Windows 8 is an Engineering Marvel with Humanity

By Nazmus Shakib Khandaker
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Grand Master

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That's the sad thing. There have clearly been some great improvements made in the core system - it feels really fast, it feels lean.. it boots quickly.. it shuts down quickly.. everything is really snappy. But all that is going to be completely ignored because of the more obvious problems.

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That's the sad thing. There have clearly been some great improvements made in the core system - it feels really fast, it feels lean.. it boots quickly.. it shuts down quickly.. everything is really snappy. But all that is going to be completely ignored because of the more obvious problems.

This.

Windows starting with 7 is probably the fastest OS a PC can run (Macs included). I've used several computers during the last 4-5 years and Windows always performed better than other OSes. As a designer, I always found Adobe CS to run better on Windows than on OS X. I prefer OS X's variety of apps, but that's not the point. I'm referring to the overall performance mainly.

Windows 8 improves on that by being faster and snappier. It runs smoothly on a huge variety of computers and tables. So indeed, MS is doing great backend wise optimizing the performance. I suggest you take a look at the Windows engineering videos posted on their YouTube channel where they compare some of the new optimizations with Windows 7.

On the other hand, I don't see anything revolutionary about Metro or the legacy UI. Microsoft chooses to ignore UI improvements and fixes with every release. It's either they don't care, or they can't do lots of changes at a rapid time.

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No, Windows 8 is just a ****ty product for my PCs that I wouldn't touch even if they paid be. Your argument is invalid. I'm the customer, I judge with my wallet. ENOUGH with this mindless supporting of Microsoft's absurd commercial policies and the "users are wrong, Windows 8 rulez" bullcrap.

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I dunno, I thought Windows 95 was quite revolutionary...

I remember stores being open at midnight and line of people waiting to buy Win95, Plus! and Office 95. It was a HUGE success.

I've never seen that since and I'm sure Win8 will not bring back that kind of frenzy.

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BajiRav

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No, Windows 8 is just a ****ty product for my PCs that I wouldn't touch even if they paid be. Your argument is invalid. I'm the customer, I judge with my wallet. ENOUGH with this mindless supporting of Microsoft's absurd commercial policies and the "users are wrong, Windows 8 rulez" bullcrap.

Uh, I don't worship Microsoft/Windows 8 but it's going to be on all of my PCs. I am judging with my wallet as well and I think it is far from a ****ty product. This is Vista all over again.

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I remember stores being open at midnight and line of people waiting to buy Win95, Plus! and Office 95. It was a HUGE success.

I've never seen that since and I'm sure Win8 will not bring back that kind of frenzy.

True. Maybe OP was just a child back then.

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But its only in use by technical people who have decent computers. Wait till the millions of people use it on machines that are a good few years old before you start trumpeting about how smooth and bug free the OS is.

Assumptions... I am running it on hardware that is several years old. The only thing I've put it on that doesn't work that well is a netbook, but that's because of the small screen resolution.

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Look at thread title, guess the user, I was correct..........but its not exactly hard to guess, it was only ever going to be one of two people with the silly Microsoft worshipping they do.

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Windows 7.

Also windows 8 isn't out yet, how can you say its not buggy and runs so smooth.

Windows 7 is horrible on a tablet device, the keyboard is almost unusable...

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Obi-Wan Kenobi

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Well, then, I guess

is out of the question. Any other bright ideas? Look...use what makes you happy. I'm just tired of seeing these threads already. Sorry if I seemed like I was stepping on anyone's toes.
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PGHammer

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spam?

Hardly.

As much as folks complain that software (all software, and especially pre-8 Windows) break no new ground, whenever software (and especially Windows), dares to break *any* new ground, it gets whacked for it.

Windows 95 was indeed quite revolutionary - however, even it was hardly accepted at first. An early (and often repeated) criticism of Windows 95 was that it was too plain out of the box.

Then we discovered we could dress it up, and our imaginations took off - even dragging the business and enterprise-oriented Windows NT into the mix.

Come 1999, you had the *fraternal twins* Windows ME and Windows 2000 Professional - one the unplanned (other than by IHVs) successor to 98 Second Edition - the other succeeding the longer-in-the-tooth Windows NT Workstation.

Now we have Windows 8, which continues the trend of Windows embracing new hardware, form-factors, and even input methods. That's right, - for all the criticism and angst over Windows 8 adding touch support, Windows 8 followed Windows 7 there.

However, one item went away that had been a constant in our travels (and travails) through the Land of Windows - the Start menu.

That it went away has sparked an emotional backlash unheard of in software history.

Emotional? Yes - emotional.

Even most of the defenders of the Start menu (now that it's gone) were critical of it while it was around.

It's like someone complaining about having a loose tooth removed while asleep or unconscious.

Assumptions... I am running it on hardware that is several years old. The only thing I've put it on that doesn't work that well is a netbook, but that's because of the small screen resolution.

I'm running it on desktop hardware that largely isn't manufactured any more, and I have no problems at all.

The backlash is basically over touch support and the Start menu being gone - and all of THAT is emotionally-driven.

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PGHammer

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This is what the backlash is about and I don't see how that is "emotionally-driven".

It most certainly *is* emotionally driven, and if anyone would have an axe to grind, it would be an alumnus of XEROX PARC - founders of the mouse-driven UI.

One thing that I have been, in fact, criticizing 7/Vista/XP for (and especially over the past week) is the overbias in favor of mice - to the point that the keyboard is an afterthought.

The critics of the Modern UI and Windows 8 aren't just criticizing the touch support, but the absence of the mouse overbias centered in the Start menu.

Look at every piece that criticizes the Modern UI in particular or Windows 8 in general - it all revolves around things being harder for mousers.

Please - we're on desktops, notebooks, laptops, and netbooks (the critics) - what do they ALL have in common besides mice? They all have keyboards.

The mouse overbias is actually *worse* than a touch bias.

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It is amazing how many different versions of what Microsoft is doing with Windows 8 (and onwards) there are according to people here. Metro is the future, Metro is a replacement for the start menu, the desktop will remain, the desktop is dead, Windows 8 is just a transition, it's for businesses, it's for tablets, it's for consumers, etc...

Shows where the trouble is with the OS more than any individual criticism levelled at it. People simply don't have a clue what Windows 8 is meant to be. I'm not sure even Microsoft do.

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I remember stores being open at midnight and line of people waiting to buy Win95, Plus! and Office 95. It was a HUGE success.

I've never seen that since and I'm sure Win8 will not bring back that kind of frenzy.

And why would you??

Surely people were waiting in line for those products you mentioned because it was the easiest way to buy it, via a shop and install it that way.

Whereas nowadays people can buy it online and get it super quick without having to leave there home. Gone are the days people will line up outside a PC world or something to buy Microsoft Products because they are so readily available online for purchase.

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I'm not quite sure what ive just read tbh, however I can relate the second paragraph to our works toilet.

Our works toilet is also "a technological wonder that ought to put us in awe. It is a creation that shows how far humanity has achieved. Yet, its imperfections show that it was, indeed, created by human beings." Our toilet can take the abuse of a bad curry the night before, from multiple employees. However occasionally shows it imperfections and blocks up, despite this i think we can all agree the toilet "is a human engineering marvel of our time."

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