Barclays Premier League Season 2009/2010

[Martyn]

Liverpool were very very lucky today, the game turned when the ref (You was bloody crap by the way) sent off Ward even though there were near enough no touch to who ever went down (Dive). Also why is it whenever Wolves touched any Liverpool players the card was out yet Steven Gerrard did 2 worse tackles and he doesn't get a card? Are refs not allowed to book him or something?

Lets face it you wasn't going to beat us with 11 players so you had to get 1 of ours sent off that was evident when all the Liverpool players (including Reina who had run 80 yards up pitch) surrounded the ref (correct me if im wrong but isn't that meant to be a bookable offence these days?).

Gerrard's goal was also in fact a foul on Milijas. Don't believe me then look at photo evidence: Fouling Git :crazy:

I'm glad to see you started your first XI against us, I guess it is just Alex Ferguson that McCarthy tucks into bed every night.

Ward was sent off for two bookable offences, simple as really. As for the players surrounding the referee and assistant referee's, Andre Marriner should be thanking Reina on bended knees as he would surely be refereeing in League 1 next week if he had not rectified his original mistake.

Thanks for kicking Torres all over the pitch for 90 minutes by the way. It was an obvious ploy. It took you, what, 10 seconds of the match before you fouled Torres?

As for Gerrard, on one of the lunges he got the ball, it was a superb tackle. The other was a foul at most, and would have been a harsh yellow card.

Also, if you think Gerrard fouled your defender in the build up to that goal then I fear for the football knowledge of the average fan.

Take another look.

[Subject Delta]

I suppose you think a double footed lunge (which Gerrard did btw) isn't a sending off offence or stamping on someone's ankle well after the ball has been played. As for your contact sport remark lets remember that next time you complain about getting kicked all over the pitch.

Martyn has already covered the lunge point, so let me just tell you this:

When a man jumps, his arms go up to get more leverage into his jump, it is actually simple physics. Unless he is actively leaning on a defender (which he wasn't) then it isn't a foul.

[wolfman1380]

Ah well it's over with all I've got to say is I will be very very happy if Gerrard has a serious injury before the World Cup and Liverpool fail to finish in the champions league places.

[Subject Delta]

Yeah, having one of England's key players injured before the World Cup would be so good for the team :rolleyes:

Just another childish and jealous little kid that can't accept that his team got beat fair and square. And lets just say this, at least my team will be playing Premier League football next year, so I hope you enjoy your one year of glory before you return to the mediocrity of the first division ;)

[psyn]

well done arsenal. hope cesc's hamstring wont take him out too long again. it's amazing how one player adds so much spunk to a team. traore is also starting to be a bit less worrying to watch. fair play to aston villa though, you guys kept up a good 1st half.

[wolfman1380]

Yeah, having one of England's key players injured before the World Cup would be so good for the team :rolleyes:

Just another childish and jealous little kid that can't accept that his team got beat fair and square. And lets just say this, at least my team will be playing Premier League football next year, so I hope you enjoy your one year of glory before you return to the mediocrity of the first division ;)

There aren't many English fans who like Gerrard anyway and key player? all he does is dive hell he even did it against part timers Andorra that says alot odesn't it.

Rather be a yo-yo club than spend year after year deluding myself we deserves to be Champions (Now theres a joke in itself). I'd sooner put up with the Mancs (both teams) being Champions than your lot. As for Jealous why would i be jealous of your tin pot club who struggles badly without 2 certain players.

BTW Frank did you go Yesterday?

Slanging match a side i hope you have (not Liverpool ;) ) a good New Years.

[Martyn]

Ah well it's over with all I've got to say is I will be very very happy if Gerrard has a serious injury before the World Cup.

I don't really give two ticks about England anyway. I'd rather Gerrard have a summer of rest.

well done arsenal. hope cesc's hamstring wont take him out too long again. it's amazing how one player adds so much spunk to a team. traore is also starting to be a bit less worrying to watch. fair play to aston villa though, you guys kept up a good 1st half.

Fabregas was immense today in the 25 minutes or so he was on the pitch. Honestly, I would rather Arsenal win the league than Man Utd or Chelsea, but Arsenal have the history of throwing it all away...

[psyn]

Fabregas was immense today in the 25 minutes or so he was on the pitch. Honestly, I would rather Arsenal win the league than Man Utd or Chelsea, but Arsenal have the history of throwing it all away...

i cant argue otherwise as an arsenal fan. not aiming to bring up the money-brought-title wars again but i'd have liverpool or man u win the title rather than...

anyway as much as arsenal play wonderful football (on days like these), you'd have to wonder how would they attract top notch players if they end up without silverware for too long a period of time (plus the fact that we cant/dont splurge).

