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[Colin.B]

I never agreed with the argument that someone who looks worse for wear is the loser. Hell, Diaz made GSP look busted up and he barely hit him. Plus the scoring is based on each round, not the fight as a whole. I feel GSP won rounds 1,3 and 5. 2 and 4 were all Hendricks, and quite easily.

 

This is an interesting break down: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1853770-georges-st-pierre-vs-johny-hendricks-breaking-down-the-fightmetric-numbers

 

I have to say, the fight was a lot closer than most people think and I've heard from a few people who rewatched it only to change their mind and feel GSP won or still maintain Hendricks won but barely. It was a really close, competitive fight. Two weeks from now though everyone will forget and move on to the next perceived robbery.

[D. S. Veteran]

I never agreed with the argument that someone who looks worse for wear is the loser. Hell, Diaz made GSP look busted up and he barely hit him. Plus the scoring is based on each round, not the fight as a whole. I feel GSP won rounds 1,3 and 5. 2 and 4 were all Hendricks, and quite easily.

 

This is an interesting break down: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1853770-georges-st-pierre-vs-johny-hendricks-breaking-down-the-fightmetric-numbers

 

I have to say, the fight was a lot closer than most people think and I've heard from a few people who rewatched it only to change their mind and feel GSP won or still maintain Hendricks won but barely. It was a really close, competitive fight. Two weeks from now though everyone will forget and move on to the next perceived robbery.

 

I don't subscribe to the damage criteria or else Brian Ebersole would've won against Rick Story, but I scored 1, 2 and 4 for Hendricks. Even if you score the 1st round a 10-10, a draw would be better than this. FightMetrics tweeted their results and it also scores it for Hendricks. It's more an issue of GSP barely edging his rounds, while Hendricks won them all out. GSP came out to decision someone, Hendricks came out to win.

 

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Guy on the left is taking a 'selfie'?

 

'Irked' by Rory MacDonald, Ben Askren says he'd fight him for free and retire if he lost

 

Ben Askren continues his quest to bait the UFC into giving him an offer. After UFC 167's tanking of the WW division, I think Dana will make him sweat for a bit and get his price down.

[Colin.B]

I don't subscribe to the damage criteria or else Brian Ebersole would've won against Rick Story, but I scored 1, 2 and 4 for Hendricks. Even if you score the 1st round a 10-10, a draw would be better than this. FightMetrics tweeted their results and it also scores it for Hendricks. It's more an issue of GSP barely edging his rounds, while Hendricks won them all out. GSP came out to decision someone, Hendricks came out to win.

 

I can agree with a draw but the way some people are making it seem, they're suggesting Hendricks dominated him pillar to post which simply is not true. It was a very well contested fight that could have gone either way. Also, GSP may have gone for a decision but when has Hendricks ever been finished? Or Condit. Or Diaz. (In recent memory. I know they've either been TKO'd or submitted but it's been ages.)

I'm only giving GSP credit because he isn't getting enough. Win, lose or draw, he came to fight Saturday night and he took some big shots from Hendricks and kept moving forward. I remember people questioning his heart and how he handles adversity leading up to the Condit fight...He's proven in spades how he handles adversity. He's also been coming to fight recently. In is last 3 fights hes taken what like 50 percent of his career total in hits? Whether he's trying to be more aggressive, it's a result of his surgery or just father time, who knows. All I know is amidst the judging controversy, people are giving him way too much flak. Not you of course but I've seen some people saying things like he's a "deadbeat", he's a "fake champion", he isn't the best, etc. But in MMA, to fans you are only as good as your last fight.

 

Personally, I'd like to see GSP retire and relinquish the belt. He's obviously lost a step in his game and Joe Rogan was right in a recent interview. The guy is losing track of events, forgetting how he got home, forgetting what happened in his fight. For his health he should slow it down. He's been in the UFC for years now and has gone through many battles.

 

Fight I want to see next: Rory MacDonald Vs Nick Diaz despite Diaz is retired.

