Bear Grylls Injured After Antarctic Fall

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Ok, so you tell me how we survived this long without this fantastic tv show then!

Dear oh dear :no:

Us?

Because we're not in any of the situations, we're in our homes on our PC's.

Your ignorance is reaching alarming levels.

Many people die year on year being in situations Grylls is in. Stranded in deserts, lost in jungles, etc.

Instinct does not substitute knowledge.

You need both if you're to survive genuinely bleak situations.

I'm not trying to say Grylls savez livezz!!11

But jeeez, putting down every single piece of knowledge in the show is just sad, because it's a fact you just do not know all that kind of stuff from birth.

[Popcorned1]

I'm losing the war AudioBoxer. I'm bailing :rolleyes:

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oh em gee...

AB, rethink your arguement please!

Your ignorance is the alarming one here as you obviously never studied history/geography in any great detail! I'm talking about thousands and thousands of years ago when survival was every day life in every part of the world. We didn't have fricking Bear Grylls and his tv show to tell us and humans made it this far!

Jeez louise..

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oh em gee...

AB, rethink your arguement please!

Your ignorance is the alarming one here as you obviously never studied history/geography in any great detail! I'm talking about thousands and thousands of years ago when survival was every day life in every part of the world. We didn't have fricking Bear Grylls and his tv show to tell us and humans made it this far!

Jeez louise..

This isn't thousands of years ago though, so I have no idea what basis your point holds.

You're acting like we, the viewers of the show should have this knowledge because our ancestors did.

We don't because we aren't being brought up in the same era/living conditions. Why would school need to teach us how to survive in a jungle, were thousands of years ago inhabitants living in jungles would've needed that knowledge as mandatory, we don't.

Fact is, the majority of us would just simply die when put into these bleak situations.

So dousing Grylls knowledge is ignorant, because we don't know half the stuff he does, and we wouldn't be able to survive in scenarios prompted by him due to our lack of knowledge.

If you live in a city, or live like most of us you probably won't ever need to know what he knows, but as I said it just makes you ignorant to call it all out because you don't think you'll need it.

Saying everything he teaches is instinctual is incorrect, you'd know that if you watched his work.

[Richard Hammond]

Makes me laugh all the people calling him a fraud and slating him, when was the last time you lot joined the SAS or climbed a mountain instead of sitting on your ass on a computer chair.

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Many people die year on year being in situations Grylls is in.

You're right. Many people slip and hit their heads few feet from their motel rooms :laugh:

[-KJ]

What exactly is the arguement?

His show is educational and entertaining. Yes, people have survived without him and the TV for many, many years. But a lot of that knowledge has been lost in civilized areas because we don't need them today. This show teaches people the different survival techniques that your average Joe would have never known. Sure, he may never need to use these techniques in his life time, but it's still neat to know.

[DrunknMunky Veteran]

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Ok you are completely missing the point. How many of the things do you think Bear actually discovered and is teaching for the first time?

He isn't teaching anything new here, he is using a different medium to pass knowledge on. If you want to get really picky, he's not even the first person to do it on tv either!

I can see it now, AB lost in the woods

"thank god I watched that Bear Grylls show last week, or hell would I know to look in the river for fish or under this rock for some worms!"

:no:

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I love how innocent news gets turned into epic thread!

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Ok you are completely missing the point. How many of the things do you think Bear actually discovered and is teaching for the first time?

He isn't teaching anything new here, he is using a different medium to pass knowledge on. If you want to get really picky, he's not even the first person to do it on tv either!

I can see it now, AB lost in the woods

"thank god I watched that Bear Grylls show last week, or hell would I know to look in the river for fish or under this rock for some worms!"

:no:

Does it matter?

How many teachers in the world in University's are teaching things for the first time? How many people in jobs are training others stuff never trained before? How many Army sergeants are teaching soldiers how to fire guns which have never been fired before, or survive in a war?

You need knowledge to be passed on by individuals, whether it's been discovered by them or not. It really doesn't matter.

The world runs on people with knowledge sharing it with others lacking in it, regardless of where it's come from, if it's being taught for the first time, or if 8,000,000 people know about it.

And that comment at the end, just shows how pathetic you're being in this topic.

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@ Rappy, Lets just get back to "get better soon" :p

Like it even matters, its a broken shoulder. He should shrug it off with his super duper SAS trainingz!!1! :p

@AB, well I don't know what stone age course you're learning, but I have plenty of new technology to learn about in my course (Y)

I forgot though, your opinion > *. Bear Grylls is god etc etc.

I'm not being pathetic at all, maybe you just need to use common sense for once!

