This is Outrageous and Simply Out of Order

[drshdw]

What about this ... yes I know the battery life looks lower but still..

Well you pay for the software, durability, size (aka height), battery life (3x longer...).

Yeah and include gold plated cover for the laptop with diamonds on top of it.. LOL.. let's get real here

Why are you pricing business class laptops? I don't understand.. you are trying to pump up value on top of it.. Go and get XPS laptop from Dell and see how much it costs you. That Dell will be the same quality as Apple laptop as they use the same parts. With business laptops a lot more goes into the price that has nothing to do with hardware. They install certain things, they give you much different support, warranty and so on.. you have them 24 hours on call and they come to your house etc etc.. That's why businesses buy these laptops not individuals.

Mac Books and Mac Book Pros are nothing but regular cheap laptops with some gimmicky unibody thing that does more harm then good considering you can't replace batteries and so forth. Let's get real here.

So stick with the Dell, no one is forcing you to get an Apple laptop/desktop. Don't forget with the Dell you'll need to buy and lug around another battery to get the same battery life! Also a lot of it is personal choice, say if someone non-technically inclined likes using OSX better than Windows, etc, etc.

[Inklin]

I agree with the OP.

and Hackint0shing/OSX86 is not illegal, it is against the EULA of Apple but I highly doubt Apple would get very far with enforcing the clause that states that the OS is for their hardware only.

I have OS X 10.6.3 on my computer, yes it has taken quite a bit of tinkering to get going but it's been worth it and it is pretty stable. I had the choice when I had the money last year, Mac Mini or this computer. I chose this computer because it was much better value for money :)

[drshdw]

Yeah and include gold plated cover for the laptop with diamonds on top of it.. LOL.. let's get real here

Why are you pricing business class laptops? I don't understand.. you are trying to pump up value on top of it.. Go and get XPS laptop from Dell and see how much it costs you. That Dell will be the same quality as Apple laptop as they use the same parts. With business laptops a lot more goes into the price that has nothing to do with hardware. They install certain things, they give you much different support, warranty and so on.. you have them 24 hours on call and they come to your house etc etc..not to mention that laptop has FREAKIN 800-series QUADRO FX in there. That thing costs an arm and a leg. That's why businesses buy these laptops not individuals.

Mac Books and Mac Book Pros are nothing but regular cheap laptops with some gimmicky unibody thing that does more harm then good considering you can't replace batteries and so forth. Don't be silly.

Also the 880M is the 330M respun..

[Soldiers33]

for those prices I could build a computer 5 times better and still save money.

[drshdw]

for those prices I could build a computer 5 times better and still save money.

Yes but in 5 years that computer you built will be worth pennies while people will still pay good money for a Mac.

[soldier1st]

i agree totaly with the OP, those prices are too much, you could build 3 systems for that price and apple are known to overcharge for there junk and they never tell you why it costs more than a pc then they flat out blame you for the high cost but it's not the consumers fault for the high cost,it's just apples greed getting in the way of possible sales. we need to protest to apple about there overcharging on everything, perhaps farting on them will lower the prices.

[watchthisspace]

Yes, Apple's laptops have always been more expensive, but that's how they are and if people are buying them then Apple doesn't have to drop prices at all. Simple supply and demand theory.

Oh and for the specs, the battery life does slap all other laptops in the face..

[drshdw]

I agree with the OP.

and Hackint0shing/OSX86 is not illegal, it is against the EULA of Apple but I highly doubt Apple would get very far with enforcing the clause that states that the OS is for their hardware only.

I have OS X 10.6.3 on my computer, yes it has taken quite a bit of tinkering to get going but it's been worth it and it is pretty stable. I had the choice when I had the money last year, Mac Mini or this computer. I chose this computer because it was much better value for money :)

Average Joe and Jane do not want to Hackintosh nor do they know how to build a computer or tinker it to be stable..

[Inklin]

Average Joe and Jane do not want to Hackintosh nor do they know how to build a computer or tinker it to be stable..

um... where in my post did I refer to what you are saying? :/

[Boz]

Also the 880M is the 330M respun..

