I can't take it anymore! Router problems.

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If the said problem is related to you over taxing the router with p2p traffic -- then sure its quite possible a router that is better suited for p2p would not have the problem.. Ie a wrt54GL running 3rd party firmware as an example.

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where did you come up with the 20KB/sec limit??? You just pull it out of your ass?

What is the connection speed you get from your ISP? You could go to http://www.speedtest.net/ when your internet is working decent, and your not doing torrents and do a test.

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So from this test my upload speed is 1352 kb/s, so lets say its 1200 to be on the safe side. This is reported in bits, so to convert to bytes divide by 8 = 1200/8 = 150KBytes/sec.

Now lets make sure we only use at max 80% of that.. so my upload limit should at MAX be 150 * .80 = 120KBytes/sec if you still having issues lower it some more.

When you fill up your upload side.. you can not query dns to find out where to go, you can not query the webserver to send you pages, etc.. so even if your not using all of your download bandwidth.. If your upload side is full -- your internet browsing will be utter crap.

Since you do not know who your using for dns, its pretty much a given your pointing to your router.. From a command prompt do a ipconfig /all

It will show you what IP your machine is using for dns.

C:\>ipconfig /all

Windows IP Configuration

Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : p4-24g

Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . : local.lan

Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Hybrid

IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No

WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No

DNS Suffix Search List. . . . . . : local.lan

Ethernet adapter Gig:

Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :

Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Realtek RTL8169/8110 Family Gigabit Ethernet NIC

Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-09-5B-E0-FB-AD

Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No

IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.100

Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0

Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.253

DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.4

If that is the same IP address as your Default gateway -- then your bouncing your dns off your router, who then asks another server.. Be it your ISP dns by default, or could of changed it. But that sounds like a big no.

Change your machine to use opendns, or your isp directly (should be able to see where your router is pointing in a status page on it) Or use 4.2.2.2, 4.2.2.3 or 4.2.2.4 which are dns that answer to the public and are quite fast.

The opendns site has all kinds of help on change your machines dns, or change your router to use it, or have it hand different dns to your clients, etc.

When your router is quite busy handling all the connections for p2p, its possible that dns is not on the top of its priority lists ;) And can become quite sluggish or not respond at all if the router is too busy. Most soho routers dns forwarders blow chunks anyway.. Expecting them to be responsive while your router is busy handling 1,000 of connections is quite often asking too much ;)

Why didn't you just tell him to ask his ISP what plan he has (if it is not known)? You seem helpful but arrogant at the same time.

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Sounds an awful lot like the router is hitting a memory limit, and it's either preventing new connections, or freezing and resetting.

The third-party firmwares don't have this issue to anywhere near the extent of the base ones for cheap routers, as they are able to handle massive amounts of connections through better management and efficiency. One particular variant of Tomato, SpeedMod is able to handle around 6000 connections even while doing QoS traffic shaping and still remain responsive.

Tomato is probably the easiest to use third party firmware, but DD-WRT is pretty darn good too and has compatibility with far more devices. The WRT54GL is the simplest device to load firmware onto as well - just go to the web interface and feed it the new firmware file - and any web retailer ought to have them in stock. You may find others for cheaper that DD-WRT will run on, but you'll at the very least have to use TFTP to load the image, so be sure to review the flashing procedure for any model before you buy.

The range on the WRT54GL is quite solid to begin with, and provides the option to install external antennas easily. The Buffalo WHR-HP-G54 will provide an even better signal, but it seems to be a difficult piece of hardware to find on my side of the pond.

In any case, your issue is common to almost every low end Netgear, D-Link, and Linksys router ever made (with the notable exception of the classic WRT54G v1-4). Replace it with a third-party firmware capable device, and you'll find yourself much happier. :)

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You seem helpful but arrogant at the same time.
What exactly are the point of your posts??? Other than quoting mine?

Here -- you really should read this

https://www.neowin.net/forum/index.php?auto...;showentry=1565

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@LiqHead, you seem to be the arrogant one. First you quote BudMan's post telling him that its bull****. However many other posters also believe that the router is at fault and not the ISP. You haven't provided anything useful for this discussion. BudMan does a great job helping and writing descriptive posts. He is very knowledgeable and everything that he has posted is accurate. In addition having the OP use speedtest.net was a good idea because what the isp claim you get and what you get in reality is different.

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Not sure I would call "WIP" specifically stated as "working"

WIP = Work In Progress (Located under version). Sometimes we need the hardware to do the port. So feel free to contact Brainslayer via e-mail and provide us with the hardware so we can get this started!

I would suggest he read the thread that WIP leads too.. Seems he might only have 1MB of ram.. Trying to install to a WIP router when he did not even know what tomato was is not something I would suggest ;)

But sure, he could try it -- seems it couldn't make his router any less crappy - worse case is it becomes a brick, which he could use as a door stop, which I am sure it will be a lot better at doing than routing packets ;)

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... BudMan does a great job helping and writing descriptive posts. He is very knowledgeable and everything that he has posted is accurate. In addition having the OP use speedtest.net was a good idea because what the isp claim you get and what you get in reality is different.