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Does it matter?

How many teachers in the world in University's are teaching things for the first time? How many people in jobs are training others stuff never trained before? How many Army sergeants are teaching soldiers how to fire guns which have never been fired before, or survive in a war?

You need knowledge to be passed on by individuals, whether it's been discovered by them or not. It really doesn't matter.

The world runs on people with knowledge sharing it with others lacking in it, regardless of where it's come from, if it's being taught for the first time, or if 8,000,000 people know about it.

And that comment at the end, just shows how pathetic you're being in this topic.

Agree wholeheartedly. It really is a stupid discussion, this man is on a TV show that is meant for entertainment and nothing else. People try to make a big deal out of it calling him a fraud, trickster, etc, but what he is doing is providing quality entertainment for viewers of the show and passing along a thing or two in the process. Like it or not Bear Grylls is a tough guy, he holds many "record" titles, and I don't see why the other guy in this thread so ardently hates his show.

To say he is a fraud would mean that he is nothing of what he says he is or knowledgeable in what he preaches on TV, when indeed he is. Look him up and look at what he did and the ranks he earned, and then say he's a fraud.

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@AB, well I don't know what stone age course you're learning, but I have plenty of new technology to learn about in my course (Y)

I forgot though, your opinion > *. Bear Grylls is god etc etc.

I'm not being pathetic at all, maybe you just need to use common sense for once!

Yes, you're learning about new technology discovered by others, taught by your tutors. I guess your tutors are wortheless because they didn't discover the technology? No, you yourself would be worthless on your course without your tutors.

Just like I hypothetically speaking would be worthless stranded in the middle of a desert unless someone with knowledge had helped me. That could be anyone with the knowledge, just in this case some of it could've came from Bear Grylls. The knowledge he's teaching is helpful/correct/life saving, the method it's presented in may be structured/artificially made/presented in TV fashion, but that doesn't make the knowledge any less correct.

Your history teacher probably taught you about guns/war/torture, I'm sure she didn't re-enact it 1:1 in class.

These people are the passage of knowledge between you and what you're learning, that's the most important thing.

I never said Bear Grylls is god, again you're getting frustrated and saying silly things.

I have a respect for the guy as he's very knowledgeable in his field, and teenagers/young adults sitting behind their computers dissing the guy like some of you are is just plain and simply pathetic.

Edited December 7, 2008 by Audioboxer

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good!

cant stand this bloke, he knows sod all about anything...

he just eats anything that moves even wen he doesnt need to!

all he is about is the shock factor of seeing sum1 eat a live frog on tv.

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good!

cant stand this bloke, he knows sod all about anything...

he just eats anything that moves even wen he doesnt need to!

all he is about is the shock factor of seeing sum1 eat a live frog on tv.

And heeeeere we go again... another huge dollop of ignorance.

Military

After leaving school, Grylls went climbing in the Himalayan mountains of Sikkim and West Bengal. He then joined the British Army's Special Forces reserve, serving for three years as a Specialist Combat Survival Instructor and Patrol Medic with the 21 SAS regiment. His military service ended in 1997 due to a parachuting accident he suffered the previous year during a training exercise in Kenya. His canopy ripped at 16,000 feet (4500 m), partially opening, causing him to fall and land on his parachute pack on his back, which broke three vertebrae, and left him struggling to feel his legs. Grylls later said of the accident, "I should have cut the main parachute and gone to the reserve but thought there was time to resolve the problem". Grylls spent the next 18 months in rehabilitation at Headley Court and, with his military service over, directed his efforts into trying to get well enough to fulfill his childhood dream of climbing Mount Everest.

Grylls has since been awarded the honorary rank of Lieutenant Commander in the UK's Royal Naval Reserve for services to both charity and human endeavour.

Feats and Record attempts

Grylls has been involved in several solo, and team based feats, and attempts for charity or record breaking.

By land

Ama Dablam

Grylls first entered the record books in 1997 by being the youngest Briton to summit Ama Dablam in the Himalayas with his good friend Colm Keaveney , a peak famously described by Sir Edmund Hillary as "unclimbable".

Everest

In 1998, Grylls achieved a Guinness World Record as the youngest Briton, at 23, to summit Mount Everest. However, James Allen, an Australian/British climber who ascended Everest in 1995 with an Australian team, but who has dual citizenship, beat him to the summit at age 22. Since then, British climber Rhys Jones reached the summit on his 20th birthday in May 2006.

In an interview with David Letterman (June 2007), Letterman calls him "the youngest Briton to summit Everest" and Bear corrects him by saying another man, Michael Matthews, did it the following year but died on the way down, and, regardless of his death, it has become this man's record.

