Windows 8 8220 x64 Screens Leaked :D

[.Neo]

You can't complain about the Developer's Preview. (It wasn't meant to be a "preview".) It was incomplete, buggy, and not meant for full time use. Alot has changed in Windows 8 since then, which is why people should reserve judgement until the use the true Consumer Preview.

Doesn't matter how you spin things around Windows 8's first Developer Preview is a clear indication in which direction the operating system is going. We know for a fact that Metro will be the default across all devices. People are allowed to express their opinions about the status of the product so far and reserve the right to change said opinions while development progresses (or not). You have absolutely no business whatsoever to tell anyone to "buzz off" simply because they're expressing themselves. Again, if you can't deal with people posting their opinions here on Neowin simply "buzz off" yourself.

[techguy77]

A quick launch toolbar is obsolete. You can still pin programs like normal and you can still launch new programs with "win key + type + enter" just like in win7.

I meant Quick lunch and pinning to Taskbar in combination with Desktop shortcuts. But why would i need Metro to start some application? I never use start, type and start program. I find it useless since my shortcut is already there on desktop or taskbar. When i so search, i search for specific dlls or some other type of files for which doing start, type search doesn't work. Honestly, i have no idea what is purpose of Search in Windows 7 and Windows 8. I think there is no true search in Windows anymore.

[Dot Matrix]

People are allowed to express their opinions about the status of the product so far and reserve the right to change said opinions while development progresses or not. You have absolutely no business whatsoever to tell anyone to "buzz off" simply because they're expressing themselves. Again, if you can't deal with people posting their opinions here on Neowin simply "buzz off" yourself.

This is why people should not automatically judge:

"This version has nothing in commune with the Windows Developer Preview, with a good design, tons of features and very stable, it should please you as much as it can. The build is really pleasant, on touchscreens and with keyboard/mouse usage. I hope you enjoyed this review, see you on WinUnleaked.tk"

- http://winunleaked.tk/2012/02/windows-8-beta-candidate-build-8220/

[techguy77]

You don't have to have a metro app docked but you have the option. Metro apps are programs designed to work in the new start screen. They aren't traditionall windowed desktop applications.

Why would you need a 1920 pixel wide browser window?

Because i want to see whole page rendered and want to see browser stretched covering whole screen. If that is not enough for me i will add 2 more monitors to have multiple applications opened in full view. That's why i like virtual desktop concept in Linux which is more important and more useful than whole Metro interface, in my book at least.

This is why people should not automatically judge:

"This version has nothing in commune with the Windows Developer Preview, with a good design, tons of features and very stable, it should please you as much as it can. The build is really pleasant, on touchscreens and with keyboard/mouse usage. I hope you enjoyed this review, see you on WinUnleaked.tk"

- http://winunleaked.t...ate-build-8220/

Sorry but i do not understand Windows Phone interface mixing with traditional Desktop interface which gives you enough space and ability to do anything. I simply dont and those two just don't go together.

[cacoe]

I'm actually excited about it as a sofa-os, nice and big apps on my living room tv, really nice with my Logitech k400 :)

[.Neo]

This is why people should not automatically judge:

"This version has nothing in commune with the Windows Developer Preview, with a good design, tons of features and very stable, it should please you as much as it can. The build is really pleasant, on touchscreens and with keyboard/mouse usage. I hope you enjoyed this review, see you on WinUnleaked.tk"

- http://winunleaked.t...ate-build-8220/

People are allowed to form opinions about the product thus far and adjust their opinions once development progresses. That's what a discussion forum like Neowin is all about. What don't you understand about that? The quote you put down there is an opinion as well. So as long as they're positive towards Windows 8 it's fine, once they're not people need to "buzz off"? The real world doesn't work that way, even if you'd like them to.

[Anthonyd]

People are allowed to form opinions about the product thus far and adjust their opinions once development progresses. That's what a discussion forum like Neowin is all about. What don't you understand about that? The quote you put down there is an opinion as well. So as long as they're positive towards Windows 8 it's fine, once they're not people need to "buzz off"? The real world doesn't work that way, even if you'd like them to.

Still there are many "zomg metro sux" comments, who aren't constructive at all.

[remixedcat]

I'm actually excited about it as a sofa-os, nice and big apps on my living room tv, really nice with my Logitech k400 :)

same... great for HTPC and tablet, but needs a little work for the standard pc deal....

