Hypnagogue Posted September 26, 2009 Share Posted September 26, 2009 A good spanking may leave a mark on a child that's worse than the red handprint. Spanking and other corporal punishments stunt children's intelligence, new research shows.The IQs of 2- to 4-year-olds who received regular spankings from their parents dropped by more than 5 points over four years, compared with kids who were not spanked. "The practical side of this is that paediatricians and child psychologists need to start doing what none of them do now, and say, 'Never spank under any circumstances,'" says Murray Straus, a sociologist at the University of New Hampshire in Durham, who led the new study along with Mallie Paschall at the Prevention Research Center in Berkeley, California. http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn1785...ts-kids-iq.html New meaning to the phrase, "slapped silly"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John S. Veteran Posted September 26, 2009 Veteran Share Posted September 26, 2009 My daughter (who got her first spanking at 2 or 3) now a Junior in High School, makes straight A's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hypnagogue Posted September 26, 2009 Author Share Posted September 26, 2009 My daughter (who got her first spanking at 2 or 3) now a Junior in High School, makes straight A's. The suggestion was not that spanking a child dooms them to idiocy. All it suggests is that, if left unspanked, a child will have slightly improved IQ scores. Additionally, and this is no disrespect for your daughter's achievements, the connection between IQ and academic scores is often tenuous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabron Posted September 26, 2009 Share Posted September 26, 2009 Spanking is part of the development of all children, this type of study is completely stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bloodrain Posted September 26, 2009 Share Posted September 26, 2009 I beat my kids growing up, and now they have full paid scholarships to one of the best schools in America. This article is fail information. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zain Adeel Posted September 27, 2009 Share Posted September 27, 2009 i think higher IQ not always mean u get better grades... i got IQ of 134 .. thats loads better then my friends.. but i failed an exam :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yxz Posted September 27, 2009 Share Posted September 27, 2009 'no surprise here' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PricklyPoo Posted September 27, 2009 Share Posted September 27, 2009 I don't think IQ has a whole lot to do with good grades. At least with the American education system I'm familiar with, you just have to be good at memorization and spitting it back out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Growled Member Posted September 27, 2009 Member Share Posted September 27, 2009 Spanking is part of the development of all children, this type of study is completely stupid. +1 And think, we may have actually paid for this garbage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaneHusky Posted September 27, 2009 Share Posted September 27, 2009 I call BS. Nothing more than an excuse for parents to be lazy and not "abuse" their children by spanking them. Kids have to be corrected somehow, and spanking has always worked. Parents that don't spank their kids and correct them at a young age are much more likely to have far worse problems in the future than their IQ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biotoxic_hazard_835 Posted September 27, 2009 Share Posted September 27, 2009 I call BS. Nothing more than an excuse for parents to be lazy and not "abuse" their children by spanking them. Kids have to be corrected somehow, and spanking has always worked. Parents that don't spank their kids and correct them at a young age are much more likely to have far worse problems in the future than their IQ. Totally agree. This study is pure bull crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoredBozirini Posted September 27, 2009 Share Posted September 27, 2009 My daughter (who got her first spanking at 2 or 3) now a Junior in High School, makes straight A's. Hooray! Your daughter finishes her homework. Academic achievements only show how responsible a person is, not how intelligent (and no, this is not a cheap shot at your daughter, but a generalization). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenMartian Posted September 27, 2009 Share Posted September 27, 2009 Jeez. Some of you need to re-read the article. It says that spanked children *on average* have *slightly lower* IQ scores. E.g. If Einstein was spanked (or not spanked) he'd have a +/- 5 IQ score than what he had. He'd still be a genius, though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minimoose Posted September 27, 2009 Share Posted September 27, 2009 I love it how people think that 1 personal example which opposes a study proves that the study is incorrect :happy: Some people need to learn about how statistics work ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lamminium Posted September 28, 2009 Share Posted September 28, 2009 Like everyone said, IQ does not necessarily relate to success in life. There are also different types of IQ. Sacrificing a few academic IQ points for a disciplined young mind? I say it's totally worth it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leesmithg Posted September 28, 2009 Share Posted September 28, 2009 Maybe thats why in Britain our MP's are not very bright. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+devHead Subscriber² Posted September 28, 2009 Subscriber² Share Posted September 28, 2009 Spanking is part of the development of all children, this type of study is completely stupid. I agree; all of us kids got spanked as children and we were all above average in school. The only not spanking produces in children as far as I've seen is self-centered, egotistical and thankless grownups. I know one family who don't spank their kids, and they are absolute holy terrors!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hypnagogue Posted September 28, 2009 Author Share Posted September 28, 2009 On a lighter note, I noticed that the title of the thread is quite amusing if you drop the "IQ" off the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rohdekill Posted September 28, 2009 Share Posted September 28, 2009 I love it how people think that 1 personal example which opposes a study proves that the study is incorrect :happy: Some people need to learn about how statistics work ;) Yeah, almost the same way when measuring 1510 kids is a statistically accurate measure of the entire child population. :no: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
argonite Posted September 28, 2009 Share Posted September 28, 2009 "Slightly lower" could be a statistical error. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Decryptor Veteran Posted September 28, 2009 Veteran Share Posted September 28, 2009 I love it how people think that 1 personal example which opposes a study proves that the study is incorrect :happy: Some people need to learn about how statistics work ;) Yeah, but it seems to happen with every article really ("They may say X but I say Y, so their study is flawed") It seems spanking kids is one of those subjects where it's very hard to find a middle ground, it seems to either be always bad or always good (Look at this thread for a good example) I will say though, I don't see the type of hyperbole from the "not spanking" side of the argument that I do from the "pro spanking" side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_dandy_ Posted September 28, 2009 Share Posted September 28, 2009 Causation...correlation. I would suggest that these are rather self-selective results. If the little dumb-**** is too stupid to begin with to learn that bad behavior has consequences, of course he's gonna be more subjected to spanking than the smarter kid who learns from it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred Derf Veteran Posted September 28, 2009 Veteran Share Posted September 28, 2009 I would also suggest that higher educated parents are less likely to spank and children of higher educated parents are likely to have a higher IQ score. It is possible that there is a correlation but the spankings themselves may not be causing the lower scores. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azusa Posted September 28, 2009 Share Posted September 28, 2009 I love it how people think that 1 personal example which opposes a study proves that the study is incorrect :happy: Some people need to learn about how statistics work ;) yeah and anyone who knows anything about statistics know you and prove anything with them and i mean anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hypnagogue Posted September 29, 2009 Author Share Posted September 29, 2009 yeah and anyone who knows anything about statistics know you and prove anything with them and i mean anything. I agree to a point. You can seem to prove anything to most people, but for those with an understanding of probability and statistics it's fairly easy to expose error if you have the actual data. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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