Opera 11.00 Beta 1

[ViperAFK]

Fridge

widgets

unite

web server

bit torrent client

All of the above are not needed in a web browser. I don't care that they use zero resources. I care that they take up a place on the screen/menus/config on a fresh install and they have options that I can mess with. I don't want to see them at any point.

Unite is hardly a bad idea, I use it frequently to steam music to my laptop from my desktop when I am not at home, I like its media player far better than applications like orb. Just because you don't use it does not make it a bad idea.

The bittorrent client does kind of suck but it is a sensible feature to have in a web browser.

I don't use widgets myself, but they certainly don't bother you if you don't use them, and certainly not a "bad idea"

and Fridge and web server are all part of unite I believe...

I care that they take up a place on the screen/menus/config on a fresh install and they have options that I can mess with. I don't want to see them at any point.

You are just being silly here. When you are not using them they really don't take up much menu space (just 3 entries in the main opera menu, chat, unite, widgets) everything else is in the panel which is hidden, and the panel has plenty of space for them so removing them would be pointless.

[ArKeYa]

Fridge

widgets

unite

web server

bit torrent client

All of the above are not needed in a web browser. I don't care that they use zero resources. I care that they take up a place on the screen/menus/config on a fresh install and they have options that I can mess with. I don't want to see them at any point.

Then don't? You're being petty. Opera have done a great job of making such features unobtrusive, not use resources when not in use. You don't expect them to remove all of those for you when others have no problem with it, do you?

Just as there is at least one person that finds Unite useful and another that have a widget that indispensable to him.

[.Neo]

The bittorrent client does kind of suck but it is a sensible feature to have in a web browser.

Really, it's not. It's why I already have a perfectly fine bittorrent client that does a much better job at things than Opera's build-in system.

I don't use widgets myself, but they certainly don't bother you if you don't use them, and certainly not a "bad idea"

In my opinion widgets is a useless feature in a browser, and thus a bad idea, because they're copying basic functionality already present in both Mac OS X and Windows. I don't need yet another system doing basically the same thing.

Honestly, I don't get why we need one application to do like 800 different things. Personally I'm a huge fan of Apple's "one app, one task" approach in Mac OS X. With the exception of iTunes.

[Nagisan]

Really, it's not. It's why I already have a perfectly fine bittorrent client that does a much better job at things than Opera's build-in system.

To an experienced user, the Opera bittorrent client sucks. To an inexperienced user, Opera is the only browser that can "properly" download .torrent files.

Granted, most inexperienced users will not be downloading torrent files, it does offer them the ability to download that file without needing additional software. Most inexperienced people think of Internet Explorer (and the like) as being "the Internet". If they attempt to download a .torrent file thinking its some piece of software they want to use, then their "internet" is not working properly because they won't be able to open the file. Opera offers inexperienced users a way around that by downloading the files the way a torrent client would.

In terms of a torrent client, Opera sucks, but it does allow less experienced users a way to download torrents without being too difficult (my father, for example, loves Opera because it can download torrents for him without him needing another program).

[lnmnky]

Unite is hardly a bad idea, I use it frequently to steam music to my laptop from my desktop when I am not at home, I like its media player far better than applications like orb. Just because you don't use it does not make it a bad idea.

The bittorrent client does kind of suck but it is a sensible feature to have in a web browser.

I don't use widgets myself, but they certainly don't bother you if you don't use them, and certainly not a "bad idea"

and Fridge and web server are all part of unite I believe...

You are just being silly here. When you are not using them they really don't take up much menu space (just 3 entries in the main opera menu, chat, unite, widgets) everything else is in the panel which is hidden, and the panel has plenty of space for them so removing them would be pointless.

The features themselves are perfectly applicable to some users. But they shouldn't be in a web browser.

When Opera were thinking of new features, why did media player and file server end up on the agreed list? I understand the logic of the Bittorrent client, it makes for a seemless web.

I know there don't take up much space or resources, but they take up _some_ space. They are there in the panel and I have to hide the icon. (If it's so useful to anyone then _they_ should turn it _on_.

What's the cut off point for features in Opera? I could think off loads of apps as valid as Media Player and Fridge.

Text editor

Task list

Sync / back up files

FTP client

Text to Speech

Flickr browser

Media Converter and youtube uploader

Podcast downloader / RSS getter

[HawkMan]

all those apps are actually html based, even the widgets, which is why they are valid for a web browser.

and it has text to speech.