[Yusuf M. Veteran]

The new Start screen looks much better than the old one. Also, the little refinements that were made to the Aero UI are great. At first, I didn't really like the Metro-style interface. I think it's great for tablets and laptops with touch screens, but I felt it wasn't needed for traditional desktop PCs. I'm beginning to see things differently now. It took me awhile to realize that the Start screen offers a more efficient way of finding and organizing your apps.

I urge those that dislike the Metro-style interface to reevaluate it. If I can learn to like it, so can you.

[remixedcat]

I kinda like it but the icons and stuff are toooo biiiig LOLOLOL....

[PGHammer]

You can't upgrade from XP anyways, not even to Windows 7. Only clean installs so if you are making the move you'll have to start over fresh.

Which most users from any OS should do, to be honest.

The big reason that most users *hate* clean installs is because clean installs are still a big bother if you have a lot of data files, applications, etc. whose settings, files, etc. need to be backed up or re-created.

However, that chore can be lessened and backups can be made less painful if you follow the "Three Don'ts" of backups.

1. Don't backup files that are often updated (device drivers fall squarely into this category).

2. Don't backup software that is easily replaceable (especially via the Internet) - example - open-source applications and other software.

3. Don't backup to any source that requires anything NOT in category 1 or category 2! (For precisely this reason, backing up to flash drives, external USB drives and DVD media makes a ton more sense. 4GB flash drives are around $10, and specialist online-backup sites with similar capacities, such as Mozy and Carbonite, are often still free.)

[techguy77]

The new Start screen looks much better than the old one. Also, the little refinements that were made to the Aero UI are great. At first, I didn't really like the Metro-style interface. I think it's great for tablets and laptops with touch screens, but I felt it wasn't needed for traditional desktop PCs. I'm beginning to see things differently now. It took me awhile to realize that the Start screen offers a more efficient way of finding and organizing your apps.

I urge those that dislike the Metro-style interface to reevaluate it. If I can learn to like it, so can you.

You will never lunch app from metro as fast as i can do with single click from desktop shortcut. Why would i use Metro to jump back and forth, nonsense? Why desktop is not being used? Windows 8 shouldn't cost more than $50.

[lalalawawawa]

You don't like Metro, therefore you must be lying about having used the developer preview. Because when you actually tried it you'll love it. You either hate Metro because you haven't used it. Or you've used it and automatically love it. There are no other possibilities in existence, it's the one or the other. At least, that's what a lot of the fanboys keep telling us. ;)

I thought you were being serious. :D

[efjay]

You will never lunch app from metro as fast as i can do with single click from desktop shortcut. Why would i use Metro to jump back and forth, nonsense? Why desktop is not being used?

Wouldnt it be the same single click from the start screen when the application is pinned? One would assume when applications are built for Windows 8 they will give you an option to pin to start, so that should give the same speed of access as you would have using a traditional desktop shortcut.

[lunarworks]

Start Page screenshots

Ooooh... gradients! -_-

From bad to worse. If you're going to go minimalist, stay minimalist.

[firey]

Windows 8 really comes down to a "To Each Their Own". I am not afraid of change, infact I embrace it. I hate the same old same old, unless the new just doesn't cut it for me. Why should anyone be FORCED to like something? There are plenty of things in my life I don't like, and I shouldn't be hated on, or told I am wrong because I don't like something.

Hell, it's just like religion. If I told a highly religious person I was Atheist they would come down with the wrath of Jesus Jose McDermott. The same things happens here, instead of JJM, it's Metro. I don't like it, so all of a sudden I am wrong and should learn to like it, or I'm instantly someone who hates change.

I don't like Metro, I have used the Dev PREVIEW and I don't like scrolling across the screen. I don't like seeing 6-10 boxes filling up my display showing me a giant picture of a Gear, or whatever. I understand that some apps may benefit from Tiles, but frankly nothing I use a computer for would benefit from them, for me as a user a desktop that can hold 100+ shortcuts without needing to scroll is far better than a screen with a bunch of boxes that do the same thing but I need to scroll to see them all.

I don' t like not having the start menu, as I access the start menu multiple times a day. I have spent my time with what Windows 8 I have had access to, and for me Metro doesn't suit my needs, so why am I in the wrong for forming that opinion? Metro and Tiles are fully opinion based, and I wish MS would give us the choice to have that opinion and be able to act on it, instead of pushing it on us. That's my major complaint with Windows 8, and would likely be why I don't move to Windows 8.

