The 2003 Neowin MLB Playoff Thread

[topher1078]

Yeah that chop really has to go. The Braves are such a boring team to watch whether it be in the playoffs or regular season - they just never express any emotion, or excitement, ever.

BTW, Yankees suck, Yankees suck (and Jeter swallows.)

[chema]

Go Boston!!!!!!!! WoooooooHoooooooo :D

[BroChaos Veteran]

hehe, i like jeter, only cuz we went to grade school together. other than him, i hate the yankees :p

i hate the chop too, but i've never found that stuff racist, as it's all about the fierceness/power of the indians. but if you have a cheer like that, you know it's gonna come back to you if you lose.

[CatnipOligarchy]

im a huge braves fan and i absolutely despise the chop.. its so freakin annoying. in the playoffs they give everyone tomahawks at the gate and then like 10 minutes before the game they say "we are about to be joined by a national television audience. lets get a warmup version of the tomahawk chop going and welcome america to tomahawk country" WTF is that? then it goes on and on and on forever while fox does their damn hour long pregame show. then once the game starts, they do the chop seemingly any time the opposing pitcher throws a ball. god forbid we get a runner on base before we start chanting.

anyways, none of you will have to worry about the chop again until next year, so for tonight, go Sox!!

[redrope]

Nice to see a Braves fan hates it. I thought that televised audience thing was funny too. Btw, Turner Field is a very nice stadium.

[Offspring]

The sheer fact that the Braves make it to the playoffs 12 years in a row, and can't win a WS in that span is pretty telling. And screw the Marlins. Stupid fish.

[LRoling]

The Cubs victory was awesome! And the great thing about being a Cub fan for the last 20 years and seeing them lose is that this NLCS berth makes us just wanna party and celebrate what we have now. I think all Cubs fans are really just enjoying the moment, they aren't sitting around saying "We're going all the way, we got Sosa, Alou, etc." We are just drinking our poisons and enjoying our time over here on Addison and Waveland.

We have absolutely the greatest fans in the world, my ****ing money down the drain for all those season tickets I got for all those years, ABSOLUTELY PAID OFF! Well, at least my Dad's money, he says it's paid off by just seeing them in the NLCS, I love it, I'll be at Wrigley for game 1 and 2, and it's gonna be awesome! Have fun everyone!

[BroChaos Veteran]

The sheer fact that the Braves make it to the playoffs 12 years in a row, and can't win a WS in that span is pretty telling. And screw the Marlins. Stupid fish.

they got 1.

but yeah, 12 yrs in a row is crazy...

[Labtec]

Not just 12 years to playoffs in a row, but winning the division 12 years in a row.

[CatnipOligarchy]

but yeah, 12 yrs in a row is crazy...

its quite an accomplishment.. but its sad that the fans have become spoiled now and wouldnt even sell out a playoff game if it werent for the cubs

[Labtec]

its quite an accomplishment.. but its sad that the fans have become spoiled now and wouldnt even sell out a playoff game if it werent for the cubs

Well Oakland didn't sell out division game 2 against Boston this year. And in regular season, Atlanta has better average fans then Chicago Cubs at games.

Since 1992:

Attendance stats:

1992 Atlanta - 3,077,400 Chicago Cubs - 2,126,720 (+950,680)

1993 Atlanta - 3,884,720 Chicago Cubs - 2,653,763 (+1.23 million)

1994 Atlanta - 2,539,240 Chicago Cubs - 1,845,208 (+700,000)

1995 Atlanta - 2,561,831 Chicago Cubs - 1,918,265 (+650,000)

1996 Atlanta - 2,901,242 Chicago Cubs - 2,219,110 (+700,000)

1997 Atlanta - 3,464,488 Chicago Cubs - 2,190,308 (+1.27 million)

1998 Atlanta - 3,360,860 Chicago Cubs - 2,623,194 (+750,000 Wild Card Year for Cubs)

1999 Atlanta - 3,284,897 Chicago Cubs - 2,813,854 (+470,000)

2000 Atlanta - 3,234,304 Chicago Cubs - 2,789,511 (+430,000)

2001 Atlanta - 2,823,530 Chicago Cubs - 2,779,465 (+50,000)

2002 Atlanta - 2,603,484 Chicago Cubs - 2,693,096 (only year Chicago Cubs beat Atlanta in attendance out of 11 years)

Wrigley Field Max Capacity 40,000 or 3,402,000 per year.