[D. S. Veteran]

I can agree with a draw but the way some people are making it seem, they're suggesting Hendricks dominated him pillar to post which simply is not true. It was a very well contested fight that could have gone either way. Also, GSP may have gone for a decision but when has Hendricks ever been finished? Or Condit. Or Diaz. (In recent memory. I know they've either been TKO'd or submitted but it's been ages.)

I'm only giving GSP credit because he isn't getting enough. Win, lose or draw, he came to fight Saturday night and he took some big shots from Hendricks and kept moving forward. I remember people questioning his heart and how he handles adversity leading up to the Condit fight...He's proven in spades how he handles adversity. He's also been coming to fight recently. In is last 3 fights hes taken what like 50 percent of his career total in hits? Whether he's trying to be more aggressive, it's a result of his surgery or just father time, who knows. All I know is amidst the judging controversy, people are giving him way too much flak. Not you of course but I've seen some people saying things like he's a "deadbeat", he's a "fake champion", he isn't the best, etc. But in MMA, to fans you are only as good as your last fight.

 

Personally, I'd like to see GSP retire and relinquish the belt. He's obviously lost a step in his game and Joe Rogan was right in a recent interview. The guy is losing track of events, forgetting how he got home, forgetting what happened in his fight. For his health he should slow it down. He's been in the UFC for years now and has gone through many battles.

 

Fight I want to see next: Rory MacDonald Vs Nick Diaz despite Diaz is retired.

 

GSP is also getting hurt because fighters know he plays it safe and they use it against him. When you know that you're not at risk of getting KO'ed, you risk more and throw more recklessly. Eventually, you connect. And you connect HARD. That's why he's taken so much damage in his last few fights. He's got money to spare and there is no clear cut contender in the WW division right now for him to fight, barring perhaps a surging Robbie Lawler. Maybe he's waiting for Weidman vs Silva to retire on a super fight? It's all a big mess and who knows what really is going on on George's mind.

 

Rory needs to leave Tri-star ASAP, he's supremely gifted but seemingly lost his fire after the Che Mills fight. He didn't finish BJ when he easily could, he edged past Jake Ellenberger and lost a winnable fight by wasting a round being passive. As for

a future fight, I would put him in against Martin Kampmann or Erick Silva.

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[D. S. Veteran]

 

BLASPHEMY!

 

[Rappy Veteran]

Yeah and Ronda would have a few words about that as well, I say triple threat in the cage?... :shifty:

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Details emerge in lawsuit by ex-GSP manager

 

Uh-oh... :o GSP is in some serious (financial) trouble. He won't go broke but... it would be tragic if he ended up like Manny.

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^^

Christ :|

[D. S. Veteran]

^^

Christ :|

 

GSP's future hinges on the UFC 167 PPV buy rate.

[Colin.B]

GSP is also getting hurt because fighters know he plays it safe and they use it against him. When you know that you're not at risk of getting KO'ed, you risk more and throw more recklessly. Eventually, you connect. And you connect HARD. That's why he's taken so much damage in his last few fights. 

I don;t know if I completely agree with that. GSP hasn't been playing it as safe as he used to. He's been more aggressive in his past few fights and comes to fight a bit more. Of course you are right about his KO power. Judging by Hendricks' reaction to getting hit by GSP he hits hard enough to make you want to back up but not hard enough where you think "######. One more of those and I'm going down." But this is just based off of facial expressions haha.

[D. S. Veteran]

I don;t know if I completely agree with that. GSP hasn't been playing it as safe as he used to. He's been more aggressive in his past few fights and comes to fight a bit more. Of course you are right about his KO power. Judging by Hendricks' reaction to getting hit by GSP he hits hard enough to make you want to back up but not hard enough where you think "****. One more of those and I'm going down." But this is just based off of facial expressions haha.

