what Posted May 9, 2011 Share Posted May 9, 2011 No - you complain about moderation issues without knowing all the details which led to warns/bans or without knowing how exactly the system works. It is an entirely different discussion whether or not staff ought to be more transparent to warned/banned members as to the reasoning behind the moderation actions though. The point I'm basically trying to make in the previous post is that the moderation system is for the most part fair. Admittedly some rules seem to have been used inconsistently, which is down to who moderates the channel at the time and is something moderators et al. need to look into. That's the crux of what people in this thread are saying, but in your previous post you said it was making you lol. All evidence so far suggests that a system is there but isn't used consistently - IRC rules state that a verbal warning will be given and action follows if it's ignored. In my last case, I was warned by one person and five minutes later I was banned by another. It seems also that some members of staff are crossing forum warns and IRC warns as being the same system, when previously they were entirely separate - case in point, mail was permabanned from IRC but is still on the forums. Unless I missed the point where they were changed to be the same thing, but I don't believe my warn level on the forums is anything above zero after my warnings on IRC. We should get rid of it and just use IPB Chat *pings Timan* You don't want that. If IPS goes down you lose the chat. Not fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fubar Posted May 9, 2011 Share Posted May 9, 2011 Lay off the booze tbh neobond, we are trying to give you guys feed back here and all i can see is just blatant stone walling, if you cant even see an issue with the IRC moderation then close it and be done with it, stop wasting bandwith and peoples time it looks stupid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b10h4z4rd Posted May 9, 2011 Share Posted May 9, 2011 There is a system just for IRC bans and warnings, it differs from the forums. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fubar Posted May 9, 2011 Share Posted May 9, 2011 There is a system just for IRC bans and warnings, it differs from the forums. SO WHY WAS SAM BANNED FROM THE FORUM WITH 0% WARN!!!! JESUS CHRIST.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven P. Administrators Posted May 9, 2011 Administrators Share Posted May 9, 2011 That's the crux of what people in this thread are saying, but in your previous post you said it was making you lol. All evidence so far suggests that a system is there but isn't used consistently - IRC rules state that a verbal warning will be given and action follows if it's ignored. In my last case, I was warned by one person and five minutes later I was banned by another. It seems also that some members of staff are crossing forum warns and IRC warns as being the same system, when previously they were entirely separate - case in point, mail was permabanned from IRC but is still on the forums. Unless I missed the point where they were changed to be the same thing, but I don't believe my warn level on the forums is anything above zero after my warnings on IRC. We want to merge the IRC and Forum warn system. I really don't see why certain people feel like they can be "in the clear" for being a dick in IRC and get away with still participating in the forums, or even vice-versa? The forum rules aren't that hard to live by, and as I keep saying, it's the ones who continually break them that take up most of our time bitching about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b10h4z4rd Posted May 9, 2011 Share Posted May 9, 2011 The forum warn usually has no bearing on the punishment in IRC. It's the frequency and severity of the infraction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fubar Posted May 9, 2011 Share Posted May 9, 2011 This is a clear Example of how the Right hand Doesnt know what the Left hand is doing, you want to merge the IRC warns and forum warns together thats cool then tell people, until then it hasnt been and both systems are seperate so again why was Sam banned from the forum with 0% warn? I'll say it again since it fell on deaf ears, SORT THE IRC MODDING OUT RATHER THAN DOING IT HALF ARSED Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b10h4z4rd Posted May 9, 2011 Share Posted May 9, 2011 That is between whoever banned Sam and Sam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrCheese Posted May 9, 2011 Share Posted May 9, 2011 That's just silly, IRC is much more flowing and instant, like talking to someone face to face. Rather than a forum that gives the user time to write a reply, re-read it and make modifications before hitting go. To apply the same rules/warning levels and standards ignores that totally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fubar Posted May 9, 2011 Share Posted May 9, 2011 That is between whoever banned Sam and Sam. YOU BANNED SAM !!!! ARE YOU BLOODY SLOW? Sorry but this is so frustrating trying to get anything sorted from you lot... Stone walled again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
what Posted May 9, 2011 Share Posted May 9, 2011 We want to merge the IRC and Forum warn system. I really don't see why certain people feel like they can be "in the clear" for being a dick in IRC and get away with still participating in the forums, or even vice-versa? The forum rules aren't that hard to live by, and as I keep saying, it's the ones who continually break them that take up most of our time bitching about it. Because IRC is a chat room and the forums are a message board. They have different rules and work in different ways. What's safe on one isn't safe on another, etc etc. Do what you please but like Fubar keeps saying, Sam was banned from the forums while only (debatably) being a naughty boy in IRC so you should make your mind up sometime soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b10h4z4rd Posted May 9, 2011 Share Posted May 9, 2011 I only temp banned Sam for several days, I do not have the permissions to permaban anyone from the forum so I did not permaban Sam. If you wish to discuss this further, please PM on IRC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fubar Posted May 9, 2011 Share Posted May 9, 2011 I only temp banned Sam for several days, I do not have the permissions to permaban anyone from the forum so I did not permaban Sam. If you wish to discuss this further, please PM on IRC. Ok then thats fair enough but when you're saying IRC and forum Warnings bans are seperate and you have the owner saying differently then its clear to anyone with a brain that nothing is sorted regarding the modding of IRC... