win8 If Metro Had Been An Apple Product...

[Ice_Blue]

Do you think the love/hate situation would have been reversed?

I.e., do you think the Metro haters, Apple fanboys and pro-Apple bloggers would have given it a better chance than they are doing now?

Would Apple had been given the benefit of the doubt by assuming that they have something great lined up, that will create a market where none existed, as with the iPad?

Especially if they had demoed the Surface a little while after demoing Metro?

[EVH5150]

You make it sound like Apple fanboys are the only ones that think Metro is garbage. As far as Apple fans view if it was made by Apple, well an old mod here once said that they could release a pile of dog feces and call it "iTurd" and Apple fanboys would still lap it up. So yeah, they would probably love it simply because it's from Apple.

As far as everyone else goes, I think Apple would get a bit more leeway than MS just simply because of their track record in the mobile space with iPhone and iPad. But really, ugly is ugly and to most people it doesn't matter if that ugly comes from MS, Apple, Google, or even Yahoo, ect... All they know is that it's ugly.

[Ice_Blue]

You make it sound like Apple fanboys are the only ones that think Metro is garbage.

No. I specifically mentioned Metro haters first. Metro haters of all persuasions other than Apple. Then I mentioned Apple.

[nominak]

Apple or MS. Metro is fine.

[Astra.Xtreme]

Wouldn't make a difference. Just as the Microsoft fanboys love Metro, the Apple fanboys would love it if Apple made it. Overall, it would still have a negative outcry.

But everybody that is capable of thinking for themselves would make their own decision.

I don't care whether it's Microsoft or Apple, I just don't see any advantage of Metro.

If Apple were to make the iMac a touchscreen and take away inputs for a keyboard and mouse, I don't think people would magically love it because Apple said so. It would **** people off across the board.

Love or hate a company, I believe most people can think for themselves.

[rfirth]

If Apple were to make the iMac a touchscreen and take away inputs for a keyboard and mouse, I don't think people would magically love it because Apple said so. It would **** people off across the board.

Microsoft didn't take away inputs for a keyboard and mouse... they made a secondary ecosystem to augment the desktop... an ecosystem of apps that do in fact support keyboard and mouse, but also don't replace the traditional desktop.

I have the equivalent of what you just said - an HP TouchSmart All-In-One with a 25 inch multitouch screen with Windows 8 installed. It supports multitouch, keyboard, and mouse... it's awesome. An Apple iMac with touch would be nice.

[Noir Angel]

Would it still have the same amount of apologists defending it's crapness? probably. Would it be any less crap? no.

[Eins.MY]

No I'm apple fans but growing tired with the same old OSX/iOS UI that remains unchanged for 5 years...I think Metro is good and beautiful

[Rippleman]

For me, i would say that IOS is basically metro (or is Metro IOS?) but different version of it.

The only place I see "fanboyism" is these neowin forums and its NEVER apple love. Its always seems to be Apple hate followed by MS love. I don't any know fan boys personally of any sort whether MS or apple, you all must know some strange people. Anyone I know uses a product for what it does, not who its made by. Remove them name and no one will care.

Like someone said above, if they took a Apple PC and did the same thing, people would be mad too.

[Scorbing]

Do you think the love/hate situation would have been reversed?

I.e., do you think the Metro haters, Apple fanboys and pro-Apple bloggers would have given it a better chance than they are doing now?

Would Apple had been given the benefit of the doubt by assuming that they have something great lined up, that will create a market where none existed, as with the iPad?

Especially if they had demoed the Surface a little while after demoing Metro?

Apple doesn't make ugly UI like that. They will never make something as horrid as that.

[Astra.Xtreme]

Microsoft didn't take away inputs for a keyboard and mouse... they made a secondary ecosystem to augment the desktop... an ecosystem of apps that do in fact support keyboard and mouse, but also don't replace the traditional desktop.

I have the equivalent of what you just said - an HP TouchSmart All-In-One with a 25 inch multitouch screen with Windows 8 installed. It supports multitouch, keyboard, and mouse... it's awesome. An Apple iMac with touch would be nice.

I never said Microsoft did that. It was just a separate example.

[Rudy]

I would hate it just as much

[.Neo]

Apple would have never added Metro - it its current state - to their desktop operating system, phones and tablets only. You'll see Metro influences back on the desktop like its animations for example or the way text is handled. Just imagine Windows getting the same treatment as OS X got. Only instead of drawing from iOS, it would come from Windows Phone.