Oh yeah.. Geforce 330M is the same as Quadro.. and Nvidia is just screwing people by selling repackaged 330M.. there's a reason why Quadro is a professional class card and GeForce is for gamers/regular users and costs less.

[drshdw]

Oh yeah.. Geforce 330M is the same as Quadro.. and Nvidia is just screwing people by selling repackaged 330M.. there's a reason why Quadro is a professional class card and GeForce is for gamers/regular users and costs less.

Drivers and firmware. But if you don't use say 3dmax, Autocad, Maya, Solid Works, etc, there is barely a performance difference.

um... where in my post did I refer to what you are saying? :/

Oh I'm just saying for regular folk, Hackintoshing isn't a good option for them.

[Boz]

Yes, Apple's laptops have always been more expensive, but that's how they are and if people are buying them then Apple doesn't have to drop prices at all. Simple supply and demand theory.

Oh and for the specs, the battery life does slap all other laptops in the face..

Yep..when you have inferior performance you can pinch on battery life. You don't have to be a genius to figure that out.

And you are right, Apple sells those laptops to sheep who want just Apple because of the illusion that they are a premium product, when in fact it's nothing but nice looking regular laptop just like any other laptop out there. I guess that's a choice that a person makes. I just hate all the BS of the superiority and that it's worth that much. It's not at all. It's a downright overcharging for something based on perception. That's it.

[Berserk87]

No offense but you call my comment BS and then talk about Hackintoshes? OSx86 is illegal, too hard to set up for average users, requires constant tinkering and can stop working altogether with every little update. Some of us don't use computers to surf porn in our mother's basement. We work for companies where things have to be legal, have to be stable, and ideally require as little time for maintenance as possible.

you cant just assume a hackintosh is illegal. there are people out there that own a copy of osx or go out and buy osx to install on there pc.

[Boz]

Drivers and firmware. But if you don't use say 3dmax, Autocad, Maya, Solid Works, etc, there is barely a performance difference.

Correct. .but the card works much better and costs more because money went into those things. . And the card does perform better.

The NVIDIA Quadro FX 880M is a professional middle class graphics card for mobile workstations (about 15"). It is based on the GeForce GT 330M graphics card with slower clock rates and therefore is a DirectX 10.1 chip that is produced in 40nm.

Due to a special BIOS and professional drivers, the FX 880M should perform noticeably better than a 330M in professional applications (like CAD, DCC, Rendering). Another advantage for professional users are the certified drivers that should ensure a bug free experience with the most common professional applications. Futhermore, the Quadro FX drivers contain profiles for these applications to ensure the best settings (similar to the game profiles in GeForce cards).

The Quadro FX 880M is also based on the GT216 core in 40nm. The shaders are based on the desktop GTX 200 architecture and therefore a bit improved compared to the previous generation cards.

Without load, the Quadro FX 880M is able to downclock to 135 / 270 / 135 MHz (chip / shader / memory clock).

The gaming performance of the FX 880M should be beyond the GT 330M. Gamers should choose a GeForce card because of the better game support.

The chip supports Optimus for automatic switching between dedicated and integrated graphics card (e.g. in the new Core i5 CPUs).

And yes, 3ds max, Autodesk, Video Editing all depend on a better card and these software and bios improvements. So you will see noticable performance increase.

[drshdw]

you cant just assume a hackintosh is illegal. there are people out there that own a copy of osx or go out and buy osx to install on there pc.

Sure you can.

http://images.apple.com/legal/sla/docs/macosx106.pdf

A. Single Use License. Subject to the terms and conditions of this License, unless you have purchased a Family Pack or Upgrade license for the Apple Software, you are granted a limited non-exclusive license to install, use and run one (1) copy of the Apple Software on a single Apple-branded computer at a time. You agree not to install, use or run the Apple Software on any non-Apple-branded computer, or to enable others to do so. This License does not allow the Apple Software to exist on more than one computer at a time, and you may not make the Apple Software available over a network where it could be used by multiple computers at the same time.

