation is as good as mine. We can argue till the cows come home, but neither of us can actually say for sure. Fact that a cast member said it's Taweret makes me think you're right, as he should have some kind of insight on the issue, but at first glance, without that knowledge, i would gladly argue my points.

Edited May 14, 2009 by pmac1328

[Soldiers33]

looks like lost ending is gonna suck. I cnt see how they will explain the statue, time travel, island moving and all other wierd stuff.

but still fun to watch

[Rappy Veteran]

[ATGC]

looks like lost ending is gonna suck. I cnt see how they will explain the statue, time travel, island moving and all other wierd stuff.

:rolleyes:

Statue is already explained.

Island moving is already explained.

Time traveling is already explained.

[Jimmy0]

Brilliant episode, what an absolute mind-fudge! :D

[Rappy Veteran]

:rolleyes:

Statue is already explained.

Island moving is already explained.

Time traveling is already explained.

I'd like to know where the statue went.

[ATGC]

I'd like to know where the statue went.

Esau: Am I? They come, they fight, they destroy, they corrupt. Always ends the same.

So, from 1845 - 1954 war happened on the Island and Richard won.

[Valerus]

So...backgammon is a battle between good and evil!?

[OfF3nSiV3]

:rolleyes:

Statue is already explained.

what you mean the statue has been explained?

did they explain what the hell is a statue doing on the island? a statue that size? who the hell built it? when was it built?

[draklin]

what you mean the statue has been explained?

did they explain what the hell is a statue doing on the island? a statue that size? who the hell built it? when was it built?

don't forget the what happened to it? and where did the rest of it go?

[Julius Caro]

Few things I'm aware now after reading some boards.

1 ) Jacob touched all of our losties (kate, swayer, sayid, locke, sun, jin, jack and hugo) Although it's not very very clear with sayid, the camera somehow really focuses on the moment where he gives the pen to swayer and the candybar to jack. But he touches them all.

2) Jacob says the "it's your choice" twice (to hugo and to ben). I guess that has to do with the loophole thing. The dead have talked to our losties before (ana lucia, etc) but can we be really sure that was jacob and not esau? Perhaps the only thing esau can't do is tell them right away to kill someone, or to jill jacob. Maybe the one that said "Help me" in the cabin was not jacob, but esau. Maybe that's when he found out that ben had never talked to jacob? Meaning that's when he thought of ben having a reason to really kill jacob by his own choice?

Edited May 14, 2009 by Julius Caro

[ATGC]

what you mean the statue has been explained?

did they explain what the hell is a statue doing on the island? a statue that size? who the hell built it? when was it built?

Due to all the Egyptian mythology theme going on the Island, isn't it obvious? The people who built all the underground passage ways, temples, etc. made the statue too. The statue was built to worship Taweret, so they can reproduce on the Island. Since that time, however, there has been fertility issues as Richard explained to Locke in Season 3, episode 9.

Jacob is trying to prove Esau wrong; that people can live peacefully on the Island. But, Esau is right... same pattern is constantly being repeated. So, Jacob constantly brings people to the Island, which is evident when he said,

Jacob: You?ll have to ask them when they get here.

Esau: I don?t have to ask. You brought them here. You?re trying to prove me wrong, aren?t you?

Jacob: You are wrong.

Esau: Am I? They come, they fight, they destroy, they corrupt. Always ends the same.

Almost like the Battlestar Galactica theme with Cylons, Humans and Centrions.

[TonyLock]

Other Questions:

1) Who is Yacob and why is he on the island?

2) Who is Esau and why is he on the island?

3) Why is Esau a smoke monster?

4) What is the Egyptian connection/obsession?

5) A Richard back story; why was he made immortal? A punishment perhaps?

6) Why did they show so many butt shots of Kate in this last ep?

Any other unanswered questions?

[Mathachew Veteran]

Almost like the Battlestar Galactica theme with Cylons, Humans and Centrions.

Except better by leaps and bounds.