Lost - Season 5

[Rappy Veteran]

I don't recall an eye at the end of the finale :s

It was in the promo that followed

[Guest]

It was in the promo that followed

Could you link me please, D?

[Rappy Veteran]

Could you link me please, D?

[kezzzs]

So were my theories totally crap then? :(

[+Peewee210 Subscriber¹]

The eye was slightly different

It's Jack's eye, you can tell by the eyelashes and the lines around his eyes

[+Audioboxer Subscriber²]

Finale was okay.

[Guest]

It's Jack's eye, you can tell by the eyelashes and the lines around his eyes

It's definitely the same eye. The skin tone and texture is almost a perfect match.

[SkyyPunk Veteran]

It's definitely the same eye. The skin tone and texture is almost a perfect match.

Looks like they definitely just altered the original eye....it would be extremely unlikely the eye lashes would group together in the *exact* same way in two different shots, let alone if it was two different people.

[SuperJediMedia]

The Sawyer/Jack FIGHT was nuts!!!

I wonder either of them was doing it because of Kate?

Evangeline Lilly has such a tight little body.

Evangelline Lilly is voted THE HOTTEST TV actress (If I remember the poll someone made here correct)!

This Finale had Everything - From guns blazing, to bare hands brawls to Explosions! Then, Mind-Blowing plot!!

It's certainly of the BEST Finales I've ever seen!!! :D :woot:

[ATGC]

http://www.lost4815162342.com/flash/countdown.swf

:(

[Popcorned1]

Where are you guys getting the name Esau? I didn't hear a mention of it during the finale.

[SuperJediMedia]

Dude wearing black kinda looks like Zod LOL :p

[PedroQ]

Esau being Smokey somehow makes sense, given the fact that Dead Alex (Smokey?) told Ben not to kill Locke.

[Guest 12eason]

but why did fakelocke need richard to guide him to jacob? if fakelocke was the same guy as the one from the intro why didn't he know jacob resides in the foot of the statue himself?

Fakelocke was looking for a way to kill Jacob, but couldn't do it directly because of the laws of timetravel as Faraday described them. He needed to use 'variables' to do it, and variables are governed by free will.

Fakelocke was acting in such a way as to get the people around him, including Richard and Ben, to act of their own free-will in killing Jacob. This is the 'loophole'.

That's why Jacob told Ben he had a choice.

Edited May 15, 2009 by 12eason

[Nicholas-c Veteran]

Quick theory on who the others are that has probs been discussed.

At the start we see a boat, Not the blackrock, Jacob and [insert name] are talking, [insert name] says "You bought them here to prove me wrong" Jacob replies with "You are wrong"

This means the boat is full of Jacobs "Experiment" to proof [insert name] wrong, This means jacob gives them orders on how to survive, via richard, a high ranking "leader" and a leader, Ellie, Widmore, Ben and locke are so far the 4 leaders we know.

k ?

As for the "Loophole"

[insert name] = Smokey, Smokey to our knowledge has been the cause of getting to this point, Mind-screwing Eko and making Locke go searching, There for to leave the island eventually and come back as a dead corpse that Smokey ([insert name]) can use in the same way it/he uses/used Christians' body. Smokey has kicked the arse of everyone who has not previously had contact with Jacob, With the exception of Locke who was dead when Jacob touched him.

[Rappy Veteran]

Where are you guys getting the name Esau? I didn't hear a mention of it during the finale.

It wasn't said.

[OfF3nSiV3]

Esau comes from the bible, someone related to jacob so people have named him that name

[Guest 12eason]

[insert name] = Smokey, Smokey to our knowledge has been the cause of getting to this point, Mind-screwing Eko and making Locke go searching, There for to leave the island eventually and come back as a dead corpse that Smokey ([insert name]) can use in the same way it/he uses/used Christians' body. Smokey has kicked the arse of everyone who has not previously had contact with Jacob, With the exception of Locke who was dead when Jacob touched him.

Yes, he has manipulated everyone on the island since the start so as to lead Ben to the point of killing Jacob out of freewill. That's the loophole.

Also, Jacob went round insuring everyone instrumental to the detonation of the bomb went back to the island. This is Jacobs defense, because the bomb will undo all of Fakelockes efforts.

[ATGC]

Where are you guys getting the name Esau? I didn't hear a mention of it during the finale.

Temporary name until we know who it is.

[Mathachew Veteran]

Fakelocke was looking for a way to kill Jacob, but couldn't do it directly because of the laws of timetravel as Faraday described them. He needed to use 'variables' to do it, and variables are governed by free will.

Fakelocke was acting in such a way as to get the people around him, including Richard and Ben, to act of their own free-will in killing Jacob. This is the 'loophole'.

That's why Jacob told Ben he had a choice.

People changing sides doesn't sound like a loophole at all. Reincarnation/reanimation, however, could be the loophole, but we're not 100% clear on what the loop hole is and how it works, but what you're describing doesn't make sense. The variables are the people in 1977, not 2007, so that really doesn't add up.

[Hupp]

if the variables are in 1977 people and the bomb does reset, then wouldn't jacob be alive again?

[Everlong241]

My theory:

The bomb is what set off The Incident and the theory of whatever happens, happened still holds. It would be too large of a paradox if the bomb changes everything, it simply wouldn't make sense and would ruin the story.

I believe the resurrected Locke is the monster, just like the monster has taken the shape of Yemi, Alex and others. That's why the monster told Ben to do whatever Locke says.

[Guest 12eason]

The variables are the people in 1977, not 2007, so that really doesn't add up.

Not from Jacob and Fakelockes perspective. They are from the future.

if the variables are in 1977 people and the bomb does reset, then wouldn't jacob be alive again?

That is his intention I think.

[jackofalltrades]

At the start we see a boat, Not the blackrock, Jacob and [insert name] are talking, [insert name] says "You bought them here to prove me wrong" Jacob replies with "You are wrong"

Why is it not the black rock? Looks like it to me.

This means the boat is full of Jacobs "Experiment" to proof [insert name] wrong, This means jacob gives them orders on how to survive, via richard, a high ranking "leader" and a leader, Ellie, Widmore, Ben and locke are so far the 4 leaders we know.

I think Richard was travelling on this Ship. Though that's a long shot.

People changing sides doesn't sound like a loophole at all. Reincarnation/reanimation, however, could be the loophole, but we're not 100% clear on what the loop hole is and how it works, but what you're describing doesn't make sense. The variables are the people in 1977, not 2007, so that really doesn't add up.

I agree with Mathachew, the loophole of it being freewill would have been exploited a lot easier/sooner by Esau, I believe it had to specifically be Ben, due to whatever happened in the temple when Ben was dying as a kid. This ties in with the fact Jacob would not let Ben see him, as he would be the only one who could kill him which would be too mush of a risk.

EDIT: Statue definitely looks more like Sobek. There's no belly?!

Edited May 15, 2009 by jackofalltrades

[Julius Caro]

What if our losties experience something similar to what happened to desmond after turning the failsafe? Maybe their consciences will go back (or foward, since they're in 77) in time?