Turner Field Max Capacity 49,000 or 3,969,000 per year.

+567,000 possible for Turner Field differential. Numbers obtained from: http://www.baseballreference.com/teams/CHC/

Sure, we have been spoiled but we have bandwagon fans because the MAJORITY of people in Atlanta aren't from here. Go out and meet people and only 10% or less of the people you meet on a daily basis are actually from Atlanta.

[CatnipOligarchy]

sure we draw well in the regular season, but we should SELL OUT every single playoff game and sell standing room tickets too... there is absolutely no reason not to... us braves fans are spoiled, and some of us take the playoffs for granted. one day this run is going to end, too bad everyone isnt enjoying it while it lasts.

also, how many braves fans did you see at wrigley field the other night? and how cubs fans at turner field?.. if not for the cubs, there would only have been about 40,000 people at those games

[BroChaos Veteran]

i guess it's just human nature. as i cub fan, i see this as a once in a lifetime thing. if i had the money, i woulda flown to atlanta to see the game. it just means more for cubs fans, and yeah, humans tend to take things for granted.

[CatnipOligarchy]

i guess it's just human nature.  as i cub fan, i see this as a once in a lifetime thing.  if i had the money, i woulda flown to atlanta to see the game.  it just means more for cubs fans, and yeah, humans tend to take things for granted.

i just wish it could mean that much to braves fans.. i know it does to me.. i'd rather have spoiled fans than a 95 year world series drought though ;)

oakland/boston is on now... lets go sox!

[Labtec]

sure we draw well in the regular season, but we should SELL OUT every single playoff game and sell standing room tickets too... there is absolutely no reason not to... us braves fans are spoiled, and some of us take the playoffs for granted. one day this run is going to end, too bad everyone isnt enjoying it while it lasts.

also, how many braves fans did you see at wrigley field the other night? and how cubs fans at turner field?.. if not for the cubs, there would only have been about 40,000 people at those games

I beg to differ. In a city full of transplants with devotions to other teams besides Atlanta teams. And the very fact that the expectation is that Atlanta will meltdown in the playoffs every year, it's not surprising to me to see that Atlanta can't sell out. Even if the Cubs fans didn't come down, I bet we would've sold out the games. Because if we sell out regular season games against the Mets this year, we would've done the same for the playoffs.

[CatnipOligarchy]

sure we draw well in the regular season, but we should SELL OUT every single playoff game and sell standing room tickets too... there is absolutely no reason not to... us braves fans are spoiled, and some of us take the playoffs for granted. one day this run is going to end, too bad everyone isnt enjoying it while it lasts.

also, how many braves fans did you see at wrigley field the other night? and how cubs fans at turner field?.. if not for the cubs, there would only have been about 40,000 people at those games

I beg to differ. In a city full of transplants with devotions to other teams besides Atlanta teams. And the very fact that the expectation is that Atlanta will meltdown in the playoffs every year, it's not surprising to me to see that Atlanta can't sell out. Even if the Cubs fans didn't come down, I bet we would've sold out the games. Because if we sell out regular season games against the Mets this year, we would've done the same for the playoffs.

in a city of 4 million plus, im sure there are 50,000 fans who care enough about baseball to come see a playoff game. we didnt sell out the first 2 games against the giants last year, nor did we against the astros and cardinals in years past. the expectation that we will blow it in the playoffs is irrelevant. its the playoffs. each year could be the last time the braves are in the playoffs for god knows how long.. they cant and shouldnt be taken for granted, nor should the results of them. and as for selling out the mets, thats during the summer.. people bring their whole families out to the ballpark. but thats no excuse. there is no excuse

[Chad]

sure we draw well in the regular season, but we should SELL OUT every single playoff game and sell standing room tickets too... there is absolutely no reason not to... us braves fans are spoiled, and some of us take the playoffs for granted. one day this run is going to end, too bad everyone isnt enjoying it while it lasts.

also, how many braves fans did you see at wrigley field the other night? and how cubs fans at turner field?.. if not for the cubs, there would only have been about 40,000 people at those games

I beg to differ. In a city full of transplants with devotions to other teams besides Atlanta teams. And the very fact that the expectation is that Atlanta will meltdown in the playoffs every year, it's not surprising to me to see that Atlanta can't sell out. Even if the Cubs fans didn't come down, I bet we would've sold out the games. Because if we sell out regular season games against the Mets this year, we would've done the same for the playoffs.