 

I think the turning point is the Jake Shields fight. He beat down Thiago Alves, almost submitted Dan Hardy a couple of times, destroyed Josh Koscheck's face. But against Shields, he just jabbed. He was the much superior striker and he just jabbed away, never throwing anything the put his lights out. Jake Ellenberger fights him and puts Shields' lights out in one punch.

 

After that fight, something changed, either in him or Tri-star, and his stats being to decline. Condit hit him, Diaz hit him, and Hendricks hit him a lot. We can also look at Rory for some comparison. Rory is starting to lose fights because of the same thing and he trains pretty much like GSP does. They just don't strike me as "hungry". I'm even starting to think that an 100% fit Ben Askren could steal a decision here.

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Chinz? Machida, the "older and worse" Machida (much like BJ's older brother), knocks some poor 4-3 fighter out with a brutal knee.

[MightyJordan]

Chinz? Machida, the "older and worse" Machida (much like BJ's older brother), knocks some poor 4-3 fighter out with a brutal knee.

Found the video...

 

(it's at 35 seconds)

[D. S. Veteran]

Found the video...

 

(it's at 35 seconds)

 

Pat Miletich saying "Nastiest knee I've seen in my life" :rolleyes:

 

So I guess he never saw Aldo vs Swanson at WEC 41 then?

 

[D. S. Veteran]

Johny Hendricks: Thin hand wraps led to throwing at '70 percent'

 

I wish Hendricks would stop with this, it ends diminishing what he achieved in the cage. You could've just asked them to redo the wraps. Cub Swanson, who regularly breaks his hands from punching too hard, only lets Stich wrap his hands. You could've done that. It would be no big deal.

 

Also, vote for who you want on the cover of EA's MMA game. Since Bones is already confirmed to be on the cover, please vote for Bjornes, aka, Gustafsson for a perfect LHW pairing.

 

http://www.ufc.com/covervote

[D. S. Veteran]

 

SATURDAY!

 

2 questions come to mind: Did anyone follow the TUF season? Does that demographic overlap with the people that saw Miesha's bikini pics on Twitter? :p

[D. S. Veteran]

Here is the full card. Surprised that Shayna Baszler didn't get picked up for a Finale fight. She did lose in the house but she's experienced enough to be a welcome addition to the 135 weight class.

 

Facebook & UFC.tv
Josh Sampo* vs. Ryan Benoit

 

Undercard on FOX Sports 1

Sean Spencer vs. Drew Dober

Jared Rosholt vs. Walt Harris

Rani Yahya vs. Tom Niinimaki

Akira Corassani vs. Maximo Blanco

 

Main Card on FOX Sports 1

Roxanne Modafferi vs. Raquel Pennington

Jessamyn Duke vs. Peggy Morgan

Chris Holdsworth vs. David Grant

Juianna Pena vs. Jessica Rakoczy

Gray Maynard vs. Nate Diaz

 

*Sampo didn't make weight and forfeited 10% of his purse.

[D. S. Veteran]

Josh Sampo vs. Ryan Benoit won FOTN and despite Sampo winning, Benoit picked up both halves of the FOTN bonus money because Sampo missed weight.

 

A Flyweight making his UFC debut on the Facebook portion of a free card just went home 100k richer for a fight that he lost by submission :woot: Completely bananas.

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Benoit you say? :o

I missed the event :(

[D. S. Veteran]

Benoit you say? :o

I missed the event :(

 

Shhhhh, don't let Vince hear you :shifty:

 

Honestly, it was nothing to write home about. The Main Even delivered, but the rest of fights were either maulings or razor thin decisions. I enjoyed the WMMA action, but it certainly wasn't a must see card. And it also suffered from terrible pacing if you watched it live. It only had 10 fights but the same time allotted as a 13 fight event.

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Jessamyn Duke is something special :wub:

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Herb Dean to ref UFC 168?s Weidman-Silva II main event, judges assigned

http://mmajunkie.com/2013/12/herb-dean-to-ref-ufc-168s-weidman-silva-ii-main-event-judges-assigned/