[Subject Delta]

There aren't many English fans who like Gerrard anyway and key player? all he does is dive hell he even did it against part timers Andorra that says alot odesn't it.

Rather be a yo-yo club than spend year after year deluding myself we deserves to be Champions (Now theres a joke in itself). I'd sooner put up with the Mancs (both teams) being Champions than your lot. As for Jealous why would i be jealous of your tin pot club who struggles badly without 2 certain players.

BTW Frank did you go Yesterday?

Slanging match a side i hope you have (not Liverpool ;) ) a good New Years.

All you are really doing is just proving that you are another mindless fan who knows very little about football, if you want to see a diver, watch Drogba, Gerrard isn't a patch on him. And lets put it this way, Liverpool are going to be champions again a long time before wolves are, so I guess the last laugh is on me? And you may not see Gerrard as a key player, but obviously the selectors do because he gets picked for every game, and for the record, why aren't the England selectors queuing at Wolves door to see all their potential England talent... Oh wait, there isn't any, silly me.

[Kralik]

Game was very good to watch and Cesc was sensational.. next comes our trip to Fratton Park.. as I said a great chance for us to come within a point of Chelsea and mount some pressure on them with African Cup coming up Chelsea will lose some key players like Drogba, Essien, Geremi, Mikel and Kalou.. we will miss Song most of all but we can cover for him but 1 purchase.. Veloso or Rodwell I prefer.. great chance for us to bring our first league trophy to Emirates..

[psyn]

Game was very good to watch and Cesc was sensational.. next comes our trip to Fratton Park.. as I said a great chance for us to come within a point of Chelsea and mount some pressure on them with African Cup coming up Chelsea will lose some key players like Drogba, Essien, Geremi, Mikel and Kalou.. we will miss Song most of all but we can cover for him but 1 purchase.. Veloso or Rodwell I prefer.. great chance for us to bring our first league trophy to Emirates..

you'd hope cesc would not be injured for too long :|

[Martyn]

anyway as much as arsenal play wonderful football (on days like these), you'd have to wonder how would they attract top notch players if they end up without silverware for too long a period of time (plus the fact that we cant/dont splurge).

I was reading about Wenger's view about a lack of silverware yesterday. Thought this was a pretty good article on the situation actually, don't know if you have seen it...

Arsenal manager Arsene Wenger believes his crop of young players can become a dominant force in both England and Europe.

Wenger has developed a production line of talent at Emirates Stadium and the Frenchman says his current squad can become one of the best teams on the continent.

The Gunners have not won a trophy since 2005, but Wenger has overseen the rise of some gifted players, including the likes Cesc Fabregas and Theo Walcott.

And the ability on offer at Arsenal has lead the Frenchman to believe his players can better the achievements of his unbeaten title winning side of 2004 - providing they can stick together.

Wenger told the Daily Telegraph: "I hope that this squad will still be together in five years and they will dominate Europe and the league in England. At 21 or 22 you start to be a man.

"When you are younger, it's hard to stand up against a man but when you are that bit older you start to do that.

"People forget they are an average age of 22. What they do is remarkable. I'm convinced they have the potential to be my best team and what they do now confirms what I think."

Obstacle

Wenger's faith in youth was shown in his side's Champions League clash with Olympiakos, where he included 10 teenagers in a squad that were narrowly beaten 1-0.

Carlos Vela, Jack Wilshere and Aaron Ramsey all featured in the defeat to the Group H runners-up and the Arsenal boss reckons his charges can begin to pick-up silverware with more experience.

He highlights the 2007-08 season where the Gunners fell just four points short of champions Manchester United - but says just one triumph can kick-start another period of success in the club's history.

That means the 60-year-old will stand by his youth policy, despite failing to pick up silverware since an FA Cup triumph nearly five years ago.

"When you have never won, the most difficult is to win the first trophy," he added. "Once you are convinced you can win, the rest becomes easier because you relax a little bit.

"To win at the top level is a good mixture between being relaxed and focused. Experience is an obstacle.

"In 2007 we were close to winning the title. I'm confident we can use the experience of 2007 to overturn that."