That's it.

[BajiRav]

Apple doesn't make ugly UI like that. They will never make something as horrid as that.

iOS gamecenter and ML calendar come to mind...

(although metro isn't ugly IMO)

[thealexweb]

It would be met with less sceptism at this point as the actual mainstream public hasn't seen it yet at all yet, in six months time however it'll be drawing as many WTFs in shops as tectards go to buy their new PC and are greeted with Metro galore in PC world.

[.Neo]

iOS gamecenter and ML calendar come to mind...

Apple removed the faux stitching OS X Lion's iCal has from OS X Mountain Lion's Calendar app. Looks much better and I like it now. Game Center is over the top, I agree.

[BajiRav]

Apple removed the faux stitching OS X Lion's iCal has from OS X Mountain Lion's Calendar app. Looks much better and I like it now. Game Center is over the top, I agree.

yikes, I meant to say Lion. :blush:

[OOOOOOOO]

I need to point out something...

Metro would NEVER have been an Apple development.

[.Neo]

yikes, I meant to say Lion. :blush:

Well, it's still faux leather in OS X Mountain Lion. The removal of the stitching makes the toolbar smaller and a lot less busy. Kinda sad to see the cool animations go though.

[BajiRav]

I need to point out something...

Metro would NEVER have been an Apple development.

metro as it stands in Windows 8 (controversial) or as it is in WP, ZuneHD, Xbox (universally praised)

[myxomatosis]

Would hate it as much as I hate it right now... I've been a Windows user since Windows 3.1, always been excited to install a new Windows version, and always loved Windows.... until Microsoft decided they would force Metro on desktop computers.

Because of this decision, for the FIRST time in ~20 years, I'm not excited about a Windows launch at all... and I bought a MacBook Pro Retina...

I just can't imagine myself using this tablet OS on my desktop computer for the 5 next years. Tried it for a month, it's not for me. It doesn't work for me, it's not what I call an efficient UI.

Forcing Metro to run on a desktop computer is like forcing iOS to run on a MacBook?! It doesn't make sense at all...

So Microsoft or Apple isn't important in the end. If it's bad, it's bad, and I look elsewhere.

[.Neo]

So Microsoft or Apple isn't important in the end. If it's bad, it's bad, and I look elsewhere.

Couldn't agree more! As such I'll be dumping OS X Mountain Lion and switch to Windows 8!

LOL :laugh:

Sorry, just couldn't keep a straight face while I said that.

[myxomatosis]

Couldn't agree more! As such I'll be dumping OS X Mountain Lion and switch to Windows 8!

LOL :laugh:

Sorry, just couldn't keep a straight face while I said that.

That's why it's important to have alternatives ;) Personaly, I hate Windows 8 because of the Metro part. If you're happy with it and fed up of Mac OS X, go for it and enjoy! :p

[Gaffney]

I don't understand why people don't like metro. It's clean, fast, scalable and future proof. Amazing how people don't consider upgrading simply because they replaced a start button with a start screen that is better in every way and added capability for apps and added more touch support. Windows 8 is nicer and a lot faster than windows 7 in the desktop environment as well.

I like customization and integration with other platforms. Windows 8 more more customizable than Windows 7 and goes well with my WP7 and Xbox so it's an easy decision for me.

Also I find it funny that a few of the people who dislike Metro say they have a MacBook Pro Retina and not just a 2012 MacBook. Got to show off that totally pointless nothing special feature. It's just another $2000 laptop but with OSX on it.

[EVH5150]

metro as it stands in Windows 8 (controversial) or as it is in WP, ZuneHD, Xbox (universally praised)

Universally praised? Lots of people HATE the look of of xbox with Metro. Just go on other gaming forums and you'll see constant complaints about what a mess it is and how hard it is to navigate. Not to mention how ugly it is. WP7 and Zune have such an insignificant market share that yeah, most of their users seem to love it. But I'd say you're not going to buy WP7 if you don't like Metro. Sales numbers say that's not a lot of people.

So yeah, maybe universally loved on Neowin, but it's a bunch of Metro fanboys here. If you go to other sites, even non tech related ones, you'll see most people hate it and think Win8 is going to bomb big time.