is XP SP3 still a good OS for today's computing?

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Kpssst

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What if the person only checks their email and occasionally writes up a letter in MSWord? Do they need to get a new computer?

You gave the situation as described: the person has the computer you described and is asking what OS they should upgrade to.

In this case: yes, I would suggest they buy a new computer. I would definitely not recommend buying XP (or even 7) and installing that on the computer. In the extreme case you gave, if the person was willing to spend the money to upgrade the OS, then they might as well buy a new computer.

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Businesses that chose to continue to use older software will get their sharp slap in the face, but that's not your worry. Microsoft has done what it can, but eventually, just like IE6, XP will finally come to an end.

How will they get a slap in the face? I know several businesses that run XP and none of them are fully updated. They are behind a router firewall and they run antivirus. I did a few scans and they appear clean. They just check their mail and go to major sites, so I doubt they'll have any problems. They can't afford to update and I don't see why they should. What they have works for them.

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You gave the situation as described: the person has the computer you described and is asking what OS they should upgrade to.

In this case: yes, I would suggest they buy a new computer. I would definitely not recommend buying XP (or even 7) and installing that on the computer. In the extreme case you gave, if the person was willing to spend the money to upgrade the OS, then they might as well buy a new computer.

and why do they need a new computer? Why does everybody always need something new? I personally buy new OSs and new hardware because with the way I use my computer, it is extremely beneficial for me to keep up with current tech. However, not everyone has this need.

All this talk of how badly XP users are gonna be kicked in the rump come end-of-support is just silly. An OS doesn't magically self-destruct at 12:00 am on a certain day. If XP works for their current needs, and those needs don't change in the next 3 years, then why does their computer need to?

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Brandon

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NO- I got a brand new laptop from work in December with a Core i5, 2GB of RAM, 250GB 7200RPM drive and they have XP SP3 on it.

It crashes a lot when trying to use multiple programs and it just feels so much slower than even the basic Core 2 Duo PCs we have at school.

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notuptome2004

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NO- I got a brand new laptop from work in December with a Core i5, 2GB of RAM, 250GB 7200RPM drive and they have XP SP3 on it.

It crashes a lot when trying to use multiple programs and it just feels so much slower than even the basic Core 2 Duo PCs we have at school.

Tell them, the damn thing is not meant for windows XP at all and it crashes and has issues that is was made and designed for windows 7

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Ci7

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Processors are not designed for specific operating systems. :rolleyes:

he got it backward , but his point still stand

i renumber when i got my first Core 2 PC ,late 2006

guess what? had random crush/BSOD running XP SP2 ,all drivers were up to date

upgraded to vista , problem solved

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alisalem

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Processors are not designed for specific operating systems. :rolleyes:

OSes however are designed to support certain types I believe.

When I first bought an AMD X2 3800+, I had to install that dual core optimizer driver by AMD to make it work properly.

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Subject Delta

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What if the person only checks their email and occasionally writes up a letter in MSWord? Do they need to get a new computer?

Nope. But Microsoft still isn't required to support them indefinitely either. I'd wager I could put together a computer capable of running Windows 7 comfortably, with Aero, for about ?100, and they would be eligible for an upgrade license as well. It's not always as expensive to upgrade as people make out.

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Frylock86

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I thought GDI was software based, and Aero was hardware accelerated? That video says GDI is hardware accelerated?

Also, just like your other video, who sits there moving the scroll bar up and down for several seconds?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graphics_Device_Interface

This wiki article pretty much kills False's video.

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Seizure1990

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Nope. But Microsoft still isn't required to support them indefinitely either. I'd wager I could put together a computer capable of running Windows 7 comfortably, with Aero, for about ?100, and they would be eligible for an upgrade license as well. It's not always as expensive to upgrade as people make out.

Where did I say MS had to support them? If anything, my point has been that support is more or less irrelevant if you're the type of person to be using a decade-old OS anyways.

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redvamp128

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The only "slowness" I found with Windows 7 is when the following happens.

1. The first 24 hours of use (I think it is the index working)

2. Shortly after a reboot due to updates installing.

Other than that- I don't see any slow downs at all save for the following- which is not really a Windows 7 issue.

I have a USB 1TB drive and a Wireless dongle -- those two items through disconnecting them have found that they add about 1 min 30 seconds to the boot time to usable desktop.

-- On the same note --

When the same drive is hooked up to the XP laptop- it only adds about 1 min of boot time.

XPSP3 is good only if you have limited resources and an older computer.