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven P. Administrators Posted May 9, 2011 Administrators Share Posted May 9, 2011 Oops I may have not made that clear enough, we want to merge warn logs with IRC + Forum.. and I do feel that severe enough infractions on IRC should also warrant a forum restriction as well, in many cases this isn't needed, but in some they clearly are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b10h4z4rd Posted May 9, 2011 Share Posted May 9, 2011 We want to merge the IRC and Forum warn system. I really don't see why certain people feel like they can be "in the clear" for being a dick in IRC and get away with still participating in the forums, or even vice-versa? The forum rules aren't that hard to live by, and as I keep saying, it's the ones who continually break them that take up most of our time bitching about it. Ok then thats fair enough but when you're saying IRC and forum Warnings bans are seperate and you have the owner saying differently then its clear to anyone with a brain that nothing is sorted regarding the modding of IRC... Please read the bolded parts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fubar Posted May 9, 2011 Share Posted May 9, 2011 Please read the bolded parts. Please read my posts regarding the moderation of the IRC channel, THERE ARE NO CLEAR RULES OR CONSISTENT MODDING.... Really guys why are you making it out to be so harder than it is? Modding an IRC channel is the easiet thing out of the whole social networking stuff, if you dont know how it works then dont have one.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b10h4z4rd Posted May 9, 2011 Share Posted May 9, 2011 Like I had previously stated, if you want to talk about IRC moderation, please PM me on IRC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
what Posted May 9, 2011 Share Posted May 9, 2011 Oops I may have not made that clear enough, we want to merge warn logs with IRC + Forum.. and I do feel that severe enough infractions on IRC should also warrant a forum restriction as well, in many cases this isn't needed, but in some they clearly are. Well, we can't see our own warn levels so it's for your information if you aren't a regular on IRC. However then you enter into another debate where does someone with 80% warn on the forums who then accidentally posts a NSFW link in IRC get a permaban? Again opening the door for inconsistency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fubar Posted May 9, 2011 Share Posted May 9, 2011 Like I had previously stated, if you want to talk about IRC moderation, please PM me on IRC. Ive used this Thread instead but it's just fallen on deaf ears, please read my posts and take the feed back and discuss it with staff thanks.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gigapixels Veteran Posted May 9, 2011 Veteran Share Posted May 9, 2011 But not every situation is black and white. That's where personal judgment comes in and discussion between staff. Every decision about a (temp-)ban is discussed at length, either on IRC or on the forum and the majority rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven P. Administrators Posted May 9, 2011 Administrators Share Posted May 9, 2011 Please read my posts regarding the moderation of the IRC channel, THERE ARE NO CLEAR RULES OR CONSISTENT MODDING.... Really guys why are you making it out to be so harder than it is? Modding an IRC channel is the easiet thing out of the whole social networking stuff, if you dont know how it works then dont have one.... Current topic title in #neowin Welcome to #neowin | Rules: https://www.neowin.net/ircrules | Revenge of the 5th! | <Laura> what if i like being a fat hairy beast? | <kontroll> I feel like a woman. | <Colin-uk> Man. i'd like to feel a woman. | <The_Decryptor> Also, Heath Ledger wasn?t that good an actor Bolded for emphasis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fubar Posted May 9, 2011 Share Posted May 9, 2011 But not every situation is black and white. That's where personal judgment comes in and discussion between staff. Every decision about a (temp-)ban is discussed at length, either on IRC or on the forum and the majority rules. Thats the worst excuse for inconsistent IRC modding ive ever seen in the 11 years ive been running IRC networks... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
what Posted May 9, 2011 Share Posted May 9, 2011 But not every situation is black and white. That's where personal judgment comes in and discussion between staff. Every decision about a (temp-)ban is discussed at length, either on IRC or on the forum and the majority rules. Which is why you can't merge the forum and IRC systems. You also have no need for chat mods to use as scapegoats to hand out bans when the staff makes a team decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yusuf M. Veteran Posted May 9, 2011 Veteran Share Posted May 9, 2011 Please read my posts regarding the moderation of the IRC channel, THERE ARE NO CLEAR RULES OR CONSISTENT MODDING.... Really guys why are you making it out to be so harder than it is? Modding an IRC channel is the easiet thing out of the whole social networking stuff, if you dont know how it works then dont have one.... These rules should be clear enough: https://www.neowin.net/ircrules Also, no one is making anything harder than it actually is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven P. Administrators Posted May 9, 2011 Administrators Share Posted May 9, 2011 Which is why you can't merge the forum and IRC systems. You also have no need for chat mods to use as scapegoats to hand out bans when the staff makes a team decision. Are you implying that chat mods are lowest of the lowest? They are gods! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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