[psyn]

I was reading about Wenger's view about a lack of silverware yesterday. Thought this was a pretty good article on the situation actually, don't know if you have seen it...

yeah. but sometimes reading through a lens of a longtime arsenal fan, you can't help feeling like "it's the same ol story again".

i'm supportive of teams who provide opportunities to the youth and for an awesome team like arsenal to have an academy training the youths, there's nothing more you can ask for. It's awesome to have a club put on their youngsters in a carling cup or champions league match. On the other hand however, it'd be challenging for a young player to want to join a club that does not really achieve much silverware, not in the long run anyway. It'd be dangerous for us to have a training academy and have youngsters leaving the club when they've acquired certain experience - although i dont negate these things are part and parcel of game transfers. a game of balance i suppose.

[Rappy Veteran]

I was reading how Wenger wants to get rid of throw ins and have kick ins :rofl:

[psyn]

I was reading how Wenger wants to get rid of throw ins and have kick ins :rofl:

lol i'm all for having it a foot-only sport although aw's justifications arent that sound. ;)

[nothuman]

Not our best game, but we won. And the chase is still on.

Very good game from Fabregas btw, maybe the only player in the EPL I would love to see in our squad.

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Not our best game, but we won. And the chase is still on.

Very good game from Fabregas btw, maybe the only player in the EPL I would love to see in our squad.

Rooney's pass was absolutely sublime though (Y)

Berbatov is such a skillful striker and proves he can score many goals but I just think he struggles to fit in with the Man Utd way of doing it, and that's life, not every single world class player can be a world class player at every club.

I really do think the likes of a Villa would boost Man Utd. We need another Van Nistelrooy, even although Rooney is doing well with the goals this season, as a striker big Van would finish absolutely everything, he was awesome.

[nothuman]

Van Nistelrooy was a machine, a robot programmed to score. I don't think we necesseraly need another like him, and I don't really like Villa to be honest. The question of another striker can be resolved after this season, whatever the result of it. Right now it's our defense wich I'm concerned.

[Kostaz]

Game was very good to watch and Cesc was sensational.. next comes our trip to Fratton Park.. as I said a great chance for us to come within a point of Chelsea and mount some pressure on them with African Cup coming up Chelsea will lose some key players like Drogba, Essien, Geremi, Mikel and Kalou.. we will miss Song most of all but we can cover for him but 1 purchase.. Veloso or Rodwell I prefer.. great chance for us to bring our first league trophy to Emirates..

Few will miss Mikel,no-one will miss Kalou and Geremi moved to Newcastle a couple of years ago.Essien has been injured for a month or so the player we will miss big time is Drogba.You may want to add Anelka to that list who's injured and will stay our for 3 weeks.

Good results for both Arsenal and the Mancs,if we continue this way we should bid farewell to the title,not to mention the Champions League.1 match won in the last 7(!!!).

[Subject Delta]

For me, Wenger's words sound like a PR exercise from a manager who knows he simply no longer has the resources to do the job, but I personally give a lot of credit to what Arsenal are doing with what they have, they are a talented group of players, but In the next couple of years, clubs like Chelsea and Man City will keep coming to the for, clubs that can spend their way to success, and unless Liverpool, Man United and Arsenal can secure the same levels of funding, I feel they may eventually end up on the back burner somewhat. Personally I am just hoping for the day that the FA overhauls the regulations to prevent clubs spending like they are at the moment, it isn't healthy for the sport, success should be earnt not brought, and it is putting a lot of teams on the brink of financial disaster.

[Valerus]

I see what Wenger is trying to do with keeping a lot of faith in the youth. But you gotta realize that with RVP out, we need at least a temporarily replacement. I don't know, I just think Eduardo isn't as consistent as he needs to be to be Arsenal's main goal threat.

And Cesc is fantastic. What, 2 goals in under 30 min on the pitch? he was like in and out. Did his duty then left.

Let's hope his hamstring problem will be gone by the time their next two games come up. We need him.

[Subject Delta]

I just think Eduardo isn't as consistent as he needs to be to be Arsenal's main goal threat.

Agreed, although I feel that is negated by the fact that Arsenal seem to be able to creat goals from so many other sources, for me their biggest weakness is defensive in nature, not attacking. Going forward, youth is great because it injects pace, but at the back you need a mix of experience and youth.

[nothuman]

That's exactly what Gallas and Vermaelen are, a mix of youth and experience, and Sagna isn't quite a newcommer anymore. Arsenal only problem for me is the depth of the bench. When key players are injured a top team should be able to be as good as with them. At the moment they seems to do it quit well.

[WastedJoker]

This is the most topsy-turviest Premier season ever. So many points being dropped/taken.

[Rappy Veteran]

don't say we don't give you anything Tottenham ;) :rofl:

Fulham just scored! 4th minute at the Bridge!