Opera 11.00 Beta 1

[Mike]

I really don't understand the gripes about the context menu. maybe it doesn't look exactly like the windows one. but it's not slower, and it's not like you really notice, unless you're looking for "faults"

It looks like the .NET menus, which also look crap

[Denis W. Veteran]

I've always thought that because Opera uses custom code to highlight the menu icons and the item itself, Windows automatically draws the classic menu when this is the case. (similar to how IIRC older apps that used ICOs as menu icons instead of PNGs would get the classic menus)

[Ji@nBing]

They could use colors on a more subtle way possibly. Like when you have a group of tabs, the transparent box around it could be have a slightly transparent color to it.

How about something like this? I'm using a custom skin. It ads a strip of color to the top of both the focused tab(red), and unread background tab(green). It's subtle enough and could easily be adopted to tab groups, adding more colors of course.

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[Quillz]

Hmm... So the status bar does still take pixels away from the content. I'd like an option for it to be similar to Chrome or even Firefox 4. It doesn't take away a lot of pixels, but I would still prefer to conserve as many as possible.

[JOHW]

Argh, why must they change the graphical implementation of Pinning tabs to the Chrome way. I hate that =\

I hope they come with an option to choose between the two implementations..

[Quillz]

Is there a way to speed up the Win7-style tab hover preview? It's useful when dealing with stacked tabs but seems a little slow.

[Denis W. Veteran]

Opera handles stack overflows just fine:

(and yes, pun/nerdy joke intended. :p)

[ViperAFK]

Nice way of handling the overflow in the preview :). After seeing that I definitely foresee some automatic grouping when the tab bar is full in the future, because people have been requesting some kind of tab overflow for ages.

[Denis W. Veteran]

Something like XP/Vista's automatic taskbar button grouping, or Windows 7's 'combine when full' option would be nice.

[GreenMartian]

Gah, I seem to be affected by a bug plaguing some of the older builds - tabs cycling in the wrong order. Rolling back to last build before beta fixed it.

I want my tab grouping!! :angry:

[Mr. Gibs]

Gah, I seem to be affected by a bug plaguing some of the older builds - tabs cycling in the wrong order. Rolling back to last build before beta fixed it.

I want my tab grouping!! :angry:

Mine cycles fine using ctrl-tab :/

[Nagisan]

Gah, I seem to be affected by a bug plaguing some of the older builds - tabs cycling in the wrong order. Rolling back to last build before beta fixed it.

I want my tab grouping!! :angry:

I don't remember that happening in older builds, but I did notice similar behavior with tab grouping and single-key shortcuts....

[-KJ]

Well I just learned that the gesture sensitivity is more strict now in the sense that the gestures have to be done pretty darn straight horizontal or vertical.

No wonder why my gestures haven't been working half the time ever since they implemented the gesture UI (I right-click drag right on a link to open in a background tab).

I would consider this a bug by design. I mean there's no reason to change it unless it was done to compliment the new gesture UI.

I turned off the gesture UI but it's still stubborn about the gestures.

[ViperAFK]

I've actually noticed gestures being touchy since before the new gesture UI.

I guess its good that its harder to accidentally do a gesture, but sometimes I do end up having to do it twice to work. They have to find the perfect line between accidental gestures and easy to do gestures.

[GreenMartian]

I don't remember that happening in older builds, but I did notice similar behavior with tab grouping and single-key shortcuts....

It was in a couple builds, then [this] build fixed it.

DSK-310631 Tab cycle order wrong if 'When cycling through tabs with Ctrl+Tab' is set to 'cycle without showing list'

Somehow it's rearing its ugly head again now in the Beta. Happens on Ctrl+Tab and single key shortcuts.

[Nagisan]

It was in a couple builds, then [this] build fixed it.

DSK-310631 Tab cycle order wrong if 'When cycling through tabs with Ctrl+Tab' is set to 'cycle without showing list'

Somehow it's rearing its ugly head again now in the Beta. Happens on Ctrl+Tab and single key shortcuts.

Ah, I have never used Ctrl+Tab so I never noticed it when it happened on that method only. Something that will definitely stop me from using 11 if it gets released with that bug (doubt it will though).

[Mr. Gibs]

It was in a couple builds, then [this] build fixed it.

DSK-310631 Tab cycle order wrong if 'When cycling through tabs with Ctrl+Tab' is set to 'cycle without showing list'

Somehow it's rearing its ugly head again now in the Beta. Happens on Ctrl+Tab and single key shortcuts.

I have the exact same setting :/ Ctrl+tabs fine.

Interesting. Maybe it was an upgrade gone bad?

[ViperAFK]

its probably just a regression.

[GreenMartian]

its probably just a regression.

Hope they do a quick patch before officially announcing the beta :p

[ArKeYa]

Does the status bar now "float" over content like it does in Chrome, or does it still waste several vertical pixels by having its own dedicated area?

It can do both. A static status bar or an autohide status bar, but doesn't pop up when you hover a link.

There is still a static statusbar and I don't see that changing anytime soon given the amount of stuff Opera puts down there. You can hide it and install an extension that draws a statusbar on the page itself, but it doesn't work with all sites (such as this forum).

No extension needed. It's autohide and works with Neowin too.

I forgot how I did it, happens quite often. I just happen to stumble upon it, apply it, then forget it. :blink:

edit: Turned out it isn't really a status bar. :laugh: Go to Appearance/Toolbars set Progress Bar to Pop-up at bottom.

[psreloaded]

It amazes me to see how they have put in so many things in such a small size. if they hit it right this time they will have a sizable market share.

[wellofsouls]

Auto stacking should be possible. IE already groups together sites from the same domain using a random colour. (I think that colouring looks tacky though.)

QQ browser actually had an auto-stacking feature since more than half a year ago.

It even has Aero Peek support

Of course being Chinese only, it's not known by most people outside China.

[Quillz]

The panels on Mac OS X seem a little buggy. Specifically, if you hide the status bar, then the panel sidebar has an odd thick bottom that isn't on the Windows version.

Also, it uses a highly non-standard scroll bar...

Lastly, does anyone know why Opera Sync keeps bringing back bookmarks that I've deleted? I deleted about 10 bookmarks I don't need anymore, yet they always come back, as well as any folders that I delete. This is incredibly annoying and I don't know why it's doing this, no other bookmark sync service has this issue. Do I have to delete things through My Opera or something? It even adds bookmarks for things like eBay and Kayak that I've never added on my own.

[Sub_Zero_Alchemist]

Now Opera 11 Beta 1 is officially out.

http://www.opera.com/browser/next/

http://www.opera.com...ses/2010/11/23/

[HawkMan]

The panels on Mac OS X seem a little buggy. Specifically, if you hide the status bar, then the panel sidebar has an odd thick bottom that isn't on the Windows version.

Also, it uses a highly non-standard scroll bar...

Lastly, does anyone know why Opera Sync keeps bringing back bookmarks that I've deleted? I deleted about 10 bookmarks I don't need anymore, yet they always come back, as well as any folders that I delete. This is incredibly annoying and I don't know why it's doing this, no other bookmark sync service has this issue. Do I have to delete things through My Opera or something? It even adds bookmarks for things like eBay and Kayak that I've never added on my own.

It's probably failing to do the sync when you close the browser, possibly because you close it only when doing an upgrade, and when you do an upgrade they add those annoying default bookmarks back in all the time.