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I was thinking that this might be an alternate way of looking at things for those naysayers against the Windows Metro Screen (Start Screen). I am writing this more from a Mac User
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I've said this before, but if you can't handle the change from Windows 7 to 8, you probably can't handle any other operating system.

So, yes, if you use OSX or Linux on a regular basis, W8 should be a non-issue.

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I have been saying something similar too. Sure it's a "big" change if you don't like getting up on the wrong side of the day but for most people the changes are trivial to adapt to.
About the similarities to Dashboard, yea tiles are launchers+widgets combined into one. Just the other day I commented this to a friend - I fully expect Apple to go on a similar path in either iOS or OS X or both. They will either go the Android route (icons and widgets) or the Metro route (widgets that act as launchers).
That's going to be a major feature in next iOS/OS X.

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Interesting to compare the desktop/Launcher in OS X to desktop/Metro on 8. I think Android has the best design in that it doesn't seperate the two screens - you can place widgets on the desktop area right next to traditional app icons. I really hope Windows transitions to this style or Android releases a desktop environment. Having tiles/widgets/whatever limited to only squares or rectangles and arrangement in rows and columns is obnoxious and un-intuitive. Right now I use Rainmeter which allows me to add widgets and other functionality to my desktop.

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[quote name='SadJoker' timestamp='1360011139' post='595501356']
Interesting to compare the desktop/Launcher in OS X to desktop/Metro on 8. I think Android has the best design in that it doesn't seperate the two screens - you can place widgets on the desktop area right next to traditional app icons. I really hope Windows transitions to this style or Android releases a desktop environment. Having tiles/widgets/whatever limited to only squares or rectangles and arrangement in rows and columns is obnoxious and un-intuitive. Right now I use Rainmeter which allows me to add widgets and other functionality to my desktop.
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I think best Metro implementation for tiles is still WP7.8 or WP8 where you get 3 sizes - the smallest being same as an icon but it can still be a live tile.

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[quote name='Medfordite' timestamp='1360005501' post='595501090']Sure, I have a start menu, and I am not really sure why I have it, except I think it is more for [b]easier access to the control panel[/b] and some of the other items there that make it faster to access than having to go to the charms bar, or Metro Screen and perform a search to find what I am looking for in the Control Panel.
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This is often an ignorant and incorrect complaint used by Win 8 haters (i know you're not complaining though). But this option, as usual, is already in Windows 8 and just as quick.

Simply [b]right click[/b] in the bottom left corner where the Start Menu used to be. You'll get a new menu with many options including a shortcut to the Control Panel (and also Device Manager, System, Command Prompt, Event Viewer, Power Options and loads more). It's sort of like a replacement for many Start Menu shortcuts, but adds a ton of new stuff making it quicker for many tasks. You can also press Win key + X to access this menu.

Theres absolutely no need to use Start8 or any other junk. Just learn the Win 8 features, everything is already there and is often quicker than Win 7 once you know how.
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[quote name='1Pixel' timestamp='1360017059' post='595501514']
Theres absolutely no need to use Start8 or any other junk. Just learn the Win 8 features, everything is already there and is often quicker than Win 7 once you know how.
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This is so right !

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[quote name='1Pixel' timestamp='1360017059' post='595501514']
Theres absolutely no need to use Start8 or any other junk. Just learn the Win 8 features, everything is already there and is often quicker than Win 7 once you know how.
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Look, I like Windows 8 (prefer it actually), but it is not faster without Start8 or other programs like it. The fact that you need to click the Desktop tile alone makes it slower than Windows 7. Or having hundreds of tiles instead of having them in neatly collapsable sub folders. Or an option to disable the hot corners while you are in desktop.

Start8 and others are not just about the start menu/button. I do not give a damn about using the start screen, but I would like to disable those hot corners and boot directly to the desktop.

Is there a built in way to do this with Windows 8 that does not require manual registry hacking? Why couldn't they just have a couple of check boxes in the control panel? You know most of the complaints will be gone if they did that.

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AFAIK the only way to disable the hot corners is with a start menu replacement.

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[quote name='1Pixel' timestamp='1360017059' post='595501514']
This is often an ignorant and incorrect complaint used by Win 8 haters (i know you're not complaining though). But this option, as usual, is already in Windows 8 and just as quick.