[.Neo]

Still there are many "zomg metro sux" comments, who aren't constructive at all.

Yet I never heard any complaints when people simply post "I love Metro". We have a word for that: Hypocrisy. I agree with you though, if you're posting an opinion about something you should be able to explain why you feel a certain way.

I thought you were being serious. :D

LOL of course not. Some people around here are though.

[Jan Veteran]

One thing I don't like about Windows 8 so far is that it still looks and feels different to Windows Phone, all the tiles look different, animations are different, fonts are different, it just looks like a poor imitation.

[techguy77]

Wouldnt it be the same single click from the start screen when the application is pinned? One would assume when applications are built for Windows 8 they will give you an option to pin to start, so that should give the same speed of access as you would have using a traditional desktop shortcut.

No because Desktop is my main interface not Metro to start with. Metro is interface i don't need to interact with my PC. That is whole issue. The roles are somehow reversed. Once being reversed Metro is nothing but a way to break my work flow within Desktop and i can't deal with it. I completely understand MS need for Metro and it is great way to interact phone, tablet with end user but for God sake we don't need it on traditional PC.

[mrp04]

Look at all these whiners. Boo hoo. It's here to stay. Now either use it and shut up, stay on an old OS until it's obsolete, or switch to Mac or Linux. Metro is here to stay.

It's just a start menu. Stop whining about the start menu so much. You open it and type and press enter, same as it was in 7. If you launch a few things from the start menu, pin them to the leftmost part of the Metro start page. It really isn't that big of a difference if that's all you're going to use it for. Sure it will cover your whole screen for the whole 5 seconds you're in it, but so what?

SO many whiners.

[PGHammer]

The new Start screen looks much better than the old one. Also, the little refinements that were made to the Aero UI are great. At first, I didn't really like the Metro-style interface. I think it's great for tablets and laptops with touch screens, but I felt it wasn't needed for traditional desktop PCs. I'm beginning to see things differently now. It took me awhile to realize that the Start screen offers a more efficient way of finding and organizing your apps.

I urge those that dislike the Metro-style interface to reevaluate it. If I can learn to like it, so can you.

Thank you, Anaron!

Most of the detraction has come from folks that have gone entirely by screenshots (posted here and elsewhere) seen the resemblance to Windows Phone and run away screaming in fear.

I had most of the *same* concerns they have voiced - however, I reserved judgement until actually trying the WDP for myself.

I was surprised - in fact, quite shocked - to discover that my concerns about compatibility and productivity-loss (even with existing applications and existing non-touch-capable hardware) were completely overblown.

If anything, the desktop is MORE minimalist than Windows has been since the 95/NT4 era.

And that is - from what I've heard from the detractors via their comments - the real issue.

They like all the additions to the Start menu (almost all of which came since XP - either from Vista or 7) and got used to them being under their mouse wheel.

Since I don't use a lot of those same shortcuts (I don't use the Superbar at all any more), to me those same Start menu items (all of which are duplicated elsewhere, even in 7) have become so much clutter.

I loathe clutter - I did, in fact, move to a wireless USB keyboard and mouse to cut down on it with my desktop. (My desktop retains a wired connection because it connects to my router - and a wired connection remains the standard for router administration and firmware updates/replacement, The midtower case itself can be moved to my 42" FPTV in the bedroom (and I have a wireless, and USB, dongle for non-admin connectivity) - so the wires *can* be cut to a large extent, even on desktops. (That is also why I suggested something like Fences for the StartScreen - to address the StartScreen clutter issue.)

[Stoffel]

Windows 8 really comes down to a "To Each Their Own". I am not afraid of change, infact I embrace it. I hate the same old same old, unless the new just doesn't cut it for me. Why should anyone be FORCED to like something? There are plenty of things in my life I don't like, and I shouldn't be hated on, or told I am wrong because I don't like something.

Hell, it's just like religion. If I told a highly religious person I was Atheist they would come down with the wrath of Jesus Jose McDermott. The same things happens here, instead of JJM, it's Metro. I don't like it, so all of a sudden I am wrong and should learn to like it, or I'm instantly someone who hates change.