Atlanta probably wouldn't have sold out the Division series. Historically, they have fairly poor attendance for the first round series of the playoffs.

[Labtec]

in a city of 4 million plus, im sure there are 50,000 fans who care enough about baseball to come see a playoff game. we didnt sell out the first 2 games against the giants last year, nor did we against the astros and cardinals in years past.

In a city of 4 million that has added more then 2 million or 50% of that total in the last decade and half alone. Again, city of transplants and unless Braves prove they can consistently win in the playoffs they will not show up, even though I think this year they would have.

the expectation that we will blow it in the playoffs is irrelevant. its the playoffs. each year could be the last time the braves are in the playoffs for god knows how long.. they cant and shouldnt be taken for granted, nor should the results of them. and as for selling out the mets, thats during the summer.. people bring their whole families out to the ballpark. but thats no excuse. there is no excuse

How does expectation that we will blow it in playoffs irrelevant? A consumer or fan won't pay for a product if they don't think they could win or have expectations that we won't. If the Braves hadn't won these past 12 division titles and lets say this was Braves first division title, you don't think the Braves would've sold out? Past Playoff experiences is exactly why we won't draw, unless that continuation of playoff dissappointment changes we will continue to do so. There are no excuses, but there are definitely understandings in to why we don't sell out. To many Braves people, winning a Division Series is nothing. They only want the ring. Sure, Atlanta fans take it for granted but most people will tell you they would rather have a losing season then a heartbreak division series loss.

[Labtec]

Bandwagoner fan mentality: 1991 oh great Atlanta's doing well, let's root for the Braves. 1995 We taste World Series Victory. 1997 - 2003 Dissappointment after dissappointment anything less then world series is worthless. Big hopes for playoffs after winning division but constant dissappointments, Bandwagoner says Braves are chokers & decides not to support team anymore. We have 2 million of these types of people here in Atlanta.

[LRoling]

I think one of the big things about Chicago is that Wrigley is the original field. It isn't a huge futuristic looking field, it's not large and bulky, it's like a home to many of us, I've seen so many games there, drank so much beer there, it truly is the Friendly Confines, and I think that adds to the reason why a lot of people attend the Cubs games even in our long list of losing seasons.

I think maybe fans got used to the Braves winning, so why attend?

[redrope]

Boston losing 1-0. :(

[CatnipOligarchy]

home run varitek! 1-1

[CatnipOligarchy]

How does expectation that we will blow it in playoffs irrelevant? A consumer or fan won't pay for a product if they don't think they could win or have expectations that we won't. If the Braves hadn't won these past 12 division titles and lets say this was Braves first division title, you don't think the Braves would've sold out? Past Playoff experiences is exactly why we won't draw, unless that continuation of playoff dissappointment changes we will continue to do so. There are no excuses, but there are definitely understandings in to why we don't sell out. To many Braves people, winning a Division Series is nothing. They only want the ring. Sure, Atlanta fans take it for granted but most people will tell you they would rather have a losing season then a heartbreak division series loss.

im not saying this isnt the case... im saying it shouldnt be the case. of the cubs or red sox or yankees or cardinals made the playoffs 12 years in a row and only won one world series, they would still sell out every playoff game, because their fans are true fans and they stick with the team. atlanta doesnt have as many true fans. i drive up from alabama for about 15 games a year and all the playoff games, and its just kinda disappointing to not see the place full in the playoffs - this year was the exception. i understand what you are saying, and you are right about why we dont sell out. my point is that it shouldnt be that way and its an embarrassment considering the fans of the other teams like the royals, tigers, astros, padres, and etc., who would all relish the opportunity of a playoff berth

[CatnipOligarchy]

:woot: manny just hit a 3- run homer!!!! 4-1 red sox.. he showboated like a ass though :hmmm:

[redrope]

Omg, 4-3 Boston, bottom of the 9th, but runners on 1st and 2nd no outs.. Derek Lowe just came in.