Simply [b]right click[/b] in the bottom left corner where the Start Menu used to be. You'll get a new menu with many options including a shortcut to the Control Panel (and also Device Manager, System, Command Prompt, Event Viewer, Power Options and loads more). It's sort of like a replacement for many Start Menu shortcuts, but adds a ton of new stuff making it quicker for many tasks. You can also press Win key + X to access this menu.

Theres absolutely no need to use Start8 or any other junk. Just learn the Win 8 features, everything is already there and is often quicker than Win 7 once you know how.
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QFT.
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Another tip: To shut down Windows 8 from the desktop, press Alt-F4.

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I strongly recommend any new Windows 8 user look over the keyboard shortcuts.

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows-8/new-keyboard-shortcuts#1TC=t1

The hot corners are excellent on smaller displays (like my laptop), but on large displays (like my desktop's 24" display)? Keyboard shortcuts all the way. That said, after going through the transition from DOS to Windows (and knowing people preferring DOS), from Win 9x to WinXP (back when it was brand new and people didn't like it), and OS9 to OSX (back when OSX was a cruel, cruel thing to do to people)? This is really small potatoes to me. While not perfect, Windows 8 is a lot more polished, stable, actually less power hungry, etc., and shows what can be done when Microsoft "turns off the xerox machines." But, alas, people need to give it a chance to really appreciate it.

Ironically, my sister in law works at a store selling Windows desktops and laptops; its the Mac users who are adapting the fastest and really liking it - some are picking them up to replace or go along with their Macs!

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As I mentioned on the news item, that Mac users (and others that get all zomgz over keyboard shortcuts) like Win8 'more' is all the evidence I need that something is wrong.

Secondly, your use of third party tools defeats your position because (we assume, you never actually made a point other than several terrible comparisons) of the same annoyances many others have found - the inability to 'stay' in the Desktop space for basic operations (like search).

Pretty weak comparison, I expected more.

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[quote name='Medfordite' timestamp='1360005501' post='595501090']
Sure, I have a start menu, and I am not really sure why I have it, except I think it is more for easier access to the control panel and some of the other items there that make it faster to access than having to go to the charms bar, or Metro Screen and perform a search to find what I am looking for in the Control Panel. For most people, this is easy enough, for me, it is a personal preference thing. :)
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It was nice to see were you were coming from as a Mac user. I found using a mac with System quite easy, but that comes from a background of being an Amiga user. OSx has some things that I found a bit getting used to, but no more so then when I switched to Windows 8. OSx certainly is more polished then Windows 8 at the moment, with little niggles such as using two monitors and not being able to easily get to the start screen on the monitor you're working on. This is frustrating since existing side docked RT Apps are hidden when the start screen is shown, even if they were docked on another monitor's display.

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[quote name='Dashel' timestamp='1360084756' post='595502864']
As I mentioned on the news item, that Mac users (and others that get all zomgz over keyboard shortcuts) like Win8 'more' is all the evidence I need that something is wrong.

Secondly, your use of third party tools defeats your position because (we assume, you never actually made a point other than several terrible comparisons) of the same annoyances many others have found - the inability to 'stay' in the Desktop space for basic operations (like search).

Pretty weak comparison, I expected more.
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Windows isn't about the desktop GUI anymore. You're going to find more and more going to the Metro side. Windows 8 declares the desktop largely legacy.

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[quote name='Dashel' timestamp='1360084756' post='595502864']
As I mentioned on the news item, that Mac users (and others that get all zomgz over keyboard shortcuts) like Win8 'more' is all the evidence I need that something is wrong.

Secondly, your use of third party tools defeats your position because (we assume, you never actually made a point other than several terrible comparisons) of the same annoyances many others have found - the inability to 'stay' in the Desktop space for basic operations (like search).

Pretty weak comparison, I expected more.
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What kind of evidence is that?
About Search, Win8 search doesn't push you out of the "desktop space" (whatever that means). You get more results on screen than Win7- and you get right back where you started once you click a result. Why is it a problem again?
I mean unless you are a "power user" or a "Real multi-tasker" who has 3 monitors with 1 of them playing a game (left hand+left eye), 1 playing songs(both ears) and a video(right ear+ 1/2 of right eye) and third monitor with 53 browser tabs (1/4 of right eye) and is searching in start menu (right hand + 1/4 of right eye)
- rest all should be able to search and use it just fine, right? :p

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[quote name='BajiRav' timestamp='1360090006' post='595503112'] Win8 search doesn't push you out of the "desktop space"
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That sure is what it looks like though...Actual screenshot:

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Ah, more Dot flamebait.

