Windows 8 HAS NO START MENU

[Calum Veteran]

It is a touch UI, 99% pcs dont have touchscreen monitors, it was designed for tablets and phones.

Why do you continue to lie or not understand? You're posting ridiculous things. This is not a "touch UI" or a "tablet UI"! This user interface has been designed for desktops, laptops, and tablets, for use by either touch or a mouse and keyboard!

[Zain Adeel]

You can get to most programs in 3 clicks, start, all programs, done.

With Start Screen you will have massive tiles i dont want to have to keep clicking and swiping to go through all the pages of massive icons.

and if your program is deep in the all program list then press START..

type first 3 letters of ur app..

press enter.. and done! :)

way faster than start screen. (if they dont add search)

[Calum Veteran]

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A very large portion of Windows can be customized or flat-out disabled via GPO's, or at the very least alternative means. It's a pretty reasonable expectation to see it apply to the newer features as well.

I understand that, and I am expecting there will be a way to turn the Start Screen off, even if that's only for business users via GPOs; however, Tom stated it as fact, so I'm just wondering how he knows for sure :) We can all guess, assume, and expect, but it appears Tom may have been given more information, so I'm wondering where he saw this.

and if your program is deep in the all program list then press START..

type first 3 letters of ur app..

press enter.. and done! :)

way faster than start screen. (if they dont add search)

Judging by Windows Phone, and using my common sense, I expect there will be some way to view all applications installed and a way to search through them from the Start Screen. It would be a mistake for Microsoft not to include this, and I'm confident they'll realise that if they haven't already :)

[TheLegendOfMart]

Why do you continue to lie or not understand? You're posting ridiculous things. This is not a "touch UI" or a "tablet UI"! This user interface has been designed for desktops, laptops, and tablets, for use by either touch or a mouse and keyboard!

Dont call me a liar or make out that im some kind of retard, the Metro UI was designed SPECIFICALLY for WINDOWS PHONE 7. It had origins in WMC and ZUNE which were both NOT DESKTOP OSes.

Just because it can and has been ported to non-touchscreen environments doesnt mean it was designed for such, this UI was created purely for Windows Phone and Windows Tablet OSes.

[WolvesHunt]

and if your program is deep in the all program list then press START..

type first 3 letters of ur app..

press enter.. and done! :)

way faster than start screen. (if they dont add search)

if they don't add search they killed it before it's released. Ever System weather is Windows, Linux, OR OSx all of its built around Search for quick access.

[Calum Veteran]

You can get to most programs in 3 clicks, start, all programs, done.

With Start Screen you will have massive tiles i dont want to have to keep clicking and swiping to go through all the pages of massive icons.

:rolleyes: Do you really expect Microsoft to not include a way to easily search or see all applications? Do you really expect this, especially after they made it so easy in Windows Vista, Windows 7, and Windows Phone 7? You're going off a small preview; a preview where they didn't even tell us half of what the Start Screen is capable of. It's best not to assume what the final product will be like, but to understand what they've currently confirmed.

[WolvesHunt]

Dont call me a liar or make out that im some kind of retard, the Metro UI was designed SPECIFICALLY for WINDOWS PHONE 7. It had origins in WMC and ZUNE which were both NOT DESKTOP OSes.

Just because it can and has been ported to non-touchscreen environments doesnt mean it was designed for such, this UI was created purely for Windows Phone and Windows Tablet OSes.

actually metro UI concept was tested within Media Center

More UI concept and actually BackBone work was put on Surface

then Metro UI was test on Windows Phone 7.

now there testing the idea on Desktop os.

my guess is Metro UI Is not fully finalized yet? As for backbone and core components of Metro that's any ones guess

[TheLegendOfMart]

If they put the Metro UI into Windows 8 as default then im moving to OSX, its doing the same thing trying into integrate IOS into their desktop OS but they are doing it better, i dont want to have to switch from desktop to Fisher Price My First Touch UI with all its pretty rainbow colours just to launch an app.

[Gaara sama]

JUNK,JUNK AND JUNK

[WolvesHunt]

If they put the Metro UI into Windows 8 as default then im moving to OSX, its doing the same thing trying into integrate IOS into their desktop OS but they are doing it better, i dont want to have to switch from desktop to Fisher Price My First Touch UI with all its pretty rainbow colours just to launch an app.