^^^ Agreed. BudMan may vent a little frustration at answering the same basic questions over and over. But just check through his posts and see how many times he has answered this exact question about router speed problems. He takes the time to even make screenshots for his posts, notating the images and uploading them.

Sure, if you haven't taken the time to read a manual, expect to take a lump on that particular point and be told to RTFM, but you will also be given experienced advice and accurate information.

EDIT: If Neowin were a reality TV show, and it were down to LiqHead and BudMan, I know which one I would rather see stay and contribute to Neowin. ;)

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i see your with virgin media, i have had loads of problems with them, TF2 was a major problem with them. Tried multiple routers. Their servers are really bad. I tried their tech support multiple times, i even had BT tell them to give them a call but they wouldn't.

I would recommend moving over to someone else, like O2.

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I'm going to go out today and get the Linksys router. Since Ive been using the DNS servers, its all been fine. However the problem with TF2 came back. Soon as I ran it (for the 2nd time) it couldnt connect to any server. I quit it and found I couldnt connect to the internet either. A router reset fixed it. So to hell with Netgear.

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Just a quickie. I just bought a Linksys WRT54GR V1.1. Will that work with tomato? And if so which version firmware do I use?

Also, I'm well ****ed off. I literally plugged in the router and setup the wireless about 10 minutes ago. Soon as I walked out of the room with my iPhone the signal went to 2 bars on the phone. Then died when I went into another room. And this bitch has 2 big antennas on it. What the hell?

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Grand Master

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WTF did you buy that router for??? WRT54GL is the one everyone in the thread has been telling you to get.

No tomato does not support that router, nor does dd-wrt, you can get openwrt to run on it -- if you compile it from source.

http://forum.openwrt.org/viewtopic.php?id=16563

I would suggest you return it -- and buy the GL!!

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So your router choice came down to the "one they had" :rolleyes:

I would suggest you return it and order the GL model.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Linksys-WRT54GL-UK...4886&sr=8-1

As to whats wrong with it -- did you not even bother looking for reviews on said product before you laid down your hard earned cash??

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A week of discussion, with reasons given to explain the recommendations. Over 40 posts in the thread from various members.

And you pick whatever was sitting on the shelf. :laugh:

I agree with BudMan. Return it. Get a good router (like one of the recommended units).

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Yea, actually when you put it like that, it is kinda funny. Im one of the laziest people alive. Rather than order the unit online and wait, I wanted it there and then. Because they didnt have it, to hell with it, get that one.

I'm taking it back tomorrow and Ive just ordered the WRT54GL for ?50. That should take care of the problem. But there is one more I need help with.

That was the 4th router ive used in the house, and every one has been the same for signal quality. ****. If the WRT54GL is just as bad, could that show me something in the house blocking wifi? Or are wifi routers just not that good unless you pay over the odds?

Its beyond frustrating to loose signal when I step 5 meters away from the router.

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Yea. On all 3 routers. I unplugged cordless phones thinking that was the problem. I moved the router from the living room to the spare room upstairs and still the same low signal. If your close to it, signal is perfect. But forget about taking your laptop to another room.

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I think it has to be something like that. Its most odd. However the house across the street which is identical build to ours, has a cheap Belkin router. I can pick up his signal from my bedroom. Its not the end of the world, its just annoying as I cant enjoy the true benefits of wireless which is portability.

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Well one thing the dd-wrt and I do believe tomato as well will allow you to do is up the output power. The default output is really low, normally if I recall correctly on the linksys like 28mw

You should be able to up this to 70 or 90 without really shortening the life of the unit, etc. I have a old v3.1 which has been running at 90 since I put dd-wrt on it. And even before that when running openwrt I had up the power.. So it has been running for YEARS on the higher output power.

You say you can pickup this other router from across the street.. Is his router in room with a window, does your room you can pick it up in have a window where you can see this house?

I would highly suggest you check the channel other wireless networks are on, and put your as far away as possible.. Quite a few routers default to channel 6 -- atleast here in the states.. You could grab netstumbler to show you, or once you put dd-wrt on your router you can use the site survey feature to view other wireless networks.

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As you can see the majority of other wireless networks in the area are on 6, and the other 2 are higher. Mine is set to channel 1, you want to be as far away in channels as possible to other wireless networks around you. When it comes to connectivity issues also make sure your broadcasting your UNIQUE ssid, hiding it will only make connection to your own network harder and the security suggesting about turning it off is pure FUD!

If your not unique and you have other wireless networks around with the same ssid, then yes its possible for your client to get confused and try to change to a stronger signal, etc.

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