Windows 7 RC available to Microsoft OEM Partners

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Grand Master

fix-this!

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You know, people don't have to leak builds. So what that you have to wait? Get over it. That one post shows me your personality. It's more than likely that it will leak a few days before public release anyway.

you don't know a thing about me, so chill out! i meant i wanted to install this weekend because during my work week im hardly online at all.

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Stetson

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I don't completely disagree with you, but you have to also look at it like Microsoft is getting beta testing done for free. Besides, there are enough other perks you get with that subscription that is it hardly unfair if Microsoft just released it for all testers at the same time regardless if they have a subscription or not.

But subscribed partners are much more likely to report issues through internal channels. If Microsoft released an RC build to the public that had some driver or stability issue, the internet would be flooded with forum and blog posts about "Windows 7 Following in Vista's Footsteps?." That's partly why they do such a staged rollout.

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soonerproud

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But subscribed partners are much more likely to report issues through internal channels. If Microsoft released an RC build to the public that had some driver or stability issue, the internet would be flooded with forum and blog posts about "Windows 7 Following in Vista's Footsteps?." That's partly why they do such a staged rollout.

That is not the point that was made earlier. The point was that subscribers pay to get that kind of access and that all others were free loaders. My point is that Microsoft has gained much more, even with those wrinkles you mentioned by getting free beta testing done in the real world and letting the debugging code report issues. Even if those users never report a single issue, there is a ton of data Microsoft is collecting off these people because of the reporting tools built into Win 7 and the debugging code.

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UncleSpellbinder

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Hopefully Themida bugs are fixed. Otherwise it will be a bad RC.

After digging around a bit to find out what Themida is after the List of applications crashing since 7077, due to Themida incompatibility thread

was started, I still don't get it. Either the MANY applications/programs I have installed don't use Themida, or the so-called "Themida bugs"

are affecting a very small minority of Win 7 users.

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funkyblue

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After digging around a bit to find out what Themida is after the List of applications crashing since 7077, due to Themida incompatibility thread

was started, I still don't get it. Either the MANY applications/programs I have installed don't use Themida, or the so-called "Themida bugs"

are affecting a very small minority of Win 7 users.

It only affected x86 7077 for me. My email program The Bat works fine in x64 7077.

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Ambroos

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Themida is mainly hacker software. MS doesn't care.

Themida is used by a lot of real software too. Look at the thread. And yes, it's only x86 that has the issue so it's probably not by design, and I guess it's already fixed in newer internal builds. It happens from time to time that a quirk shows up on one or another internal build and it get's fixed in a later one.

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Cold Blood

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Let's face facts, OEM companies are more important, reason? Because they provide our hardware, Dell, HP are really big players, but don't forget ATi or nVidia and so on.

couldn't agree more. Most people just have to face the fact that microsoft has other things to worry. ;)

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Lord Ba'al

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Microsoft released a Simplified Chinese version of Windows for the Chinese market. The updated system identified itself as Windows 3.2. The update was limited to this language version, as it fixed only issues related to the complex writing system of the Chinese language.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_3.2

So Windows 3.2 was Chinese only... no wonder I never heard of it.

You people need to research a lot more. It's already been confirmed that it was put up by mistake and that OEM's are getting interim builds not the RC as there is no RC build to give yet because it's yet to be compiled.
This presentation is actually an error on the part of Microsoft (which l then withdrew). At the moment, only the OEM like Dell or HP customers have access to test builds. Come to graft here a few days MSDN, TechNet subscribers and testers. According my close sources team Corp, the general public will have to wait a few extra days to download Windows 7 RC 5 May 2009 , then that other sources announce the 15 May.

Yes, March 15 sounds more like it. March 5th would probably be a little too soon.

After digging around a bit to find out what Themida is after the List of applications crashing since 7077, due to Themida incompatibility thread

was started, I still don't get it. Either the MANY applications/programs I have installed don't use Themida, or the so-called "Themida bugs"

are affecting a very small minority of Win 7 users.

Same here. I searched around for a bit, and it seems Themida is a lot used by hackers and malware writers, so it's probably not one of MS' priorities.

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stealth080

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Themida is the software protection system. It's very OS-specific due to its concept, so there are compatibility problems with changes in Windows 7 kernel. All you need is to get the update for your protected software. You shouldn't hope that this will be fixed in RC cos it's not the OS bug.

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stealth080

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That's fine. Yet the apps don't even run in compatibility mode!. Also why do they work in 7077 x64 yet not x86?

IMHO compatibility mode may solve only user-mode problems, not the kernel-mode ones. Since x86 and x64 kernel are different - the changes could be slightly different too. Also, the x86 version of themida may have some kind of hidden bug which still let it work on older OS while preventing it from run on Windows 7.

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atleeit

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I am a Microsoft Partner so getting this will be sweet as on May 5th, Just 1 day past when my internet usage resets :D

MSDN people cannot get this yet, logged in and nothing, also Microsoft put that page up on Partners as for there testing purposes only.

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Lord Ba'al

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I am a Microsoft Partner so getting this will be sweet as on May 5th, Just 1 day past when my internet usage resets :D

MSDN people cannot get this yet, logged in and nothing, also Microsoft put that page up on Partners as for there testing purposes only.

Well, judging from that chat log, the RC should be released officially on 15 May.

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DerAusgewanderte

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Huh? :blink:

I never said that any of the apps listed were malware, don't put words into my mouth!

it seems though as if you just wrote that. in any case, it's easy to interpret your sentence that way:

"I searched around for a bit, and it seems Themida is a lot used by hackers and malware writers"

you are not excluding the ones listed ;)

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UncleSpellbinder

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That's fine. Yet the apps don't even run in compatibility mode!. Also why do they work in 7077 x64 yet not x86?

I still can't figure what apps use Themida. As I said on the Themida thread, I've got every app I had installed on Vista now installed on Win 7 (7077) and then some. Never had any issues with any app.

Confused.

And yes, there's no way around the fact that malware/virus writers use Themida on a regular basis. This doesn't mean that Themida is bad, it just means that it may (for some) be difficult to determine a true app from a virus/malware ridden app.

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