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[rkenshin]

Honestly, a little off topic, but ....

....sooooo tired of seeing all the threads about Windows 8. Love it? Great. Hate it? Don't buy it. Move on and quit complaining. It isn't going to be changed.

[JaredFrost]

FrozenEclipse, on 20 August 2012 - 05:32, said:

Windows 8 has many improvements over 7. People, like you it seems, just look at the Start screen and go "well I don't like it, so there, hmph!".

And yet none of those improvements are Modern Bob, all the major improvements are not related to the UI/Desktop theme at all
Something like a UI is very subjective, me, being of logical mind don't think the new start screen is a good fit for a desktop OS
Now a tablet, I think it could work, I was planning on checking out some of the Windows 8 RT devices when they're out
I can't judge those without some hands on first.

You'll have to get over the fact some people use their computer differently than you and wont like Modern Bob because it limits
them too much.

[ambiance]

I appreciate the effort put into the post, but it feels too much like PR for me to take it seriously.

[vcfan]

good thread op, you said some stuff that needed to be said

windows 8 is a revolution in computing happening before our eyes,and all some people would like to talk about is a missing pixel in the legacy desktop backwards compatibility mode. really?

[Xilo]

Windows 8 is what happens when bigwigs that know nothing and just want to cash in on latest trends run the company.

[Joshie]

It amazes me that people act as if the inconsistencies in Windows 8 are a fault somehow of the type of company Microsoft is when I can point at the 'principled' open-source software out there and find some of the most vomit-worthy inconsistencies to date.

I mean, sure, mentioning KDE would be a cheap shot, but...seriously guys, KDE. Gross.

[FloatingFatMan]

Seriously, Nazmus. You need to crawl out of that Microsoft rear end you've fallen in to, it's not good for you.

Windows 8 is software, not something to love or worship, or even hate. Unless there's something wrong with you. Use it, or do not use it.. Simple.

[+Chicane-UK]

An engineering marvel? A revolution? Sorry, but they're some of the most ridiculous comments I've ever heard.

There is nothing revolutionary about Windows 8. It's evolutionary - it's built on the existing version of Windows, and attempts to integrate features already seen on mobile platforms into a desktop OS with arguably mixed results. That's not an engineering marvel. Given the size of Microsoft and the resources at their disposal, I personally think it's simply not good enough. In fact to me it seems like a missed opportunity of enormous proportions. They could have done it properly. Windows Phone 7 was a rethink on how they did things - they didn't carry over (so far as I can see) anything of the old version of Windows Phone (on the surface at least) and as a result the product works. Windows 8 feels like nothing more than a shell running on top of the OS - I don't think the integration went deep enough. And I think it's going to bite them.

[+abysal]

Not enough time in development.

[+Mephistopheles]

Chicane-UK, on 20 August 2012 - 07:32, said:

An engineering marvel? A revolution? Sorry, but they're some of the most ridiculous comments I've ever heard.

There is nothing revolutionary about Windows 8. It's evolutionary - it's built on the existing version of Windows, and attempts to integrate features already seen on mobile platforms into a desktop OS with arguably mixed results. That's not an engineering marvel. Given the size of Microsoft and the resources at their disposal, I personally think it's simply not good enough. In fact to me it seems like a missed opportunity of enormous proportions. They could have done it properly. Windows Phone 7 was a rethink on how they did things - they didn't carry over (so far as I can see) anything of the old version of Windows Phone (on the surface at least) and as a result the product works. Windows 8 feels like nothing more than a shell running on top of the OS - I don't think the integration went deep enough. And I think it's going to bite them.

Fully agreed. Use Windows 8 for an extended period of time and the half-assery all over the place becomes apparent. There aren't a whole lot of 'modern UI' apps yet (which will change in time for GA), and some of the existing ones are a joke - take the Mail app as an example.

The desktop has seen improvements, sure. The OS does feel snappy, some of the improvements made to explorer.exe make sense. Where it falls short is the looks department, as is being discussed in this thread. There is no excuse whatsoever for a company the size of Microsoft to not hire competent designers and enforce design guidelines across all of the product teams. In a similar way Apple does it.

Suggestion: Some of you might remember the Aero Taskforce and the Windows 7 Taskforce initiatives. Why doesn't Neowin start an official Windows 8 taskforce thread? Collect all inconsistencies/oversights/old UI elements which should long have been retired/suggestions for improvements and whatnot, however minor the flaw may be. Then after a set amount of time send the collected feedback to MS in the hope that they incorporate some of it into Windows 9 (or 'Blue' or 8.x or whatever else the next release will be called).

[+Chicane-UK]

That's the sad thing. There have clearly been some great improvements made in the core system - it feels really fast, it feels lean.. it boots quickly.. it shuts down quickly.. everything is really snappy. But all that is going to be completely ignored because of the more obvious problems.

[Sir Ali]

Chicane-UK, on 20 August 2012 - 08:38, said:

That's the sad thing. There have clearly been some great improvements made in the core system - it feels really fast, it feels lean.. it boots quickly.. it shuts down quickly.. everything is really snappy. But all that is going to be completely ignored because of the more obvious problems.

This.

Windows starting with 7 is probably the fastest OS a PC can run (Macs included). I've used several computers during the last 4-5 years and Windows always performed better than other OSes. As a designer, I always found Adobe CS to run better on Windows than on OS X. I prefer OS X's variety of apps, but that's not the point. I'm referring to the overall performance mainly.

Windows 8 improves on that by being faster and snappier. It runs smoothly on a huge variety of computers and tables. So indeed, MS is doing great backend wise optimizing the performance. I suggest you take a look at the Windows engineering videos posted on their YouTube channel where they compare some of the new optimizations with Windows 7.

On the other hand, I don't see anything revolutionary about Metro or the legacy UI. Microsoft chooses to ignore UI improvements and fixes with every release. It's either they don't care, or they can't do lots of changes at a rapid time.

[Mike Frett]

And they paid you how much to write this drivel?.

[The King of GnG]

No, Windows 8 is just a ****ty product for my PCs that I wouldn't touch even if they paid be. Your argument is invalid. I'm the customer, I judge with my wallet. ENOUGH with this mindless supporting of Microsoft's absurd commercial policies and the "users are wrong, Windows 8 rulez" bullcrap.

[sanctified]

Nazmus Shakib Khandaker, on 20 August 2012 - 05:15, said:

Yet Art is something we pay for.

Last time I checked we are not anymore in the 14 century to make this generalization not every art piece is commercial