By sea

Circumnavigation of the UK

In 2000, Grylls, with his friend Neil Laughton, was among the first team to circumnavigate the UK on a personal watercraft or jet ski, to raise money for the Royal National Lifeboat Institution (RNLI).

Crossing the North Atlantic

Three years later, he led a team of five British men on the first unassisted crossing of the north Atlantic Arctic Ocean, in an open rigid inflatable boat. The team battled giant waves, polar bears, icebergs and storms.

By air

Paramotoring over Angel Falls

In 2005, Grylls led the first team ever to attempt to paramotor over the remote jungle plateau of the Angel Falls in Venezuela. The team was attempting to reach the highest, most remote high tepuis, made famous by Conan Doyle's Lost World.

Dinner party at altitude

In 2005, alongside balloonist and mountaineer David Hempleman-Adams and Lieutenant Commander Alan Veal, leader of the Royal Navy Freefall Parachute Display Team, Bear Grylls created a world record for the highest ever open-air formal dinner party, which they did under a hot air balloon at 25,000 feet, dressed in full Mess dress and oxygen masks. To train for the event, Bear made over 200 parachute jumps. This was in aid of the The Duke of Edinburgh's Award and The Prince's Trust.

Paramotoring over the Himalayas

In 2007, Grylls claimed to have broken a new world record by flying a paramotor over the Himalayas, higher than Mount Everest (original claim, "over Mount Everest", and after being challenged, "above Everest" on his website).

His report of the flight described coping with temperatures of −60 ?C and dangerously low oxygen levels to reach 29,500 feet, almost 10,000 feet higher than the previous record of 20,019 feet.

The expedition raised over $2 million for children's charities worldwide including Global Angels. Grylls described the expedition, filmed for Discovery Channel worldwide as well as Channel 4 in the UK, as "the hairiest, most frightening thing" he had ever done.

While Grylls initially claimed that the flight was over Everest itself, the permit was only to fly to the south of Everest, and he did not approach Everest itself out of risk of violating Chinese airspace.

The pair took off from 14,500 feet, 8 miles south of the mountain. Grylls says he got within two miles of the famous peak during his ascent. From there, the mission website reports him "riding the wind into the record books".

"There are various formalities and rules. You need a proper flight recorder trace, an FAI license, you've got to take off from flat ground – you can't just take off from the side of a hill. You need to have a flight observer. If you don't, it's not a record" he added, "It's the responsibility of anybody who does anything ground-breaking to prove what they have done." He said that even if the instrument displays froze mid-flight, as Grylls wrote afterwards, it doesn't mean they stopped recording. "It may well be they've got a trace."

Edited December 7, 2008 by Audioboxer

[-KJ]

Ok you are completely missing the point. How many of the things do you think Bear actually discovered and is teaching for the first time?

He isn't teaching anything new here, he is using a different medium to pass knowledge on. If you want to get really picky, he's not even the first person to do it on tv either!

I can see it now, AB lost in the woods

"thank god I watched that Bear Grylls show last week, or hell would I know to look in the river for fish or under this rock for some worms!"

:no:

Right. Now you're just punching thin air. Does it matter whether or not Bear actually discovered and taught anything for the first time? That doesn't even make sense :laugh:.

He's just passing his knowledge over the subject of survival in nature's harsh conditions and entertaining the audience with some awesome scenery. And I guarantee you that many of the things he discusses on his show are new to others. I learned a few things from watching it.

good!

cant stand this bloke, he knows sod all about anything...

he just eats anything that moves even wen he doesnt need to!

all he is about is the shock factor of seeing sum1 eat a live frog on tv.

:rofl: It certainly helped his ratings.

[DrunknMunky Veteran]

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I never said there was anything wrong with him passing on knowledge. Plenty of others have done it on tv in the past like I said. I just said you don't need to watch his show to survive. You do realise people get shipwrecked even in recent history, lost in all kinds of remote locations and they survive right?. Sure not everyone does, it really comes down to each individuals situation, especially if they are injured. No amount of eating grubs will help if you are losing **** loads of blood.

I do not need this tv show to know to eat fish and grubs though. I could easily survive out in wild without ever watching this show or any other similar style documentary. I might not know how to go about catching and killing wild life straight off the bat, but instinct will definitely kick in and I would find a way. When my life is on the line I wouldn't be giving up at the first hurdle. Humans are at the top of the food chain for a reason.

I'm not getting frustrated. I'm simply poniting out how absurd you are being that you really think you wouldn't stand a chance if you were out in the wild without watching Bear Grylls or any of the other documentaries (or shown by anyone for that matter).