Well you can still Pin apps to the task bar and load them that way. that's basically how I load all mine now a days with once in a blue moon needing the search bar to fine a app I have installed but not pinned.

[Ironman273]

If they put the Metro UI into Windows 8 as default then im moving to OSX, its doing the same thing trying into integrate IOS into their desktop OS but they are doing it better, i dont want to have to switch from desktop to Fisher Price My First Touch UI with all its pretty rainbow colours just to launch an app.

It's so funny to hear all the comments like this when a radically new version of Windows comes out. I guess we're recycling the "Fisher Price" line from the Windows XP days? People were horrified and vowed never to use that colorful piece of crap OS. It was Windows 2000 to the death for them! *sigh*

[Calum Veteran]

No its not, i dont want to have to swipe through 10 screens of installed apps with my mouse just to find the app i want.

Desktops arent tablets. If you want a tablet buy a ******* tablet.

:rolleyes: Again, why do you expect Microsoft would make you have to do that? That is such a ridiculous notion. Microsoft have made it very easy to search for and access installed applications on Windows Phone's Start Screen, and they did the same in both Windows Vista and Windows 7 with the Start Menu, so why do you expect such incompetence from them in regard to Windows 8?

[TheLegendOfMart]

It's so funny to hear all the comments like this when a radically new version of Windows comes out. I guess we're recycling the "Fisher Price" line from the Windows XP days? People were horrified and vowed never to use that colorful piece of crap OS. It was Windows 2000 to the death for them! *sigh*

I wasnt one of them, so......

:rolleyes: Again, why do you expect Microsoft would make you have to do that? That is such a ridiculous notion. Microsoft have made it very easy to search for and access installed applications on Windows Phone's Start Screen, and they did the same in both Windows Vista and Windows 7 with the Start Menu, so why do you expect such incompetence from them?

I dont have to search to find an application in windows 7 why should i have to do it in windows 8 just because they are making the icons/tiles so huge that it will take up pages and pages.

[Calum Veteran]

Dont call me a liar or make out that im some kind of retard, the Metro UI was designed SPECIFICALLY for WINDOWS PHONE 7. It had origins in WMC and ZUNE which were both NOT DESKTOP OSes.

Just because it can and has been ported to non-touchscreen environments doesnt mean it was designed for such, this UI was created purely for Windows Phone and Windows Tablet OSes.

You are completely wrong! You are severely mistaken! I suppose none of us know for sure what it was originally designed for; we can only assume. However, logic, common sense, and witnessing what we have indicates that the Metro design language was designed for any type of device. It works excellently on desktop, laptop, tablet, and phone operating systems, and it also works just as well on the Xbox 360; judging by that, to assume it was designed specifically for phone and tablet operating systems is asinine. I have no idea why you assume this; is it just because Windows Phone was first?

[WolvesHunt]

I wasnt one of them, so......

I dont have to search to find an application in windows 7 why should i have to do it in windows 8 just because they are making the icons/tiles so huge that it will take up pages and pages.

I have to search for a app ever since vista. Why its a lot easier to type what you want to run then trying to eye ball it in a Program list that the size of the empire state building (even if its sorted by name)

You are completely wrong! You are severely mistaken! I suppose none of us know for sure what it was originally designed for; we can only assume. However, logic, common sense, and witnessing what we have indicates that the Metro design language was designed for any type of device. It works excellently on desktop, laptop, tablet, and phone operating systems, and it also works just as well on the Xbox 360; judging by that, to assume it was designed specifically for phone and tablet operating systems is asinine. I have no idea why you assume this; is it just because Windows Phone was first?

Windows Phone was not the first to have it. The first Metro Idea was poked around Media Center, Moved onto MS Surface, then hits Windows Phone and now attempting to make it back on Desktops. To me it seem like a massive eco system

[TheLegendOfMart]

You are completely wrong! You are severely mistaken! I suppose none of us know for sure what it was originally designed for; we can only assume. However, logic, common sense, and witnessing what we have indicates that the Metro design language was designed for any type of device. It works excellently on desktop, laptop, tablet, and phone operating systems, and it also works just as well on the Xbox 360; judging by that, to assume it was designed specifically for phone and tablet operating systems is asinine. I have no idea why you assume this; is it just because Windows Phone was first?