Searching is done on the RT and not Desktop side of the fence (due to the killing of classic Start with no Spotlight addition) and THAT is largely the issue - being flipped into a completely different environment to complete tasks that should be able to be performed FROM the Desktop space!

How have we been posting and debating this for months now and yet some still can't conceive of the [i]fence [/i]between RT and the Desktop 'app'? That you somehow still don't get that you return MORE results in Win7 search than 8 (FFS) yet want to continue this charade of a 'serious' debate?!
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[quote name='Dashel' timestamp='1360091005' post='595503180']
Ah, more Dot flamebait.

Searching is done on the RT and not Desktop side of the fence (due to the killing of classic Start with no Spotlight addition) and THAT is largely the issue - being flipped into a completely different environment to complete tasks that should be able to be performed FROM the Desktop space!

How have we been posting and debating this for months now and yet some still can't conceive of the [i]fence [/i]between RT and the Desktop 'app'? That you somehow still don't get that you return MORE results in Win7 search than 8 (FFS) yet want to continue this charade of a 'serious' debate?!
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So? That's what Windows 8 is about: Metro. It's the introduction of the new Windows going forward. Why is it hard for you to tap the Windows key, type what you're looking for, and move on? There's nothing more to it. There's no rough or "scary" transitions to it, not to mention, the desktop is no more than ONE mouse click away at all times, and if what you are searching for belongs on the desktop, you'll be returned to it without any hesitation from the OS. I think users can do without being "on" the desktop for the 5 seconds it will take you to search.

Windows 8 search still works the same way as Windows 7 search, it's just split up into different screens. In fact, Search is even more powerful since Metro apps can tie into it.


EDIT: You still have the Search Bar in Explorer on the desktop side of things, but the system wide search is Metro, and rightly so. Can you imagine desktop search on a tablet?

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[quote name='Dot Matrix' timestamp='1360092430' post='595503244']Windows 8 search [b]still works the same way[/b] as Windows 7 search, [b]it's just split up into different screens[/b].
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So really it doesn't work the same way at all.
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[quote name='CSharp.' timestamp='1360092700' post='595503258']
So really it doesn't work the same way at all.
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Does it still search your system? If yes (And [i]YES[/i], it does), than it still works the same as 7.

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And Desktop apps can't tie in, durka durka. Win8 being about 'Metro' does zero, ziltch, for the Desktop workflow which is the comparison. I know you guys are in a coma but come on. Having a small, windowed, and unified search in the Desktop space is somehow equivalent to a itemized full-screen, non-Desktop aware one? You are simply mad if you are that disconnected from reality.

The simple fact remains Dot that if you had an ounce of reason and honesty to your bat**** crazy theory, you would have addressed the numerous false comparisons the OP made instead of blathering off my comment.

How disingenous do you have to be to declare anything that searches is necessarily 'the same' despite all evidence to the contrary?
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[quote name='Dashel' timestamp='1360092927' post='595503270']
Win8 being about 'Metro' does zero, ziltch for the Desktop workflow which is the comparison.

The simple fact remains Dot that if you had an ounce of reason and honesty to your bat**** crazy theory, you would have addressed the numerous false comparisons the OP made instead of dumping your factoid off my comment.
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The "Desktop workflow" remains largely unchanged. So, you now have a full screen Start. Boo hoo. It still remains more functional then the Start Menu ever would be.

Also, what false comparisons by the OP? He's spot on.

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^ More proof in the pudding folks!

Keep pushing the lie about it being more functional, yet only comparing it to the classic menu and not the menu+Desktop combination. It gives you soo much credibility...
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[quote name='Dashel' timestamp='1360093625' post='595503290']
^ More proof in the pudding folks!

Keep pushing the lie about it being more functional, yet only comparing it to the classic menu and not the menu+Desktop combination. It gives you soo much credibility...
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What lie? Start+Search remains more functional in Windows 8 than it is in 7. If you want to see where my comparisons are, do a search on Neowin. I have a post going back some about why I think Microsoft was right to kill off the menu, it was featured on the front page.

EDIT: [url="http://www.neowin.net/news/member-analysis-why-the-start-menu-needed-to-go"]Here it is[/url].

But if you drill down to it, there is nothing wrong with Search being on the Metro side. There is nothing wrong with Metro on the desktop in the first place. It adds functionality to PCs that the legacy GUI would never have brought.


[size=2](Also, your ad hominem doesn't help your cause.)[/size]

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