[wellofsouls]

I don't think so. Usually by a beta release, there are some signs of any major UI changes.

well, Opera 9.5 did only reveal a new UI by a latter RC release, only days before the final.

[ViperAFK]

The features themselves are perfectly applicable to some users. But they shouldn't be in a web browser.

When Opera were thinking of new features, why did media player and file server end up on the agreed list? I understand the logic of the Bittorrent client, it makes for a seemless web.

I know there don't take up much space or resources, but they take up _some_ space. They are there in the panel and I have to hide the icon. (If it's so useful to anyone then _they_ should turn it _on_.

What's the cut off point for features in Opera? I could think off loads of apps as valid as Media Player and Fridge.

Text editor

Task list

Sync / back up files

FTP client

Text to Speech

Flickr browser

Media Converter and youtube uploader

Podcast downloader / RSS getter

Your argument amounts to nothing besides your personal opinion that the features "shouldn't be in a web browser", like they some how hurt usage when you aren't using them, when they really don't.

I would understand your argument if opera was all in your face about these more niche features (say if you opened you browser and said ZOMG TRY OPERA UNITE) opera does a good job at including these features while making them easily accessible to people who use them and not bothersome to people who don't.

[~Johnny]

The features themselves are perfectly applicable to some users. But they shouldn't be in a web browser.

When Opera were thinking of new features, why did media player and file server end up on the agreed list? I understand the logic of the Bittorrent client, it makes for a seemless web

Media Player & File Server aren't even included in Opera 11. You'll only get them if you actually launch the Unite UI, at which point it'll download them seperately.

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[lnmnky]

Your argument amounts to nothing besides your personal opinion that the features "shouldn't be in a web browser", like they some how hurt usage when you aren't using them, when they really don't.

I would understand your argument if opera was all in your face about these more niche features (say if you opened you browser and said ZOMG TRY OPERA UNITE) opera does a good job at including these features while making them easily accessible to people who use them and not bothersome to people who don't.

Good points. You're starting to convince me that I'm just looking for problems :yes:

[Knife Party]

as soon as beta 2 hits, might try this on ubuntu :)

[~Johnny]

as soon as beta 2 hits, might try this on ubuntu :)

Why wait for BETA 2? It only takes less than 30 seconds to visit the site, download it and install it :p

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[PreKe]

All of the above are not needed in a web browser. I don't care that they use zero resources. I care that they take up a place on the screen/menus/config on a fresh install and they have options that I can mess with. I don't want to see them at any point.

You shouldn't care that things that don't affect you are there. Now you are just irrationally obsessing over things that don't affect you at all.

Another problem with your comments on the matter is that they are based on your own lack of knowledge of Opera's strategies. You are narrowly focusing on Opera as just a desktop browser, but Opera is in fact a cross-platform browser. Widgets, for example, are hugely important to Opera, and are bringing in a lot of revenue. Widgets need to be available on all platforms Opera is available on because they are an important part of Opera's long-term strategy.

Finally, listing Unite apps? Really?! They are just examples, and again, don't affect you at all.

In my opinion widgets is a useless feature in a browser, and thus a bad idea, because they're copying basic functionality already present in both Mac OS X and Windows. I don't need yet another system doing basically the same thing.

You, too, seem to ignore Opera's strategy and position as a cross-platform browser, and so you ignore their strategy, and the fact that widgets are part of Opera's push (along with Vodafone and other huge corporations) for a truly cross-platform application environment using open web standards.

You think small and narrow. Opera and others think big, and years into the future. That's why you simply can't understand why these things you hate are actually important when you look at the big picture.

[Denis W. Veteran]

im loving this beta :D

but im not sure if i love the idea of pinning tabs. At first i liked it because it seemed like a useful way to replace bookmarks toolbar in firefox, but it doesnt work that way cuz the tabs are "alive", So if you pin a tab that has a site with something like a video stream ,or whatever running in it,... its gonna be doing exactly that.

I checked out what Smart Bookmarks Bar did.

You can't really do the equivalent in Opera. The closest you can get is right clicking on the bookmarks bar, select Appearance, then go to Style and select Images Only. Then to see the title you have to scrub the icons and look at what it says in the Status Bar. It's not the most elegant solution though...

Edit: This might be an alternative. Open a site that you want bookmarked, then start dragging its tab, hold down SHIFT, and then drop it anywhere on the navigation bar (i.e. to the left of the address bar). It'll appear as a toolbar button that can act as a bookmark; its title will appear on mouse over.