Whatever its like arguing with an Apple Fanboy, they will say you are wrong till you are blue in the face. Ill say again just because its useable on desktop doesnt mean it was created for desktop, it has massive icons, mainly text based ui and has screen overflow, logic dictates that the overflow and large tile icons were created for small (4"-10") touchscreen devices like phones and tablets, there is no need to have massive tiles and page overflow on a modern desktop computer with 20"-24" monitors that primarily arent touch screen.

[c3ntury]

Thread is sensationalist to a point..

[Calum Veteran]

If they put the Metro UI into Windows 8 as default then im moving to OSX, its doing the same thing trying into integrate IOS into their desktop OS but they are doing it better, i dont want to have to switch from desktop to Fisher Price My First Touch UI with all its pretty rainbow colours just to launch an app.

So you're not even going to give it a chance and try it out? What a surprise. I imagine in the next few years (or 5 to 10 years), the immersive experience will be how one accesses and uses all apps, including heavy apps like Visual Studio in PhotoShop; I expect they'll find a way to develop these apps in an immersive manner without hindering user experience or productivity.

[TheLegendOfMart]

So you're not even going to give it a chance and try it out? What a surprise. I imagine in the next few years (or 5 to 10 years), the immersive experience will be how one accesses and uses all apps, including heavy apps like Visual Studio in PhotoShop; I expect they'll find a way to develop these apps in an immersive manner without hindering user experience or productivity.

No i wont, im not paying ?150~ for an OS that i can tell that im not going to like, i have a Windows Phone 7 device and i know it wont scale well to a desktop experience.

[WolvesHunt]

No i wont, im not paying ?150~ for an OS that i can tell that im not going to like, i have a Windows Phone 7 device and i know it wont scale well to a desktop experience.

I'm most interested in seeing what the beta's have in mined. But knowing my habits I jump ship no mater what. I used Vista ever since Longhorn 4008 was released and never looked back even though it was extremely unstable. I seem to be a early adopter when it comes to software and hardware even if I don't care to much for it in the first place.

[Calum Veteran]

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I dont have to search to find an application in windows 7 why should i have to do it in windows 8 just because they are making the icons/tiles so huge that it will take up pages and pages.

You're not listening to what I'm suggesting. This is exactly what I asked you: If you're able to search to easily find applications in Windows 7, why do you think Microsoft would take away such a useful feature in Windows 8, especially when they've just added a search feature to Windows Phone's Start Screen? Your assumption that there will be no way to easily find or access applications makes absolutely no sense.

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Windows Phone was not the first to have it. The first Metro Idea was poked around Media Center, Moved onto MS Surface, then hits Windows Phone and now attempting to make it back on Desktops. To me it seem like a massive eco system

No, but Windows Phone was the first full operating system to be based around the Metro design language, and that appears to be TheLegendOfMart's basis for ridiculously assuming it was originally designed to be used solely on mobile operating systems rather than desktop operating systems :s

Whatever its like arguing with an Apple Fanboy, they will say you are wrong till you are blue in the face. Ill say again just because its useable on desktop doesnt mean it was created for desktop, it has massive icons, mainly text based ui and has screen overflow, logic dictates that the overflow and large tile icons were created for small (4"-10") touchscreen devices like phones and tablets, there is no need to have massive tiles and page overflow on a modern desktop computer with 20"-24" monitors that primarily arent touch screen.

It's not like arguing with an Apple fanboy because I am not a fanboy, I'm just introducing common sense to you. Why would Microsoft design a desktop operating system and then release it if that user interface does not work well on a desktop operating system? You assuming they would do that is asinine. Have Microsoft ever released a desktop or phone operating system that is unusable or doesn't work well? No. What makes you think Microsoft would even do that? Why would you assert something illogical is logical? Logic does not dictate that the large tiles were designed for small touchscreen devices; they do work well with those, but they weren't designed specifically for those. Why? Because as Microsoft have pointed out, the large tiles provide a mechanism for presenting the user with a wealth of information in a small space (a tile). Using the tile-based user interface on the desktop allows the user to see all of the latest information at a glance: Unread email subjects and some of the email, specific notifications, unread instant messages, calendar appointments, latest RSS feed story etc.; the user can see all of this at a glance without having to enter any applications. Yet, you still assume this won't work well on a desktop :rolleyes:, and state you will switch without even giving it a chance.