To your last comment, if you're trying to insult me you're doing a poor effort. I never dissed the guy once and good for him if he was previously in the SAS/success of his show. I've put an arguement out there to discuss, thats not pathetic. I don't need SAS training to survive which was my first complaint to an earlier comment in the topic, and its true! :yes:

Hell, does that make everyone who watched his show SAS trained? It goes completely against that person's arguement if they learned how to survive eating live fish & bugs and should they ever have to use his teachings IRL. You've just proved anyone can do it! Give them a medal!

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I never said there was anything wrong with him passing on knowledge. Plenty of others have done it on tv in the past like I said. I just said you don't need to watch his show to survive. You do realise people get shipwrecked even in recent history, lost in all kinds of remote locations and they survive right?. Sure not everyone does, it really comes down to each individuals situation, especially if they are injured. No amount of eating grubs will help if you are losing **** loads of blood.

I do not need this tv show to know to eat fish and grubs though. I could easily survive out in wild without ever watching this show or any other similar style documentary. I might not know how to go about catching and killing wild life straight off the bat, but instinct will definitely kick in and I would find a way. When my life is on the line I wouldn't be giving up at the first hurdle. Humans are at the top of the food chain for a reason.

I'm not getting frustrated. I'm simply poniting out how absurd you are being that you really think you wouldn't stand a chance if you were out in the wild without watching Bear Grylls or any of the other documentaries (or shown by anyone for that matter).

To your last comment, if you're trying to insult me you're doing a poor effort. I never dissed the guy once and good for him if he was previously in the SAS/success of his show. I've put an arguement out there to discuss, thats not pathetic. I don't need SAS training to survive which was my first complaint to an earlier comment in the topic, and its true! :yes:

Hell, does that make everyone who watched his show SAS trained? It goes completely against that person's arguement if they learned how to survive eating live fish & bugs and should they ever have to use his teachings IRL. Give them a medal!

You don't need to watch the show, but if you wanted to survive in these situations you'd need to learn your knowledge from elsewhere, or be very fortunate enough to survive without making any mistakes.

I do not need this tv show to know to eat fish and grubs though. I could easily survive out in wild without ever watching this show or any other similar style documentary. I might not know how to go about catching and killing wild life straight off the bat, but instinct will definitely kick in and I would find a way. When my life is on the line I wouldn't be giving up at the first hurdle. Humans are at the top of the food chain for a reason.

You still don't get the point. I seriously don't think you've ever watched the shows much, and this comment pretty much proves that.

They are about surviving in specific scenario's/specific areas where it's notoriously hard to. We're not talking about random jungles where food could be plentiful.

We are talking about some of the hardest places on earth, where it's known to be very difficult to survive.

If you think you can just waltz into some of these locations equipped with instinct and think you'll have a good chance think again. Even people with knowledge fail to survive in many of these locations.

I'm not getting frustrated. I'm simply poniting out how absurd you are being that you really think you wouldn't stand a chance if you were out in the wild without watching Bear Grylls or any of the other documentaries (or shown by anyone for that matter).

I'd stand somewhat of a chance like everyone, but as I said above many of the shows are area specifics, where there isn't high numbers of survival, and how to increase your chances in these areas.

To your last comment, if you're trying to insult me you're doing a poor effort. I never dissed the guy once and good for him if he was previously in the SAS/success of his show. I've put an arguement out there to discuss, thats not pathetic. I don't need SAS training to survive which was my first complaint to an earlier comment in the topic, and its true! :yes:

You commented that everything he taught is instinctual, that is insulting to him, as it's not.

Hell, does that make everyone who watched his show SAS trained? It goes completely against that person's arguement if they learned how to survive eating live fish & bugs and should they ever have to use his teachings IRL. Give them a medal!

Never said that (and the tone of that comment is pathetic). I've now seen you mention eating bugs about 1000 times, if again you actually watched the shows you'd know there's a lot more to it than that.

Summing his knowledge/show up as that is ignorant.

Edited December 7, 2008 by Audioboxer

[acies]

So... wait... people are calling him a fraud when he has fallen from a mountain he was being filmed climbing...

So, some parts of his show were "staged".. Boo Hoo! Looking down your noise at him and calling him a fraud for that is a bit of an over reaction.

[Angelic Marge]

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You don't need to watch the show, but if you wanted to survive in these situations you'd need to learn your knowledge from elsewhere, or be very fortunate enough to survive without making any mistakes.

