WMP12 win7 7100, Stop WMP12 from touching folder.jpg files

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I haven't checked my own install (currently at work) but all my artwork is in my songs and I don't have/create folder.jpg. In Now playing, my artwork is proper high res version. May I ask why are you creating folder.jpg when they are not required in the first place?

turn on hidden files and you will see them.

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tried this little scenario. had WMP12 running for about 30+ minutes (watching video), it managed to resize almost all my folder.jpg to 200x200. Removed all small folder.jpg files. Started zune and zune manged to replace all folder.jpg in correct res. Then started WMP12 again, and WMP started resizing them again.

zachdms you keep mentioning album art extractor, if it was just an extractor then it should extract the correct res from the file and place correct folder.jpg. This is album art resizer.

Cool: it sounds like you can reproduce this. So what is the minimal set of data required to reproduce this? Maybe zip up that data set?

Yes, I am completely avoiding the "resizer" discussion in a) an attempt to understand how are you hitting this behavior and b) my non-understanding of the documentation surrounding the RC. If I did know "b", it'd still be of value to avoid the resizer discussion in order to understand why you are seeing this behavior and how you got into that state. If some random tagging app is plugging into the shell folder.jpg logic without writing albumartsmall.jpg, for example, it'd be good to get that app fixed up. I am not willing nor able to discuss the resizer at this time, other than to point again to my earlier comment which may seem prescient at some later point:

Are there Windows 7 RC release notes out? I'd think there might be the place for more information on this subject. A quick Process Monitor spelunk shows a couple obvious points of interest, but perhaps MS has some better communication on that subject.

If we can put the horse before the cart (actually understanding why you're seeing that behavior), that would be great. :)

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not sure why I only noticed this right now with Win7 and WMP12, but this has been going on for quite sometime

quick seach on google, http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ei=...jpg&spell=1

There are quite a few people that really don't like this "feature" Wouldn't it be simplier for WMP to leave folder.jpg alone, fine it can create the albumartsmall.jpg.

Another note zune doesn't resize folder.jpg files, why is WMP doing it. Is zune software team seperate from wmp team?

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Didn't know people still used WMP.

Been using Media Player Classic Home Cinema 64 for about 2 years now

MPC is great for what it does, but comparing it to WMP is like comparing a swiss army knife with a bread knife. For me, MPC is far too basic to ever replace WMP, and I am also not overly impressed with the sound quality MPC produces either.

For me WMP11 is perfect, fantastic in design but I find the design of 12 to be awful, it is convoluted and ugly. The removal of the graphical equaliser has also annoyed me.

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not sure why I only noticed this right now with Win7 and WMP12, but this has been going on for quite sometime
It would be good to understand why you're seeing this.

If you're going to attempt to treat system hidden files are "your" files, you're going to want to be sure you plug in to the system well.

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I searched and deleted all desktop.ini (except main My Music one) and all *.jpg. One hour and a reboot later with no WMP running and only Zune playing a playlist, I don't see any file created yet. Show Hidden/system files is turned on.

There is some disk activity by Zune - it is accessing all mp3.

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You guys are right :blush: All of my 500x500 artwork is now a 200x200 folder.jpg.

nekrosoft13, how do you trigger Zune resizing it back to hi-res?

Zune had all my hi-res images in cache, all I had to do is search for folder.jpg in music folder. Remove all of them. Run Zune and zune automatically restored all hi-res folder.jpg.

But then becareful, because when you start WMP, it will start reszing them again.

They should've looked at foobar2000's developers' hands; their policy is clear: Neither the client, or any plugin is allowed to update tags silently by default/without user's clear confirmation.

excactly, what WMP is doing now can be compared to malware. It does things that user doesn't want.

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^-- The trick with fixing any "library" corruption is getting the steps required to reproduce that corruption such that they can track down how it's getting corrupted in the first place and fix that.

This ties in with me asking for how to reproduce specific concerns. Imagine that you had someone impassioned about an issue: it's probably a really good plan to attempt to get data from them that might solve the problem for everyone as opposed to prematurely say "oh have you tried this alternative" which leaves everyone minus them in the same basic condition.

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The steps required are really simple.

Add music directory located on seperate partition (or external USB hard drive) to the Music Library through explorer (right-click---->Properties etc) wait for indexing to get finished, fire up WMP12 and stare at empty library, except for sample tunes. Same for Videos library. Removing and re-adding them through WMP12 instead of Explorer doesn't seem to help.

I've had WMP12 open for several hours now and nothing.

To be honest, I'm probably missing something, for which I would gladly eat humble pie, as I'd rather use WMP than third party apps as it suits my needs nicely, but Foobar and MPC-HC are waiting in the wings.

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Library corruption issues belong in a different thread, I'd think. :)

In the Windows 7 RC version, you will need to manually stop the Windows Media Player Network Sharing Service previous to using the "reset Media Library" option. This should be fixed for the final release.

I would greatly appreciate if people would not sidetrack this thread with any issue other than "WMP touching folder.jpg files" per thread title. That way you create your own thread and get better help there where other people can more easily discover it to both help you and benefit from it. :)

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If you keep the Folder.jpg and get rid of the other .jpg files does it still resize it ti 200x200 later on?

Also try a mp3 files that does not have embedded art and use your own Folder.jpg, does it still resize to 200x200?

I am testing both of the methods with mp3 files that have embedded art and a few that dont to see if this work and so far my Folder.jpg files have not been resized. I have update from the internet options turned off also. If I remove the files from the library and add them back in then the Folder.jpg goes back to 200x200.

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If you get rid of the reserved system file 'albumartsmall.jpg' for whatever reason, then at any later point when small thumbnails are shown (shell, Media Center, Windows Media Player) you may trigger the album art extractor which will refresh the folder.jpg/albumartsmall.jpg pair.

There's no reason to just make a "folder.jpg" file unless you are deliberately trying to cause this. :)

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A simple Process Monitor review of the player shows

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\MediaPlayer\Preferences]

"LargeAlbumArtSize"=dword:00000320

"SmallAlbumArtSize"=dword:00000190

might be interesting. They will not affect everything. They max out at 800(x800). Use at your own risk.

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I know there is at least one person from WMP team on the forums.

While Win7 is still being developed, please stop WMP12 from touching folder.jpg files fore music folders.

I had most files at 500x500 at least, and WMP12 changed them all to 200x200.

Zune doesn't resize files, why is WMP12 doing it, WMP11 does it sometimes as well, time to get rid of this stupid "feature".

200x200 jpg looks horrible on Media Player, like zune for example.

Do yourself a favor and remove WMP and install Winamp 552 Pro. It is far superior than WMP, just about anything is. :rolleyes:

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Do yourself a favor and remove WMP and install Winamp 552 Pro. It is far superior than WMP, just about anything is. :rolleyes:
Awesome. If anybody feels that way, go to "Optional Features" and turn off WMP.

I'll assume that everybody that's not retarded and is still reading the thread has an actual interest in discussing WMP and Windows 7 beta/RC functionality as opposed to trolling about favorite players du jour . lol :)

I'm down for discussing WinAMP and Windows 7 in a WinAMP thread. It's a great player that you and I both want to work excellently on Windows 7. But hijacking technical discussions for opinion wars is lame and a half. :)

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