I don't like Metro, I have used the Dev PREVIEW and I don't like scrolling across the screen. I don't like seeing 6-10 boxes filling up my display showing me a giant picture of a Gear, or whatever. I understand that some apps may benefit from Tiles, but frankly nothing I use a computer for would benefit from them, for me as a user a desktop that can hold 100+ shortcuts without needing to scroll is far better than a screen with a bunch of boxes that do the same thing but I need to scroll to see them all.

I don' t like not having the start menu, as I access the start menu multiple times a day. I have spent my time with what Windows 8 I have had access to, and for me Metro doesn't suit my needs, so why am I in the wrong for forming that opinion? Metro and Tiles are fully opinion based, and I wish MS would give us the choice to have that opinion and be able to act on it, instead of pushing it on us. That's my major complaint with Windows 8, and would likely be why I don't move to Windows 8.

I don't think you are wrong for not liking Metro, but you should at least give it another chance once the CP comes out.

Lost has changed since then to make it easier on desktop users to use the Metro Start screen.

At least you gave us some arguments why you don't like Metro, what lots of people, including me, have an issue with is that so many people just say it sucks but not really want to give an argument of why they don't like it.

Why do you miss the start menu? You say you use it fairly often i'm just wondering why

[Stoffel]

No because Desktop is my main interface not Metro to start with. Metro is interface i don't need to interact with my PC. That is whole issue. The roles are somehow reversed. Once being reversed Metro is nothing but a way to break my work flow within Desktop and i can't deal with it. I completely understand MS need for Metro and it is great way to interact phone, tablet with end user but for God sake we don't need it on traditional PC.

YOU might not have need for Metro on the traditional PC. Sadly enough YOU are not the target audience for MS.

They are making the PC easier to use for the masses.

For the people who call themself power users of people who do development, there is still our good old desktop.

You might be surprised how much time you will spend in the Metro environment once you actually can access useful Metro Apps

[techguy77]

I don't think you are wrong for not liking Metro, but you should at least give it another chance once the CP comes out.

Lost has changed since then to make it easier on desktop users to use the Metro Start screen.

At least you gave us some arguments why you don't like Metro, what lots of people, including me, have an issue with is that so many people just say it sucks but not really want to give an argument of why they don't like it.

Why do you miss the start menu? You say you use it fairly often i'm just wondering why

I will tell you why.

My PC Desktop already has interface to interact with me and it is called Desktop. Why i need Metro to lunch app when i can do from a single click on shortcut placed on desktop? Why would they invent Metro to do such thing when i was already doing using shortcut on desktop.

Start Menu is a great way to explore all apps in one spot and at the same time not taking whole screen for such task. Metro makes no sense there.

Tablets and Phones don't have other way to interact with user therefore Metro or whatever else that might be would make sense. How would you feel if you had Metro interface on Phone and desktop interface coming into everytime you want to do something.

Why is everything so enlarged with Metro that even PC Settings with big fonts takes so much space that going more into depth of each setting will require extra steps.

Why MS decided to break work flow with Metro when i want to stay within Desktop.

And all this wouldn't matter if MS give us option to completely disable Metro and its UI elements, pretty much run Windows 7 interface.

[PGHammer]

No because Desktop is my main interface not Metro to start with. Metro is interface i don't need to interact with my PC. That is whole issue. The roles are somehow reversed. Once being reversed Metro is nothing but a way to break my work flow within Desktop and i can't deal with it. I completely understand MS need for Metro and it is great way to interact phone, tablet with end user but for God sake we don't need it on traditional PC.

Your real *interface*, if you can call it that, is the Start menu and all those additions post-XP. You've gotten used to those items being right under your mousewheel at all times - even though those same shortcuts are, in fact, duplicated elsewhere - even in Windows 7. That Start menu you're so proud of duplicates functionality found elsewhere in Windows (especially Control Panel). Here's a rather telling point - just about *all* those additions to the Start menu came with the much-despised Windows Vista - not XP or even 7.

Because I don't use a lot of those shortcuts that used to be in the Start menu (which has shrunk down to the XP/2000 format that it used to have), things are actually back to where they were in XP, if not earlier. Immersive is quite minimalist - the desktop itself reminds me more of Windows 95/NT4 than 7 - let alone Vista, or even XP.

That's what Metro/Immersive really is for those of us with traditional hardware - a return to the roots of Windows.