[drshdw]

Correct. .but the card works much better and costs more because money went into those things. . And the card does perform better.

And yes, 3ds max, Autodesk, Video Editing all depend on a better card. So you will see noticable performance increase.

http://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-Quadro-FX-880M.24735.0.html

http://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-GeForce-GT-330M.22437.0.html

The 880M is a tiny bit faster.

Also no one really wants to run 3ds Max, Autowhatever, etc, on a dinky laptop to begin with. You'll run out of battery life before you get anything important done haha.

[DrCheese]

Sure you can.

http://images.apple.com/legal/sla/docs/macosx106.pdf

No you can't. EULA's don't tend to hold up in court. A random companies EULA doesn't = Law

that and this

https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/639781-os-x-on-non-apple-hardware-discussion/

I love the macbook pro hardware, but I'm not a fan of the OS (Yes I have used it rather than just trolling) It's such a shame that Apple feel the need to cripple it in bootcamp by making shoddy drivers, i.e no graphics switching.

[Richard Hammond]

Sure you can.

http://images.apple.com/legal/sla/docs/macosx106.pdf

EULAs arent legally enforceable, the most Apple could do is refuse to support your hackintosh.

[drshdw]

No you can't. EULA's don't tend to hold up in court. A random companies EULA doesn't = Law

that and this

http://www.neowin.ne...are-discussion/

I love the macbook pro hardware, but I'm not a fan of the OS (Yes I have used it rather than just trolling) It's such a shame that Apple feel the need to cripple it in bootcamp by making shoddy drivers, i.e no graphics switching.

Guess they can't.

[zhangm Supervisor]

http://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-Quadro-FX-880M.24735.0.html

http://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-GeForce-GT-330M.22437.0.html

The 880M is a tiny bit faster.

Also no one really wants to run 3ds Max, Autowhatever, etc, on a dinky laptop to begin with. You'll run out of battery life before you get anything important done haha.

Uh, no. Performance laptops such as the Precision and MBP lines are marketed to people whose work involves heavy duty processing on the go. Perhaps there are some Apple customers out there who will buy a MBP so that oh-so-smooth Facebook surfing experience with 4 GB of RAM and a Core i5. I thought the excuse for the high heat from the MBP was that it was crammed full of performance components for doing serious processing and rendering while traveling, but I guess maybe it is to keep your coffee warm at Starbucks?

Nevermind that the most Apple has ever mustered in the portable/professional class is what most people would consider Business/Casual. Business/Professional still belongs to ThinkPads.

[the evn show]

EULAs arent legally enforceable, the most Apple could do is refuse to support your hackintosh.

See Blizzard v. Glider, Apple v. Psystar.

[AltecXP]

See Blizzard v. Glider, Apple v. Psystar.

Thats reselling.

[shakey]

Sure you can.

http://images.apple.com/legal/sla/docs/macosx106.pdf

EULA is just a way a company will try and force their customers to not try something they do not want to happen. But EULA are far from law, and are normally so far from being balanced for both parties, that no court would uphold one if pressed. Companies just believe that most people will not try to break a EULA, or at most, they know most people will not try to take something to court over what one states. Law, no. Fair, no. A form of mind controlling/fear mongering propaganda, Yes.

[+Audioboxer Subscriber²]

Apple hardware is terribly priced, I don't know how anyone can defend it.

[SaltLife]

I don't agree with the price of Apple's laptops, I would never drop that much on a laptop regardless of the brand.

Yes, they are at a premium price for what they call a 'premium' machine. But sorry, it's still a laptop that gets thrown around. Me buy, I think not.

I would gladly pay that money for one of their ACD which I feel are worth the money.

As for the illegal nonsense with hackintosh, there are somewhat legal ways to install it, and others are not so much so. It's been discussed before. If you alter the software to be able to install it (break the DRM or modify copy protected data)

You are then in fact committing a crime against the Digital Millennium Copy-write Act, now does anyone really care? I highly doubt it. Unless you start distributing copies of it.

Anyway, to much rambling. I agree with the OP Mac laptops are way overpriced, but any laptop in the price range is way out of price for me ;)