Though-- I have actually thought about trying 7 on the laptop.

Dell Inspirion B130 with 1.8ghz Pentium M with a 160gb hard drive and 1 gig of memory.

Any thoughts -- It says it is Vista Capable -

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Dell Inspirion B130 with 1.8ghz Pentium M with a 160gb hard drive and 1 gig of memory.

Any thoughts -- It says it is Vista Capable -

Should run just fine on it, assuming you have Windows 7 compatible drivers available. (Check first! Dont get caught surprised after the fact.. chances are you do though since it's Vista capable.) I have 7 running on an old old tablet with 512MB (indexing disabled because the hard drive is a slow POS too), granted a bit swap heavy, but hey with 512MB so was XP. My daughter's rig is an old Sony Vaio I pieced together that only has 1GB and it runs her stuff just fine under 7. (Frankly, a bit smoother than XP overall.) Personally, just in case you don't like how it works out though, keep a copy of XP handy. It'll definitely run smoother than Vista with only 1GB though.. but since you're experimenting, keep yourself an "out" handy, in case you don't like the results. As long as you go in with realistic expectations (no, it won't play Crysis) it should work out just fine assuming everything has drivers available.

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notuptome2004

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Processors are not designed for specific operating systems. :rolleyes:

wrong there cause Windows 7 was designed for intel core i7 series and i chips because they re-incorporated HT that is why if you compare XP to 7 with Ht enabled if you dare install XP on a core i7 if your able to XP is slower with HT while windows 7 is faster .

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notuptome2004

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He said CPUs arent designed for OSs. You just argued that OSs are designed for CPUs.

Also, HT has been around since way before 7 came out.

ok yes but when intel introduced Hyper-threading in the Pentium 4 Prescott chips under windows XP witch required a update anyways well made windows XP slower in most cases most programs were slower even some designed for HT witch is why HT was not present in the Core 2 duu or quad chips but re-introduced back in the Core i chips . while Microsoft took aprt and threw away the CPU scheduler that was in windows since windows 2000 and built it up redesigned how it worked with new chips and made it better for multi-core use.

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Intel-CPU-Windows-7-Optimizations,8337.html

http://channel9.msdn.com/Shows/Going+Deep/Dave-Probert-Inside-Windows-7-User-Mode-Scheduler-UMS

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Udedenkz

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THIS THIS THIS.

Happens on,

Windows 7 x86_64 (Beta to Final Ultimate)

Intel Core 2 Duo T8300 @ 2.4Ghz

4GB DDR2

NVIDIA 8600M GT

Windows 7 x86_32 Home Premium and Windows 7 x86_32 Professional and Windows 7 Professional x86_32 SP1

Intel Atom N270 @ 1.6Ghz

2GB DDR3

NVIDIA ION

Windows 7 x86_64 Home Premium and Windows 7 x86_64 Professional and Windows 7 x86_64 SP1 Professional

AMD Athlon II P340 @ 2.2Ghz

3GB DDR3 (I think it is DDR3... >.>)

ATi Radeon 4250 Mobile

If you follow the steps in the video, you will reproduce this 100% of the time.

EDIT: You are free to argue that all my systems are NOT made for Windows 7 and that is why Explorer is acting like an unoptimized piece of ****.

I thought GDI was software based, and Aero was hardware accelerated? That video says GDI is hardware accelerated?

Also, just like your other video, who sits there moving the scroll bar up and down for several seconds?

Scrolling is what you do when you want to view the contents of a folder.

All it takes is for you to notice the stuttering and you would notice the CPU spiking from scrolling.

This is unbearable on my netbook.

Just try to install Windows XP without installing any graphic drivers. You will see the interface drawing itself.

Now install XP drivers. Notice that the interface is instant now.

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Frylock86

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If that's the only case you have against 7, I just want to say that since installing Vista, I've never had to scroll through the UI like that. The new search feature makes that mundane and wasteful.

If you're doing endless amounts of scrolling (I can't see why anyone would), maybe it's time to start utilizing that search bar you see in the start menu.

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Udedenkz

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Yes I just search for 1249790513596519.jpg in my Funny Images folder because I remeber it is a funny ragecomic I downloaded from 4chan...

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Check my sig, and all my windows 7 machines run like a bat out of hell, you must be having some hardware issues, check everything inside your machines.

My netbook can run Oblivion and Fallout 3 but cannot scroll smoothly explorer and WMP music lists.

In other words, no I don't have any hardware issues.

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