No a lot of it is just common sense. I know that if I get wet clothes in the artic there is a huge/definite chance I will get hypothermia / frostbite. I know to stay away from thin ice and stay on solid ground. Seriously, it's not rocket science. This goes back to the ice age for pete sake!

You still don't get the point. I seriously don't think you've ever watched the shows much, and this comment pretty much proves that.

They are about surviving in specific scenario's/specific areas where it's notoriously hard to. We're not talking about random jungles where food could be plentiful.

We are talking about some of the hardest places on earth, where it's known to be very difficult to survive.

If you think you can just waltz into some of these locations equipped with instinct and think you'll have a good chance think again. Even people with knowledge fail to survive in many of these locations.

Well you are wrong because I have seen his show and others like it in the past. Like I said, it comes down to the specific person how they cope of course. I didn't say people have 100% success rate in these locations. You do not need this tv show to survive.

You commented that everything he taught is instinctual, that is insulting to him, as it's not.

Ok well if thats what you think, I guess I'm insulting him. You need a geography lesson or two, that much is evident (Y)

Never said that (and the tone of that comment is pathetic). I've now seen you mention eating bugs about 1000 times, if again you actually watched the shows you'd know there's a lot more to it than that.

Summing his knowledge/show up as that is ignorant.

I used that comment over and over again because someone else used it as an example earlier in the topic, and I'm pointing out why it's such a ridiculous claim to make.

[MrChainsaw]

Survivorman is more realistic.

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No a lot of it is just common sense. I know that if I get wet clothes in the artic there is a huge/definite chance I will get hypothermia / frostbite. I know to stay away from thin ice and stay on solid ground. Seriously, it's not rocket science. This goes back to the ice age for pete sake!

Who dictates what common sense is when you're stuck in the middle of a desert? Most people have never been in a position like that, let alone even know/have spoken to anyone in that kind of position.

Does everyone in your course at University have the same levels of knowledge/skill?

And well done over simplifying the whole show again.

Some things are instinctual, somethings are not. The show revolves around BOTH those categories.

Well you are wrong because I have seen his show and others like it in the past. Like I said, it comes down to the specific person how they cope of course. I didn't say people have 100% success rate in these locations.

My point proven then. If success rate isn't 100%, and every person is on a different level of knowledge, shows/knowledge discussion like this help increase survival chances and educate people.

Ok well if thats what you think, I guess I'm insulting him. You need a geography lesson or two, that much is evident (Y)

So geography teaches you everything in his shows?

Even if that were the case, I didn't take geography in school, so what about people like me without the knowledge you supposedly have?

As I said earlier, we need many vessels of knowledge sharing it with people.

I used that comment over and over again because someone else used it as an example earlier in the topic, and I'm pointing out why it's such a ridiculous claim to make.

Someone with training at his level is always going to be more equipped than someone without.

If any of us "normal" people think we could out survive him in some of the scenarios presented in the shows, we'd probably fail.

Of course his chances are nowhere near 100% either, but knowledge is key to survival in many of the proposed scenarios.

All he's doing is passing on that knowledge to others, and calling him a fraud and throwing instinct/your geography lessons at him to downplay his field of knowledge/skill is just sad.

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Who dictates what common sense is when you're stuck in the middle of a desert? Most people have never been in a position like that, let alone even know/have spoken to anyone in that kind of position.

Does everyone in your course at University have the same levels of knowledge/skill?

And well done over simplifying the whole show again.

Some things are instinctual, somethings are not. The show revolves around BOTH those categories.

Common sense is I need to eat if I'm stuck in the middle of nowhere. I'm going to look for food any way I can. What else am I going to do, sit around and make sand castles?

No not everyone has the same knowledge, but I'd hope everyone knows they need food and water and will try a lot of different ideas where to find it! I never said people will go straight to the source of them, it's obviously going to be a learning experience if it ever happened.

And yes I'm summarising the show because I don't want to fill the topic with walls of text!

All he's doing is passing on that knowledge to others, and calling him a fraud and throwing instinct/your geography lessons at him to downplay his field of knowledge/skill is just sad.

Again you're assuming I said I know more than him? I never did that at all. I said a lot of it is common sense. I said his show was a fraud because he doesn't present the 100% truth what he does when filming.

[-Nic-]

My god you two....You two are worse than me/jedi me/ayepecks me/bangbang and me/unimatrix.

I'm with Audio on this one...dude may kind of be a fraud, but he's still wicked sick. I enjoy his shows, regardless of if they are rehearsed or not.

I enjoy Top Gear for this exact reason. I know when Richard hit's Captain Slow's cars that it is for show....and yet....I crack up every time it happens. :D