Opera 11.00 Beta 1

[Quillz]

I close the browser on a regular basis, regardless of whether or not I'm installing an upgrade or not. It just strikes me as buggy, especially how they keep installing bookmarks that I do not want.

[+Frank B. Subscriber²]

To all those of you complaining about bugs in the first beta of a web browser: Please remind yourself of the original meaning of beta. There will be bugs, newly introduced features like tab stacking are likely not yet completed. Report all bugs and hope for Opera to fix them during the beta cycle.

Personally, I won't switch to Opera, but I will admit that 11b1 has some nifty features which I hope will find their way into other browsers.

[Denis W. Veteran]

The panels on Mac OS X seem a little buggy. Specifically, if you hide the status bar, then the panel sidebar has an odd thick bottom that isn't on the Windows version.

Also, it uses a highly non-standard scroll bar...

Want an example of how bad non-standard widgets can look? Try this from a mere three years ago:

[Quillz]

The widgets are much better, but that scroll bar is just very out of place. Wasn't it more effort to actually use a custom scroll bar rather than the Aqua standard one?

[.Neo]

To all those of you complaining about bugs in the first beta of a web browser: Please remind yourself of the original meaning of beta. There will be bugs, newly introduced features like tab stacking are likely not yet completed. Report all bugs and hope for Opera to fix them during the beta cycle.

Personally, I won't switch to Opera, but I will admit that 11b1 has some nifty features which I hope will find their way into other browsers.

I have no hopes for a less quirky and much more standard interface on Mac OS X.

[resol612]

odd, people complaining about how apps don't conform to Mac themes but gladly let Apple off for desecrating the Windows themes with their sub-par ports

[-KJ]

nvm

[Malisk]

The widgets are much better, but that scroll bar is just very out of place. Wasn't it more effort to actually use a custom scroll bar rather than the Aqua standard one?

The entire UI on both Windows and Mac is custom, unfortunately. They're just emulating it really well in most cases. But not as well in others. Scrollbars, buttons, dialog boxes, you name it. It's building on Cocoa on Mac though, but the UI widgets are all custom. I just recently saw another problem due to this -- the font setting list box in the preferences on Mac had repaint issues here. That would never have happened if they used the actual OS X widgets. Also, on Windows, you can see that the scroll bar has no context menu, and that the Aero-lookalike buttons don't actually fade into their hover state when hovered on... It's all small signs of being completely emulated besides for the window frames.

[ViperAFK]

Found out how to make the mouse gestures less strict :)

opera:config#UserPrefs|GestureThreshold

[Denis W. Veteran]

Looks like they're having fun with marketing:

http://www.opera.com/?display=myopera

http://www.opera.com/community/

http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/eadq7/iama_person_with_zero_creative_talent_ill_draw/c16ln1w

[ViperAFK]

LOL @ the reddit comments.

"Opera Software - I'll let you know once it's its up."

"We are live:

Front page: http://www.opera.com/?display=myopera

Community page: http://www.opera.com/community/

Thanks - this is awesome."

"What the **** just happened?"

[Nagisan]

Seems to be the most effective Opera marketing campaign yet, why hasn't Opera done this until now? :p

[Buendia]

I'm using it now.

It's pretty good, and stable so far :)

[ViperAFK]

posted a thread with some tab stack ideas in the desktop wishlist:

http://my.opera.com/community/forums/topic.dml?id=816122

[Quillz]

The tab bar on the side needs some work, it doesn't look too good.

Also, are they going to address being able to have more than one stack extended? I don't like that I'm forced to only keep one expanded at all times.

[.Neo]

Both Opera 10 and 11 beta 1 seem a bit sluggish to launch compared to Safari. Anyway to fix that?

odd, people complaining about how apps don't conform to Mac themes but gladly let Apple off for desecrating the Windows themes with their sub-par ports

Gotta love the rhetoric of some people... Using your logic: Why should Apple care about their Windows applications if not even Microsoft themselves can be bothered to bring a remotely unified user experience to their operating system and applications?

[thenaes]

This has a lot of potential. I am very excited for Opera 11. If the adblock extension becomes as good as the Firefox one, count me in as having Opera as my main browser.

[Mr. Gibs]

Using your logic: Why should Apple care about their Windows applications if not even Microsoft themselves can be bothered to bring a remotely unified user experience to their operating system and applications?

I think the poor horse has been beaten to death already about this...

1. Office uses the Ribbon interface because it makes productivity a lot better. A lot of Windows applications do not require them, but the ones that can benefit from it already use it.

2. Windows live applications (well pretty much WLM really, since the others use the ribbon) use the WL theme because it fits in with that suite of product and their web designs for it.

3. Zune player uses a Metro style design because thats what the Zune is about.

4. IE fits in relatively well into Windows. 9 does look a bit odd though.

5. WMP12 fits in perfectly and I would gladly use it over the Zune player if MS allowed syncing using it...

I don't get the whole fascination with every product having to look exactly alike, I just don't. As long as it looks like a good Windows application it's fine by me. Now iTunes on Windows looks exactly like a Mac application (Safari does better though). Adobe's products also look quite out of place..but then they're adobe.

[Mike]

To all those of you complaining about bugs in the first beta of a web browser: Please remind yourself of the original meaning of beta. There will be bugs, newly introduced features like tab stacking are likely not yet completed. Report all bugs and hope for Opera to fix them during the beta cycle.

Personally, I won't switch to Opera, but I will admit that 11b1 has some nifty features which I hope will find their way into other browsers.

I'm ignoring the obvious bugs in the tab stacks because it's a new feature but bugs that have been in existence for some time and then fixed for a while then break again aren't a good sign. We know Opera have multiple branches of code and work on features / bug fixes separate to what they release so it points to bad source code management when bugs get unfixed.

[ViperAFK]

Regressions occasionally happen with any piece of software.

[EL1TE]

Is there any way to import Passwords from Firefox?

[ViperAFK]

Is there any way to import Passwords from Firefox?

No afaik.

[EL1TE]

No afaik.

Ok thanks. But that sucks, Chrome can do it.

[red.]

posted a thread with some tab stack ideas in the desktop wishlist:

http://my.opera.com/community/forums/topic.dml?id=816122

I really like some of those suggestions in that thread.

[.Neo]

I think the poor horse has been beaten to death already about this...

In my opinion not every application needs to look 100% the same as long as they fit in with the OS and have that proper feel to it. The Zune software, while performing somewhat better, is in my opinion just as worse as iTunes is especially because it's an application is written by Microsoft. While person X might prefer Zune over iTunes or visa versa doesn't change the fact both interfaces have absolutely nothing to do with Windows Aero, regardless what spin you give it.

Also, you have to put my post in context to the one by resol612. If I can't complain about Opera having a horribly out of place feel to it on Mac OS X because of Apple's design of iTunes for Windows, I don't want to hear anything about iTunes for Windows either since Microsoft isn't much better (on either Mac or PC).