No i wont, im not paying ?150~ for an OS that i can tell that im not going to like, i have a Windows Phone 7 device and i know it wont scale well to a desktop experience.

I meant you could try it out in a shop or something. You said with certainty that you will switch, but it makes sense to at least try it out somewhere else before you switch or buy. This is where you are going wrong as well: They are not scaling the Windows Phone operating system :rolleyes: If you haven't noticed, the live tiles on Windows 8 display more information than those on Windows Phone. Microsoft have taken the great Start Screen concept and made it work excellently on the desktop, allowing the user to see all updates without them having to enter any applications.

[TheLegendOfMart]

Cant be bothered responding if you cant stop with the condescending rolleyes and talking to me like im some sort of child.

[Calum Veteran]

Cant be bothered responding if you cant stop with the condescending rolleyes and talking to me like im some sort of child.

It's frustrating that you're assuming though. I'm not talking to you like a child at all; I'm just utilising the 'rolleyes' emoticon to point out how ridiculous certain suggestions of yours are. You need to stop assuming when Microsoft haven't even told us most of what is included in the operating system. It's fine to discuss and talk about what they've confirmed, and it's even fine to speculate, but to assume (read: not speculate, but actually assume) they won't include something very useful after they've included it in their last 3 operating systems just makes no sense.

[Jamushroom Veteran]

its one OS across all devices not 2 (unless you mean Windows Phone & windows PC, Arm and Tablets) then its sorta 2. Since ARM, X86, X64 All in one PC and Tablets will all use the same os and work all the same way.

I thought Windows Phone and Windows 8 were still 2 different OS-es and that they were going to keep it that way.

jack of all trades master of none approach? w8 seems to do it.

we have separate oses for a reason. becuase input is different. people's needs are different on each device. I'd rather have an OS optimized for the device I'm using... not some half ass attempt at both.

I don't want touch stuff becuase I don't use or have a touch device exept my phone. not very many people have tablets.

the classic desktop UI will be limited to compensate in some way.. the start menu is disabled and goes to the start screen.... a place we dont want on our desktops! so you can't really turn it off unless you tweak the hell out of it, which I'm sure people will find a way and realease patches.

but what's the point of working so hard to patch it when you can just stick with windows 7... easier

You still don't seem to get the whole Metro thing on Windows 8. The Metro side of Windows 8 IS optimized for tablets. If you don't want to use Metro as you don't want to use touch, you can obviously go back to Aero without all the Metro stuff.

Besides, Windows 8 isn't even fully done yet and everyone's already jumping to conclusions and thinking up facts which haven't even been talked about by Microsoft. Who told you that the start menu will be disabled? Only because this topic started with that? Who tells you you can't really turn it off? Have you seen the final and finished product? Who told you you need to patch the hell out of Windows 8 to disable all the touch side of things? Really, there's no reason to jump to such conclusions and think they're facts. Just wait and see till Microsoft has given full detail about Windows 8.

What I'm hoping to see however is that they're going to make the whole Metro experience in Windows 8 optional. So that a desktop user can disable it and use Windows how they're used to, with the given enhancements of course like the Ribbon interface in Explorer and whatnot. And that tablet/touchscreen users can make full use of the Metro UI. I won't be jumping to any conclusion yet as it's too early to do that. There's no final build, there's no final word about anything from Microsoft. So everything we see are just glimps of the final product. Just look at all of it with an open mind and jump to conclusions when the final beta has been released.

[SekaiStory]

Regarding the OP. It's nothing new, most people know this for over a month now. It's only logical that they'd do that as you won't spend a lot of time using the old desktop. I'm pretty sure you can do all basic tasks you do today (and more) on the new Metro start screen. You'll only need to go to the "old house" when you need to run an old application, so it would be logically you need an easy way to switch to the new start screen after you're done using that application. Besides the Explorer is pinned as first icon in the taskbar, and there will be an applications folder so you can pretty much access everything without the need of the classical start menu. (I'm pretty happy they got rid of it to be honest.)

And I think there'll be an option to turn of the whole Metro experience, and that might bring the start menu back. I have to admit that I don't like the mouse/keyboard controls for Windows 8 currently. Page Up/down to scroll the start screen. Dragging a square on a side to switch between apps, there's certainly room for improvement.